Comments on: Restricting Rights at Guantanamo, who will be next? http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/ Concordia res Parvae Crescunt Wed, 16 May 2012 14:50:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: Torture, Habeas Corpus and the Constitution | Tenth Amendment Center http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-255506 Torture, Habeas Corpus and the Constitution | Tenth Amendment Center Mon, 11 May 2009 07:38:17 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-255506 [...] Here’s how I explained it in an article from 2007: [...] [...] Here’s how I explained it in an article from 2007: [...]

]]> By: War, Atrocities, Jurisdiction and Habeas Corpus » Tenth Amendment Center http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3958 War, Atrocities, Jurisdiction and Habeas Corpus » Tenth Amendment Center Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:10:03 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-3958 [...] In a recent article on Habeas Corpus, it was shown that the 10th Amendment prevented the federal government from suspending Habeas. Why? Because the Constitution only allows for its suspension in very limited situations. Article I, Section 9 spells this out quite clearly: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. [...] [...] In a recent article on Habeas Corpus, it was shown that the 10th Amendment prevented the federal government from suspending Habeas. Why? Because the Constitution only allows for its suspension in very limited situations. Article I, Section 9 spells this out quite clearly: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. [...]

]]> By: Ajoy Bhatia http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Ajoy Bhatia Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:31:34 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-79 I salute you for being a true American patriot. My view point is that kidnapping people from their homes in the night, whisking them off to unknown locations and locking them up without access to an attorney, a court of law or a fair trial used to be things that used to happen in regimes identified as criminal by these same defenders of the Federal government's power to strip away our rights. Since when did those who do this become the good guys? (Not referring to the electronics store :-) I salute you for being a true American patriot. My view point is that kidnapping people from their homes in the night, whisking them off to unknown locations and locking them up without access to an attorney, a court of law or a fair trial used to be things that used to happen in regimes identified as criminal by these same defenders of the Federal government’s power to strip away our rights. Since when did those who do this become the good guys? (Not referring to the electronics store :-)

]]> By: j http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-77 j Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:35:45 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-77 Great article. I'm amazed at the number of fascists who read it and choose to respond with the same 'ol "you critisize the actions of this administration and therefore must be in league with the terrorists" argument. Let me try to clarify this a little so their little brains can process it. The reason we have due process and the guarantees written in the Bill of Rights is so that we can determine exactly <strong>who</strong> are terrorists and who are merely innocent bystanders. If a criminal was hiding in some US town we wouldn't simply arrest everyone in the town. Although this would certainly enable us to capture said individual rather quickly and efficiently, it would not be legal under the constitution. The reason our Founding Fathers placed limits on the government was because they understood how easily power corrupts. They also wanted to limit the power of the people because they understood how irrational a mob could be. There are a lot of individuals in this country right now who would be grateful to see every one with dark skin and a funny accent locked up because it would make them feel a little safer. I can only respond by quoting Ben Franklin: "Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither." How true those words ring today. Thanks for the article and keep fighting the good fight! Great article. I’m amazed at the number of fascists who read it and choose to respond with the same ‘ol “you critisize the actions of this administration and therefore must be in league with the terrorists” argument. Let me try to clarify this a little so their little brains can process it. The reason we have due process and the guarantees written in the Bill of Rights is so that we can determine exactly who are terrorists and who are merely innocent bystanders. If a criminal was hiding in some US town we wouldn’t simply arrest everyone in the town. Although this would certainly enable us to capture said individual rather quickly and efficiently, it would not be legal under the constitution. The reason our Founding Fathers placed limits on the government was because they understood how easily power corrupts. They also wanted to limit the power of the people because they understood how irrational a mob could be. There are a lot of individuals in this country right now who would be grateful to see every one with dark skin and a funny accent locked up because it would make them feel a little safer. I can only respond by quoting Ben Franklin: “Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither.” How true those words ring today. Thanks for the article and keep fighting the good fight!

