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Joshua A. Schaeffer
Joshua A. Schaeffer

If the states withhold tax money, so what? The federal reserve will print money anyway, which nobody can refuse due to legal tender laws. So the states will also have to affirm that federal currency cannot be legal tender because the federal government cannot declare anything a legal tender. There's a lot of string to untangle.

At some point you have to just say, fuck it, let's call a convention.

B. Johnson
B. Johnson

It dawned on me that when the citizens of 35 more states wake up to illegal federal taxes and start lighting fires under their respective state lawmakers to make legislation like the Federal Tax Funds Acts mentioned in this blog, then the following can happen. There will be enough states to make an amendment to the Constitution to repeal the ill-conceived, anti-state sovereignty 16th Amendment which will get rid of direct federal taxes. This will make it more difficult for the corrupt Congress to lay illegal taxes like Obamacare-related taxes.

Monorprise
Monorprise

The Georgia law's clause: "50-37-10.
This chapter shall apply to federal taxes collected after the date on which this chapter takes effect, and, because the 'Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land,' [emphasis added], this article shall be enforced retroactively to repeal any unconstitutional federal mandates that have been imposed on the state."

Should to be included in every State's bill as the explicitly defined justification, this is a law of the United States, as Georgia is one of the United States, just as this law which is to enforce the supremacy Constitution of the United States over the unauthorized acts of Congress.

It is important that theses laws be placed into their proper context of ENFORCING the U.S. Constitution, as demanded by the same Constitution and recommended by the federalist papers.

That theses States are NOT in rebellion but rather congress is in rebellion against it's Constitutional limitations.

Angelle Lord
Angelle Lord

Thank you so much for providing such helpful information! I am a "tea bagger" from rural Louisiana and we "have troops on the ground" here, but need the type of understanding you are providing in order to go forward legally. Your work is essential to our progressing into full state sovereignty....please keep up the good work!

TxTenther
TxTenther

"The essential question, of course, will the people and their state governments have enough courage to push forward anyway? Only time will tell."

We already know the answer to that question.

And yes Mr. Boldin, some of us do have some ideas. Mine is to work from the ground up, take over enough state legislatures to call and control a Constitutional Convention, and take back our freedom.

The 2005 decision should tell us all that the Supreme Court isn't interested in state sovereignty.

Pat
Pat

The danger of a constitutional convention is that it could be used to throw out the excellent Constitution that our founders wrote. We must use other means.

Monorprise
Monorprise

I think a simpler perhaps not quite as fully effective measure that could be taken, is to simply start out with the State collecting all of the individual people's income taxes removing all of the individual information then shipping the lumb sum off to the Federal government.

The propose of which being to deprive the Federal government of the ability to uses the Income tax code against individual for anything other then simply raising revenue, as only the State would know weather or not you individually payed and how much, as well as what deductions you took.

Of course the State government would then have to either take responsibility for enforcing the Constitutional parts of the federal tax code itself(more than worth it in the long run) or simply be more selective about what information they alow to get passed on to the Federal government, say the State simply strips out the Health-care information.

Either way i think that simple measure to protect the rights of the individual people from federal usurpation is MORE then worth it!
At the very least it would be a important stepping block for the state to later uses the same program to retaliate against federal usurpation of it's people's right to govern themselves thou the state.

DerekSheriff
DerekSheriff

I just emailed my state senator and state representatives asking them to please introduce this legislation in the Arizona legislature. All 3 of them were sponsors of every nullification bill in AZ so far. Hope they will respond!

B. Johnson
B. Johnson

Note that the ill-conceived 16th Amendment, where state lawmakers unthinkingly gave Congress the power to tax citizens directly, made it easier for corrupt Congress to lay constitutionally unauthorized taxes on citizens. This is especially the case since citizens and their elected representatives in both federal and state legislatures evidently no longer understand or respect state sovereignty.

