Virginia NDAA Nullification Bill headed to Governor Bob McDonnell. Veto Imminent?

After over a week of parliamentary procedures stalled House Bill 1160 (HB1160) in Virginia, today – finally – the bill passed its final hurdle and will head to the Governor’s desk for a signature. The bill is a state-level response to the newly-claimed “indefinite detention” powers of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). HB1160 is a bill “to prevent any agency, political subdivision, employee, or member of the military of Virginia from assisting an agency of the armed forces of the United States in the investigation, prosecution, or detention of a citizen in violation of the United States Constitution, the Constitution of Virginia, or any Virginia law or regulation.”

ACTION ALERT

Virginia residents are encouraged to take action on this right now – today. Those living in Virginia are encouraged to contact their Senators with words of thanks for passing HB1160 (at this link) AND the Governor’s office (at this link) in support of this legislation now.

“Sign it, or let it pass!” That’s the message to send to Bob McDonnell.

WHAT HAPPENED TODAY

11:15 am
Senator Peterson (D) moved to “recede” from the Senate position and agree to the House passed language
Senator Newman (D) asked it go by temporarily

1:45 pm
Senator Peterson (D) motion to recede back on floor
Senator Peterson (D) spoke for it — asked a question — Lt. Gov. Bolling said if the Senate receded, the bill would be passed and forwarded to the Governor.
Senator Black (R) spoke for it
no one spoke against it
The vote was 37-1 in favor to recede and agree to the House bill

Senator Stanley (R) moved to reconsider
Lt. Gov. Bolling said that would have required unanimous consent since it was already reconsidered yesterday,
Senator Stanley withdrew his motion (with Dick Black on his feet to object)

So now we will see what the Governor will do. (h/t Bill Olson for the reporting)

Insiders tell us that the Governor’s office is opposed to the bill both philosophically and politically. A bill that passed 96-4 in the House, 37-1 today in the Senate, and has had wide-spread support from people across the political spectrum in Virginia and around the country – is a serious liability for a man possibly being considered for a VP spot in the Republican nomination process. A veto would likely anger many constituents, and signing it could hamper higher political aspirations. This is a difficult place for any politician to be, and a place where Constitution-lovers want those politicians to be!

THE DRAMA

The bill, authored by Delegate Bob Marshall, originally passed the House by a vote of 96-4. In the Senate, there were attempts to delay the bill – basically killing it for the legislative year. That vote came down to a 20-20 tie, and ended up losing. Then, after an outpouring of support across the political spectrum, the bill received an amendment in the Senate, and passed 39-1 – sending it back to the house.

At that point, we believe that Governor Bob McDonnell – whom insiders tell us actually opposes the bill and sees it as a potential liability in a bid for a VP spot in the 2012 election – was working behind the scenes to get the bill killed in the House, which needed to approve the Senate amendment quickly to pass.

A number of procedural moves were used, and the amended bill was held up from coming to a vote. Delegate Barbara Comstock – one of only four delegates to oppose the bill the first time around – was the most outspoken against the bill. In essence, she was working as the establishment tool to try to stop what the People of Virginia, and in fact the entire country, are calling for – resistance to Sections 1021 and 1022 of the 2012 NDAA.

In a speech on the House floor, Comstock recycled the old fear tactics of 9-11 and terrorist attacks, implying that passage of the bill would be dangerous to public safety. “On 9-11, 2001, the Commonwealth was a war zone, a terror site, and I am concerned about what this bill and what this Senate amendment actually intends to do or would do to our national defense and counterterrorism efforts,” she said.

Comstock also stated that she worked with Congressman Frank Wolf (a supporter of NDAA), the Governor’s office and the National Guard to express opposition and to put the bill “in conference” – which would have effectively killed it for the legislative session.

Far from being dangerous to public safety, efforts to stand up for the Constitution do just what the Founding Fathers told us they would when they wrote the Preamble, including “insure domestic Tranquility” and “provide for the common defence.” Following the Constitution to the letter gives us more peace and a stronger national defense!

NONCOMPLIANCE, NULLIFICATION?

While the bill doesn’t, on its own, actually nullify or directly block federal agents from carrying out their new NDAA powers, this is part and parcel of a larger NDAA resistance campaign around the country. Currently 8 local governments have passed resolutions ranging from a denouncement of the federal act in three Colorado counties to requiring noncompliance with it in places like Fairfax, CA and Northampton, MA. And, 10 states are currently considering legislation like Virginia’s – all similar to the model legislation provided by the Tenth Amendment Center, the Liberty Preservation Act.

