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	<title>Comments on: MSNBC: Clueless about the 10th Amendment Again</title>
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		<title>By: Derek Sheriff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Sheriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron and Bryce,

Iâ€™m just a informed layperson, but this point seems to hold a lot of potential for persuading many people. I wonder why I havenâ€™t heard it used more often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron and Bryce,</p>
<p>Iâ€™m just a informed layperson, but this point seems to hold a lot of potential for persuading many people. I wonder why I havenâ€™t heard it used more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Shonka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Shonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron,

I looked into it and armed with some scholarly advice I can tell you that your point is valid indeed. The Bill of Rights AMEND the previously written constitution, including Article I section 8, which is being used as a justification for much that currently flies in the face of the constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>I looked into it and armed with some scholarly advice I can tell you that your point is valid indeed. The Bill of Rights AMEND the previously written constitution, including Article I section 8, which is being used as a justification for much that currently flies in the face of the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent banter! However, banter is not going to fix the problems that America faces at this point in history. Politicians, lawyers, government burearcrats have so perverted our constitution to a point that we can no longer control them. Obama said no more taxes for those under $250,000 per year. Our government will pass a socialist health care bill that will require every taxpayer to buy health insurance or get fined. Obama will get our money one way or another.

We need 33 state legislatures to demand a constitution convention. We need a 28th amendment that gives a 1 term limit on the house, the senate, and the president-6 years would by my choice. Ladies and gentlemen, if we donâ€™t do this soon, our federal government will become so large and powerfull that it will be impossible to do it later.

The time for talking about fixing our government is over. ITâ€™S TIME TO FIX IT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent banter! However, banter is not going to fix the problems that America faces at this point in history. Politicians, lawyers, government burearcrats have so perverted our constitution to a point that we can no longer control them. Obama said no more taxes for those under $250,000 per year. Our government will pass a socialist health care bill that will require every taxpayer to buy health insurance or get fined. Obama will get our money one way or another.</p>
<p>We need 33 state legislatures to demand a constitution convention. We need a 28th amendment that gives a 1 term limit on the house, the senate, and the president-6 years would by my choice. Ladies and gentlemen, if we donâ€™t do this soon, our federal government will become so large and powerfull that it will be impossible to do it later.</p>
<p>The time for talking about fixing our government is over. ITâ€™S TIME TO FIX IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Shonka</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/13/msnbc-clueless-about-the-10th-amendment-again/comment-page-1/#comment-282427</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Shonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron, those are excellent points, though there is one hole in the chronology argument
that I can&#039;t think of off the top of my head.  Anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, those are excellent points, though there is one hole in the chronology argument<br />
that I can&#8217;t think of off the top of my head.  Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can barely stand to watch MSNBC&#039;s statist garbage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can barely stand to watch MSNBC&#8217;s statist garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Roberts</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/13/msnbc-clueless-about-the-10th-amendment-again/comment-page-1/#comment-282243</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points Michael. This is a movement back to the Constitution. And as advocates for state sovereignty, we should stand firm on the principles here and, as you did, remind anyone that will listen about the history of the 10th and itâ€™s true intention from the founderâ€™s perspective. And, how the 10th embraces differences between states by allowing a more local government; but significantly limits the power of the federal government in Washington to intrude on peopleâ€™s liver 100s and 1000s of miles away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Michael. This is a movement back to the Constitution. And as advocates for state sovereignty, we should stand firm on the principles here and, as you did, remind anyone that will listen about the history of the 10th and itâ€™s true intention from the founderâ€™s perspective. And, how the 10th embraces differences between states by allowing a more local government; but significantly limits the power of the federal government in Washington to intrude on peopleâ€™s liver 100s and 1000s of miles away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thereâ€™s an important consideration that I havenâ€™t seen elsewhere yet. Only for the sake of the argument, letâ€™s assume that the media are correct about Article 1, Section 8 granting broad powers to â€¦â€™provide for the general welfareâ€¦â€. This clause is a part of the original Constitution of the United States and remains in full force as the absolute settled law of the land â€“ unless Constitutionally amended. The 10th Amendment, enacted Constitutionally and later than the original document, AMENDS the original document. Therefore, the clear statement of the 10th Amendment trumps the ambiguities of Article 1, Section 8, because the Article has now been amended. The argument from the left seems to say that itâ€™s the other way around. That would be like saying that the 21st Amendment has no effect because of the 18th Amendment. In reality, the 21st Amendment amends (by nullification) the 18th Amendment, just as the 10th Amendment amends Article 1, Section 8. Just remember â€“ the Amendment AMENDED the original document.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thereâ€™s an important consideration that I havenâ€™t seen elsewhere yet. Only for the sake of the argument, letâ€™s assume that the media are correct about Article 1, Section 8 granting broad powers to â€¦â€™provide for the general welfareâ€¦â€. This clause is a part of the original Constitution of the United States and remains in full force as the absolute settled law of the land â€“ unless Constitutionally amended. The 10th Amendment, enacted Constitutionally and later than the original document, AMENDS the original document. Therefore, the clear statement of the 10th Amendment trumps the ambiguities of Article 1, Section 8, because the Article has now been amended. The argument from the left seems to say that itâ€™s the other way around. That would be like saying that the 21st Amendment has no effect because of the 18th Amendment. In reality, the 21st Amendment amends (by nullification) the 18th Amendment, just as the 10th Amendment amends Article 1, Section 8. Just remember â€“ the Amendment AMENDED the original document.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God hate MSNBC and the rest of the mainstream selloutsâ€¦ this is why I donâ€™t own a tv..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God hate MSNBC and the rest of the mainstream selloutsâ€¦ this is why I donâ€™t own a tv..</p>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is clear that we need to spend more time attacking the U.S. Supreme courtâ€™s supposed exclusive right to interpret the constitution to the exclusion of the people and their states. Not to mention itâ€™s clearly written words.