Chief Justice Marshall put it this way concerning Congress's limited power to lay taxes.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN, 1824. http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html

Nevada Coyote
Nevada Coyote

I am glad a few states have considered appropriating IRS money and delegating a portion to the Fed Gov.
If you really want to control the federal government and it's minions Repeal the 17th amendment. Thereby regaining control of our senators and congressmen.
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arjis
arjis

I agree with this statement. This is huge in the fact that the state lost a very important and effective point of representation in DC. By the States General Assemblies electing or appointing its senators to Congress, the State Government would have a more representative voice in what legislation is passed and how it will effect their respective states. By electing senators in general elections, as a congressman is, you have reduced the effectiveness of the office by eliminated another designed check and balance mechanism.

@twitimbo
@twitimbo

The best way to control them is through the pocket book.

Aaron Abdis
Aaron Abdis

This is an excellent article and point. I didn't realize Washington state had also considered the tax escrow idea in addition to working on nullifying federal health care intrusions into their state. Who would've thought such legislation would come out of such a Democrat state?! It seems the people and states are finally waking up!

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

There's some good people in WA - on both the left AND the right. The key is to get the mindless DC lovers on both sides to realize that most issues are best dealt with close to home.

@twitimbo
@twitimbo

I actually think that a lot of people on the left will support the power of the tenth amendment once show how powerful it can be to get the things they want done with it. There is no need for deception. We can just point out the power of federalism for advancing one of their causes and disagree with their cause at the same time.

@twitimbo
@twitimbo

I think any law that does this will have to be carefully constructed in such a way that it would be legal to send the money to the state first instead of the IRS. Perhaps the state law can decree that the state will pay the income tax for each citizen thus putting itself in the role of payer to the IRS. The state will then collect what every they payed from the citizen themselves.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

any ideas? I doubt that the feds would ever give "permission" to do such a thing....do you?

TonyAugust
TonyAugust

The idea that taxes on the individual American are billed to the states is in perfect harmony with the constitution - art 1, sec 9, cl 4, and it is a thoroughly American way to do it. Only in a monarchy does every "subject" answer directly to the general government. The idea that every American must report all earnings, resulting from the conduct of their personal affairs, to the federal government is outrageous and was at no time contemplated by the founders - so far as I can find. The only time an American should find themselves in a personal relationship with the federal government, and thus personally liable for payment of federal tax, is when they become the recipient of a federal benefit, i.e.: federal employment; incorporation under US law; federal occupational license; social security or other welfare program, or if they are residing in a territory or federal enclave under the exclusive legislative jurisdiction of the United States government. Perhaps the greatest liberty secured by the constitution is our right to conduct our personal affairs in quiet anonymity, free from government intrusion. If the federal government will not perform it's assigned duty to secure the blessings of liberty, then the states must interpose to do so.

Chad
Chad

Sovereigns need not to ask for permission... and the states are sovereign in anything they have not specifically delegated to the federal government.

Strider55
Strider55

I've had several people here contact me (strider1955@gmail.com) asking for the document I compiled back in 1999 on this subject. Looks like our efforts are bearing some fruit. This is great news!

Escapee
Escapee

What is so wrong with Article I of the U.S. Constitution? Can any of you show, chapter and verse, where it was repealed, modified, or annulled? (Parallel legislation regarding other subjects does not count as an answer.)

B. Johnson
B. Johnson

I think that the eight justices nominated by Constitution-ignoring FDR by the early 1940s scandalously repealed Article V and the 10th Amendment from the bench. These justices did so by perverting the Founder's intentions for the general welfare and commerce clauses, IMO, so that Congress could bypass Article V for the new powers it wanted.

In fact, the Wickard v. Filburn opinion contains the following statement about state sovereignty, the most watered-down reference to state sovereignty that I've seen.

"In discussion and decision, the point of reference, instead of being what was "necessary and proper" to the exercise by Congress of its granted power, was often some concept of sovereignty thought to be implicit in the status of statehood." --Justice Jackson(?), Wickard v. Filburn, 1942. http://supreme.justia.com/us/317/111/case.html

The above statement treats state sovereignty as mere rumor, IMO.

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