Here at the Tenth Amendment Center, we define nullification as “any act or set of acts which has as its end result a particular law being rendered null, void, or unenforceable in a specific area.” With that definition in mind, we see nullification of the new “kidnapping powers” of the NDAA as a multi-step process, including resolutions denouncing the act, bills refusing compliance with it on a state or local level, and beyond. This is why the bill has been dubbed by many to be the “NDAA Nullification Bill” – as it is part of a national effort to render those new unconstitutional powers null, void or unenforceable.

Barb Comstock was not happy with such language gaining traction around the country, and spoke of it on the floor in the hopes of derailing the effort –

“HB1160 is being heralded around the country as the NDAA Nullification Bill,” she said. “Even if you don’t agree with the Federal Defense Authorization Bill…the Commonwealth should not be nullifying a national defense bill.” She continued, “This is not at all like health care. I can assure you when I served in the government in the days after 9-11, I never was in the White House Situation Room about health care. But I was in that room over national defense and national security issues.”

Is it any surprise that someone who was in the White House Situation room with George Bush, Dick Cheney and others – would oppose a bill refusing compliance with new extra-constitutional federal powers? Certainly not.

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL VERSION

Eventually, the house rejected the Senate version of the bill, and sent the original back to the Senate for consideration. The options at that point were to vote on the House version or send it to conference, where Comstock wanted it – killing the bill for the 2012 legislative session. After some parliamentary procedures, a motion was made to “recede” from the Senate amendment, which passed 28-10. (tally here) That vote basically said that the Senate was withdrawing their amendment and were willing to have an up or down vote on the House version. After a 39-0 Senate vote to reconsider receding from the Amendment, the bill was “passed by” for the day and put on the schedule for March 8, 2012.

Speaking in favor of the bill today were Senators Petersen (D) of Fairfax City, and Black (R) from Loudoun. “There is a long history – the posse comitatus act – that was designed to create a barrier between military force and law enforcement in this country. This is the first breach…since that period around 1870,” said Senator Black.

The final vote to recede from the Senate amendment, and effectively approve of the original House version was 37-1. (vote tally here)

Delegate Marshall released a statement on the vote today (full statement here) in which he said the following:

“The writ of Habeas Corpus in our Constitution (Article 1, Section 9) is what separates America from dictatorships around the world. Giving anyone the unfettered power to “detain” American citizens without trial, counsel, specific charges, or a public record of such proceedings is unwise, imprudent and at fundamental odds with the assumptions of our government and legal traditions.”

“The next order of business is for Governor McDonnell to sign this bill, and I respectfully call on him to do so, joining the General Assembly in protecting Virginians against unbridled exercise of federal power to detain American citizens.”

LEGISLATIVE TRACKING

CLICK HERE – to view 4 versions of the model bill, the Liberty Preservation Act, for introduction in your state, city, county or town

CLICK HERE – to track the status of the Liberty Preservation Act around the country.

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41 Responses to Virginia NDAA Nullification Bill headed to Governor Bob McDonnell. Veto Imminent?

  1. Roostrwoodstock March 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    @RonPaul_2012 YOU must get ALEX JONES BACK ON-A-THON! The BOUNCE!

  2. Tom Mansfield March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Way to go, Virginia!

  3. Christopher Hossli March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Florida next!!!!!!!!

  4. Knox Harrington March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    this is monumental!

  5. Mark Kenyon March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Yay!!!!!!! Good news !!!!!

  6. Patricia Headden-Rasmussen March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Woot!

  7. Catherine Crabill March 8, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    VIRGINIANS!!! CONTACT THE GOVERNOR NOW!!!!  Email: Adam.Zubowsky@governor.virginia.gov
    and call!!! 804-786-2211 Fax: (804) 371-6351

    • Michael Boldin March 8, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

       @Catherine Crabill thanks for providing the direct call info, Catherine!