]]> By: Jimmy http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Jimmy Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:48:30 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-76 This administration is restricting the rights of what they call "terrorists" because they do not want the added embarrassment of showing who these people really are. More than 95% of the detainees have been captured by the so called "Northern Alliance", the same group that the Bush Administration used as a front for their war in Afghanistan, portraying them as the "normal" Afghanis whom they are going there to free from the Taliban ruling. The Northern Alliance soldiers have captured these foreigners, along with and locals whom they had grudges or vendettas against, and sold them to the US military under the guise of terrorists for $25,000 a person. Some of these detainees are university professors for example who have been picked up off the streets just because they fit the bill of a person who can be smeared with a foreign terrorists label. Now any trial held for any of these detainees will show this sad and ugly reality adding to the administrations embarrassments in what they termed the "War Against Terror". Thus enter the era of sellout Attorney Generals, two so far and counting, who are willing to bend anything for the Bush administrations benefits. America is turning under the Bush's administration to one of those countries who they are saying that they are spreading "freedom" and "democracy" in. Now who will save these values to the citizens of this country? This administration is restricting the rights of what they call “terrorists” because they do not want the added embarrassment of showing who these people really are. More than 95% of the detainees have been captured by the so called “Northern Alliance”, the same group that the Bush Administration used as a front for their war in Afghanistan, portraying them as the “normal” Afghanis whom they are going there to free from the Taliban ruling. The Northern Alliance soldiers have captured these foreigners, along with and locals whom they had grudges or vendettas against, and sold them to the US military under the guise of terrorists for $25,000 a person. Some of these detainees are university professors for example who have been picked up off the streets just because they fit the bill of a person who can be smeared with a foreign terrorists label.
Now any trial held for any of these detainees will show this sad and ugly reality adding to the administrations embarrassments in what they termed the “War Against Terror”.
Thus enter the era of sellout Attorney Generals, two so far and counting, who are willing to bend anything for the Bush administrations benefits.
America is turning under the Bush’s administration to one of those countries who they are saying that they are spreading “freedom” and “democracy” in. Now who will save these values to the citizens of this country?

]]> By: Tenth Amendment http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Tenth Amendment Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:34:04 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-75 J Walsh's comment is a great example of how people who hate freedom make fun of any demands for justice - it's disgusting how these people react. <em> "We are holding some detainees for extended periods without due process."</em> Belitting the reality doesn't change the evils our government is perpetrating in YOUR name - and thus, making you a target for future retribution. People have already been held for years - and we are told they'll be held until the "war on terror" is over. Haven't they said this is going to last "generations"?? Therefore, these people are going to be held for life. That's real funny, isn't it? <em>My god what barbarians we are! </em> Taking people from their homeland, jailing them for life, and often-times torturing them <strong>IS </strong>barbaric. J Walsh’s comment is a great example of how people who hate freedom make fun of any demands for justice – it’s disgusting how these people react.

“We are holding some detainees for extended periods without due process.”

Belitting the reality doesn’t change the evils our government is perpetrating in YOUR name – and thus, making you a target for future retribution.

People have already been held for years – and we are told they’ll be held until the “war on terror” is over. Haven’t they said this is going to last “generations”?? Therefore, these people are going to be held for life. That’s real funny, isn’t it?

My god what barbarians we are!

Taking people from their homeland, jailing them for life, and often-times torturing them IS barbaric.

]]> By: j walsh http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-74 j walsh Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:24:56 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-74 We are holding some detainees for extended periods without due process. My god what barbarians we are! Next thing you know we'll be suicide bombing people!! We are holding some detainees for extended periods without due process. My god what barbarians we are! Next thing you know we’ll be suicide bombing people!!