They will accuse us of advocating anarchy, and we will accuse them to advocating dictatorship not upholding any written and consented to Constitutional law.

Tell them the U.S. Supreme court is but one side in a dispute of powers and rights, ceded to them by the States, A biased side which cannot be held as the just definer of winners and losers anymore then an opposing team can allowed to interpret the rules as they go. If there is any superior party here in which to resolve the dispute, it is and must be that party which originally granted the rights and powers in dispute in the first place, the people thou their States.

To say otherwise is to bind both the people and their state to an essentially unconditional union with an essentially unlimited (un-constitutional) grant of powers over them to the compete exclusion of their individual and State rights.

Tell me how is it that after having just fought a revolution to withdraw from the British union who had abused such rights, that we could possibly be persuaded to enter anther such unconditional and unlimited union?

Constitutional limited government and the right to resist such unconstitutional government (as we can clearly see for ourselves) and even if and when we feel it necessary secede from its control as a measure of that resistance is an essential natural right! We cannot and could not exist as a free people without it!

So the fact is we couldnâ€™t have given up such an essential natural right to allow the Federal government to itself be the soul and exclusive definer of the extent of itâ€™s own powers. Because even if we did in ratifying the Constitution, through fear, fraud or mistake, as John Adams early had put it with regard to the British constitution and Rights of the Colonists:
â€œIf men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.â€ â€“ John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that we need to spend more time attacking the U.S. Supreme courtâ€™s supposed exclusive right to interpret the constitution to the exclusion of the people and their states. Not to mention itâ€™s clearly written words.</p>
<p>They will accuse us of advocating anarchy, and we will accuse them to advocating dictatorship not upholding any written and consented to Constitutional law.</p>
<p>Tell them the U.S. Supreme court is but one side in a dispute of powers and rights, ceded to them by the States, A biased side which cannot be held as the just definer of winners and losers anymore then an opposing team can allowed to interpret the rules as they go. If there is any superior party here in which to resolve the dispute, it is and must be that party which originally granted the rights and powers in dispute in the first place, the people thou their States.</p>
<p>To say otherwise is to bind both the people and their state to an essentially unconditional union with an essentially unlimited (un-constitutional) grant of powers over them to the compete exclusion of their individual and State rights.</p>
<p>Tell me how is it that after having just fought a revolution to withdraw from the British union who had abused such rights, that we could possibly be persuaded to enter anther such unconditional and unlimited union?</p>
<p>Constitutional limited government and the right to resist such unconstitutional government (as we can clearly see for ourselves) and even if and when we feel it necessary secede from its control as a measure of that resistance is an essential natural right! We cannot and could not exist as a free people without it!</p>
<p>So the fact is we couldnâ€™t have given up such an essential natural right to allow the Federal government to itself be the soul and exclusive definer of the extent of itâ€™s own powers. Because even if we did in ratifying the Constitution, through fear, fraud or mistake, as John Adams early had put it with regard to the British constitution and Rights of the Colonists:<br />
â€œIf men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.â€ â€“ John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Youâ€™re right, but consider the source. If the guy was on for, say, 20 minutes â€“ or even 10 â€“ and these issues were brought up, we might have seen more and been satisfied. A major problem is that the media thinks Americaâ€™s important issues can be covered in 3 minutes.

What we really need are more serious and thorough debates in the MSM over the 10th.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youâ€™re right, but consider the source. If the guy was on for, say, 20 minutes â€“ or even 10 â€“ and these issues were brought up, we might have seen more and been satisfied. A major problem is that the media thinks Americaâ€™s important issues can be covered in 3 minutes.</p>
<p>What we really need are more serious and thorough debates in the MSM over the 10th.</p>
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