  8. FL10thAmendment March 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    @NC10th The fact that FL has a veto proof majority of GOP members is a reason we WONT have an anti #NDAA bill. Liberty is an orphan in Tally

  9. BrandtHardin March 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    The NDAA only goes to further stifle our Constitutional Rights without the approval of the Americans, just as the Patriot Act was adopted WITHOUT public approval or vote just weeks after the events of 9/11. A mere 3 criminal charges of terrorism a year are attributed to this act, which is mainly used for no-knock raids leading to drug-related arrests without proper cause for search and seizure. The laws are simply a means to spy on our own citizens and to detain and torture dissidents without trial or a right to council. You can read much more about living in this Orwellian society of fear and see my visual response to these measures on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/living-in-society-of-fear-ten-years.html
     
     

  10. hihoze March 8, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    @ForgottenMen excellent. now hope the gov signs it

    • ForgottenMen March 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

      @hihoze agreed!

  11. Michael Hague March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Thank you, Virginia, for having the backbone that lacks in North Carolina. LEAD THE WAY.

  12. Benjamin Franklin March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    <<< Arizona. NEXT!

  13. Scott David Murphy March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Awesome, i wonder when the DOJ will bring forth lawsuits against the states when it is in fact unlawful and unconstitutional.

  14. Scott David Murphy March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Awesome, i wonder when the DOJ will bring forth lawsuits against the states when it is in fact unlawful and unconstitutional.

  15. Mark Kenyon March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Scott , I’m wondering that too!

  16. Catherine Crabill March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    This Governor has worked aggressively behind the scenes to STOP HB1160! He will need to be reminded who he serves and his sacred Oath of Office! email him at: Adam.Zubowsky@governor.virginia.gov, and call!!! 804-786-2211 Fax: (804) 371-6351 NOW!!!!!

  17. Tom Ontis March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Hopefully never! We have our own rights as states, and we need to exercise these rights…b4 our gov’t has us all labeled ‘terrorists’

  18. Tom Ontis March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Hopefully never! We have our own rights as states, and we need to exercise these rights…b4 our gov’t has us all labeled ‘terrorists’

  19. Mark Kenyon March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Amen to that, Tom O.

  20. Charles Lewis March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    LEAD THE WAY VIRGINIA…………………….

  21. Lui LaRotta March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Way to go VA!!! AZ to follow and if I keep bugging my congress and reps, maybe TX too!

  22. Juliane Thurston March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    just emailed Governor McDonnell- he’s conservative and I believe and hope he will sign it… HB 1160 sic semper tyrannis!

  23. Darold Boucher March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Catherine Crabill…..You are way too kind to your Gov. girl……I say throw the bum out!

  24. Darold Boucher March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Catherine Crabill…..You are way too kind to your Gov. girl……I say throw the bum out!

  25. Glen Bismarck March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Sign it and let it pass or recall him.

  26. Glen Bismarck March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Sign it and let it pass or recall him.

  27. Juliane Thurston March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Lynchburg tea party confirms the governor’s opposition to this bill- why he opposes it I have no idea… smh and getting on the phone!

  28. Tenth Amendment Center March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Thanks for the update, Juliane Thurston! If he continues to oppose it, we need to make sure the public knows he is WRONG! Did you get any good feedback from Lynchburg TP on this action alert?

  29. Chuck Sweet March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Typical Obama class liberal,that Gov.Bob McDonnell.

  30. Cheryl J Williamson March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    WOW !!! Excellent ..

  31. Ann Rhoades March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Sweet! NEXT!

  32. Ann Rhoades March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Sweet! NEXT!

  33. Mark Kenyon March 9, 2012 at 9:01 am #

    I like what Darold B. and Glen B. said. If our elected know that they may lose their jobs if they don’t represent the people of the state, maybe they will behave. That’s the whole idea. Representing the people. Doing what the people want. Not what the elected want. Otherwise they are tyrants.

  34. Catherine Crabill March 9, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    I FINALLY got through to the Governor’s office and was told that the Governor is concerned about the implications of signing HB1160 on Virginia Law Enforcement Agencies.
     
    I told his minion that I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF NOT SIGNING THE BILL ON INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!
     
     

  35. RogerVa March 9, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    I sent the Governor an e-mail Virginia has always led the way in the fight for freedom. This is your chance to show Virginia is, and always be a leader in that fight! THE PEOPLE OF VIRGINIA WILL NEVER TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY! …NOT EVER!!! In the words of Patrick Henry “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!”…so come on my fellow Virginians call the Governor! Tell him this is his chance to lead the way.!

  36. Habanera March 10, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    Way to go Virginia. I hope South Carolina is next.
     
    Randall

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