]]> By: Tenth Amendment http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-73 Tenth Amendment Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:23:19 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-73 Ah, yes, the Hate America crowd has stopped by once again. Some of us love this country. We love what America stands for – that individual liberty is more important than the goals of government. We love the freedoms that all people are born with – speech, self-defense and much more. We love the Bill of Rights and the rule of law. We love that all people have the right to face their accusers, remain silent, and be represented by an attorney. These, and much more, are what makes America – and what makes something that’s unique to the history of the entire world. But, some people HATE America and everything she stands for. They are so willing to throw away these concepts, freedoms and rights – just to satisfy a thirst for war and a lust for revenge – or a love of power. They’re willing to give up our inalienable rights – and give the government the power to do anything it wants to do. These people claim to love America, but their actions show an utter disdain and hatred for everything America stands for. So stand up for America and YOUR liberty – before the politicians take away the rest of our freedoms. Ah, yes, the Hate America crowd has stopped by once again.

Some of us love this country. We love what America stands for – that individual liberty is more important than the goals of government.

We love the freedoms that all people are born with – speech, self-defense and much more.

We love the Bill of Rights and the rule of law. We love that all people have the right to face their accusers, remain silent, and be represented by an attorney.

These, and much more, are what makes America – and what makes something that’s unique to the history of the entire world.

But, some people HATE America and everything she stands for.

They are so willing to throw away these concepts, freedoms and rights – just to satisfy a thirst for war and a lust for revenge – or a love of power.

They’re willing to give up our inalienable rights – and give the government the power to do anything it wants to do.

These people claim to love America, but their actions show an utter disdain and hatred for everything America stands for.

So stand up for America and YOUR liberty – before the politicians take away the rest of our freedoms.

]]> By: W.D. Potts http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-72 W.D. Potts Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:11:34 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-72 You can wring your ignorant liberal hands all you want; protest this and be outraged by that; claim you're a red-blooded American patriot, yada-yada-yada. But when all's said and done, you do not have one iota of a clue when it comes to the real world. It's not about how things should be. Or how most of us desire them to be. It's about the realities we face day to day. While our government tries to cope with our current greatest threat (Muslim fanaticism/terrorism), you blindered liberals spend your time nitpicking away, espousing such idiotic ideas as habeas corpus, access to U.S. courts, free attorneys and the protections of our Constitution to some of the scummiest and guiltiest people on the face of the earth. "If they can do it to Achmed down at Gitmo, their next step, obviously, will be to come after you and your family." Yet if our government did not take a proactive approach to defending America, and the Muslim fanatics succeeded in murdering some of your family members, your neighbors or even perfect strangers, you'd be the first in line to hold their feet to the fire for being asleep at the wheel, incompetent, uncaring, inept, etc. You're hopeless. And extremely pitiful. <em><strong>See Response below </strong></em> You can wring your ignorant liberal hands all you want; protest this and be outraged by that; claim you’re a red-blooded American patriot, yada-yada-yada. But when all’s said and done, you do not have one iota of a clue when it comes to the real world. It’s not about how things should be. Or how most of us desire them to be. It’s about the realities we face day to day. While our government tries to cope with our current greatest threat (Muslim fanaticism/terrorism), you blindered liberals spend your time nitpicking away, espousing such idiotic ideas as habeas corpus, access to U.S. courts, free attorneys and the protections of our Constitution to some of the scummiest and guiltiest people on the face of the earth. “If they can do it to Achmed down at Gitmo, their next step, obviously, will be to come after you and your family.” Yet if our government did not take a proactive approach to defending America, and the Muslim fanatics succeeded in murdering some of your family members, your neighbors or even perfect strangers, you’d be the first in line to hold their feet to the fire for being asleep at the wheel, incompetent, uncaring, inept, etc.
You’re hopeless. And extremely pitiful.

See Response below 

]]> By: Tenth Amendment http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/comment-page-1/#comment-70 Tenth Amendment Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:27:50 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who%e2%80%99s-next/#comment-70 Here's a textbook example of how the enemies of freedom try to whip us into supporting an expansion of power and the elimination of rights. It's obviously not well-founded, but worth a quick look. <em>1. you seem to forget that we are at war</em> How that can be forgotten by anyone is absurd! But, as made quite clear in the article above - the Constitution doesn't make any exceptions for being "at war" If it did, all that despots would need to do to take away YOUR rights would be to start a war and then say - "well, we're at war, I HAVE to do it to protect people!" Wait, that sounds familiar! <em>2. we are not the ones that have chosen to hide among the civilian population and wage unchecked atrocities</em> If anyone made the claim that YOU did do these things, you would need the right to defend yourself and maintain your innocence. <em>3. you seem so concerned about the rights of terrorist who are trying to destroy the very democracy that you are trying to use to protect them</em> The concern is for the liberty of ALL people. To repeat - until due process has been served, we DO NOT KNOW that these detainees have done anything you've mentioned. Well, unless you've got some inside information. How could that be, unless you worked for the government? <em>4. and in the process you have decided that their rights as terrorist, not citizens of this country, is more important than bringing to justice those that helped topple the twin towers in n.y.</em> All people have the same rights - as people. Again, you've convicted them of being a "terrorist" and of "toppling the twin towers" If they're guilty, it'll be EASY to convict them of these crimes. It's more likely that the government CAN'T prove their guilt, and that's why they refuse to bring trial, or even charges for that matter. <em>5. where is the cry of outrage from you for all the murdering and butchery that these people have committed</em> There IS a cry to catch, try, and prosecute these criminals. But the politicians running this government have NO interest in this whatsoever. They just want to wage war in Iraq, kill civilians in Afghanistan, and where does that get us? Nowhere. <em>6. god help us all if you had been around during the second world war we'd all be speaking german or japanese now!</em> This is the most absurd, and it's hard to believe that people still parrot this nonsense. The Japanese were able to pull off a "surprise" attack (although that's debatable), and no one could seriously think that they could conquer and control a nation in the hundreds of millions. The germans couldn’t even cross the english channel to invade england, let alone cross the atlantic ocean to invade the United States! Here’s a textbook example of how the enemies of freedom try to whip us into supporting an expansion of power and the elimination of rights. It’s obviously not well-founded, but worth a quick look.

1. you seem to forget that we are at war

How that can be forgotten by anyone is absurd! But, as made quite clear in the article above – the Constitution doesn’t make any exceptions for being “at war” If it did, all that despots would need to do to take away YOUR rights would be to start a war and then say – “well, we’re at war, I HAVE to do it to protect people!” Wait, that sounds familiar!

2. we are not the ones that have chosen to hide among the civilian population and wage unchecked atrocities

If anyone made the claim that YOU did do these things, you would need the right to defend yourself and maintain your innocence.

3. you seem so concerned about the rights of terrorist who are trying to destroy the very democracy that you are trying to use to protect them

The concern is for the liberty of ALL people. To repeat – until due process has been served, we DO NOT KNOW that these detainees have done anything you’ve mentioned. Well, unless you’ve got some inside information. How could that be, unless you worked for the government?

4. and in the process you have decided that their rights as terrorist, not citizens of this country, is more important than bringing to justice those that helped topple the twin towers in n.y.

All people have the same rights – as people. Again, you’ve convicted them of being a “terrorist” and of “toppling the twin towers” If they’re guilty, it’ll be EASY to convict them of these crimes. It’s more likely that the government CAN’T prove their guilt, and that’s why they refuse to bring trial, or even charges for that matter.

5. where is the cry of outrage from you for all the murdering and butchery that these people have committed

There IS a cry to catch, try, and prosecute these criminals. But the politicians running this government have NO interest in this whatsoever. They just want to wage war in Iraq, kill civilians in Afghanistan, and where does that get us? Nowhere.

6. god help us all if you had been around during the second world war we’d all be speaking german or japanese now!

This is the most absurd, and it’s hard to believe that people still parrot this nonsense. The Japanese were able to pull off a “surprise” attack (although that’s debatable), and no one could seriously think that they could conquer and control a nation in the hundreds of millions. The germans couldn’t even cross the english channel to invade england, let alone cross the atlantic ocean to invade the United States!

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