Bill of Rights. FTW!

@WilliamSchooler It's sad you haven't the courage to answer a direct question - not once. You make accusations but like many progressives you won't back them up. Yes, I said progressive as I doubt you're a constitutional conservative as I am. So again go ahead use the royal we and post more disingenuous responses for all to see.

@Roberto Benitez

In fact here is a great piece just for you with my pleasure.

http://www.aproducingamerican.com/2012/01/22/the-difference-of-knowing-your-definition/

@Roberto Benitez

Why, no need because you already have, if you think you have some value to add act or my statements stand as true as we can all see before our eyes.

And don’t be sad we fully thank you.

@WilliamSchooler If you're so intelligent, please have the cojones to state your evidence that I don't stand on the side of the Constitution. Come on, have the courage to answer a question.

@Roberto Benitez

Bravo Roberto, thank you for the most elaborate spectacle of our enemy in this country. You are mad because I exposed you, you are out of control and cannot stop. You think you are providing some great service to the rest of us at the TAC.

You refuse to look at history and language, you have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that you do not stand on the side of the constitution at all. That you only pride yourself on what you think you know. You have provided no productive material or thought. You like to recite poems and we get it.

You make great attempts to put me down to what? Attempt to prop you up? You do not even realize I have sucked into a hole you will not out live.

You are the perfect example of what I speak about on education in this country, your pride to have done so is so prominent you cannot see what has been done. Worst is you cannot even see I do and do not blame you but have suggested for you to look and you refuse.

For this reason you are exposed and will bare no weight with another. You have shown beyond all reasonable doubt your own falseness and there is not one thing about you that can or will produce any great results. This will be left to the rest of us that actually do something versus pretend on a stage.

Again thank you very much and good luck to you sir, you will need it.

Genuinely,

William Schooler

A Producing American (different from those who do not)

@WilliamSchooler It would seem that all you stand for is aggressive semi-illiteracy, a disdain for education, and rebellion. Unfortunately, you haven't any concept of what think and haven't the courage either to state what you believe I think or what even you believe in. If you say I believe in superiority or elitism, your not wrong, you're a liar.

I post in response to inane dishonest posts like yours because I fear people like you will bring about the end of the Great American Experiment. You have no coherent message because you have no comprehension what the Tenth Amendment Center is all about. It defends the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights. It's emphasis is on the Tenth Amendment which I doubt you even understand.

So tell me, are you a Ron Paul skin head? Or is it you're an anarchist? Don't worry, I doubt you'll have the courage to answer such questions.

@WilliamSchooler So you admit championing semi-illiteracy, is that it? Besides, what do you produce other than hot air? I haven't asked you to get permission from me for anything. So why do you lie so facilely?

@Roberto Benitez

Find a mirror and repeat that last statement!

You have no idea the constitution represents your independence from the king, really? What part of the constitution does not say LIBERTY?

No, I do not believe you because I have already confirmed you think for more than I wish to be involved with. It is you that is unable to receive the message because my spelling is bad, poor you.

@WilliamSchooler Your hubris knows no bounds. I've not once claimed to know it all or even most all, but you have. I'll bet you don't even know what I said I believed in. While I certainly believe in the Declaration of Independence it isn't our Constitution. I doubt you you believe in such concepts that I mentioned. But then maybe you're aliterate.

Obviously you're mentally ill. Please seek professional help.

@Roberto Benitez

Why, so I can be like you, don’t you get it? I have no intention of being like you. Its the message I send and not all the prim and proper and prominent. Us producers don’t have to spell everything correctly we only have to deliver products people actually need and want and I already understand you do not care. No big deal I don’t need your permission to be me.

Why don’t you focus on you and not all the rest of us who actually do deliver.

@WilliamSchooler Corectly plees leern speell. :-0

@Roberto Benitez

Clearly Roberto you are far too smart for your own good and shows without question you only think you know. My certainties my findings, my discoveries and surely not yours. Stop pretending you claim to know it all for you show no valid proof. Because I challenge those who think make me know less intelligent.

I am A Producing American by trade something you will never understand because you think yourself higher of such a simple stance. My principals in the Declaration of Independence my principal of choice. Dare not pretend to know a thing about me for you have not lived in my shoes for I have and my determination as genuine as I am here.

You sir have over stepped your bounds as some authority for which you have not one thing to show and you have provided nothing of significance except ignorance which you truly display by the prominence which spews it.

William, your hubris is exceeded only by your ignorance and disingenuousness. Your take aggressive pride at your inability to correctly and cogently use the English language. You accuse others who believe in the Constitution, fiscal sanity, lower taxation, smaller less intrusive government, and government protecting our borders of sending the country down the toilet. You mock those who want to restore this once great country to a democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law with a free market capitalist economy with true contract law. You're probably unaware or don't care that we no longer have an intact Constitution, particularly an intact Bill of Rights. I can only surmise if you believe your inanity is a noble endeavor then you're either a communist or a libertarian anarchist. If so, how sad. There's not much difference between them.

Have you no concept of how absurd your post sounds? The very first first sentence is not only nonsensical, it's dishonest. It's clear you have no probity, only pride and arrogance. You assert that by using the English language succinctly and correctly I 'm being prideful yet you're unable to elucidate a cogent thought. You reject higher education likely because you're unable to achieve such. You claim recognition out of a false exaltation of yourself, the very essence of pride. You show an extreme animus towards educated people in order to compensate for you own lack of learning. You, sir, are sure of nothing except your own ego.

@Roberto Benitez

If honesty is what you call pride then difficulty takes place.

I am not here to impress thus the level of conversation with most. I am pretty sure I pointed out where pride lay, its shining bright in the Prominent by word significance. But I am sure pride of all the law schools could in no way find their way home because of all the time they spent building themselves to be 0s, or prominent or pretty word spewers.

Its ok, I understand how we all got in the trap its only those who realize this who get out of the trap. And since for my self and all those around me I have become a symbol of completions, my recognitions is genuine and not made up and therefore have no reason to impress a common soul.

For the elitist, lawyers, politicians type I am defiance in the highest degrees because I have located where the source of ignorance spews from. You can call it a skill of observation, something you probably don’t practice because of the higher trap door of what is called learning, the practice that stops learning because it allows people to pretend to know all these things that they have no clue about.

I am sure this is just a complete miss understanding of Observation and pride or thinking.

@WilliamSchooler You need to abandon your pride in you aggressive ignorance and become a mensch.

@Roberto Benitez

Aren’t you in this film, LOL the prefect example of you.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/12/watch-when-mitt-romney-came-to-town/

@Roberto Benitez

Oh you ignorant man, claiming anything. You pose the authority many do only suggesting you know while attempting to take our country down a toilet. I don't fear you because you say nothing.

You act as so called educated lie, authoritarians claiming only authority over with their dominating languages only meant for the few to understand, Oh yes us common folk, the producers of the world, how dare we think we not have to look up to you. But you are lifeless made up puffing out your chest as though prominent but hysterical at best.

You know nothing only showing you think you know what you do not sir.

I have to grow nothing, now sit down in your chair as your uselessness has been shared, thank you kind sir. Ignorance has never been louder broadcast, thank you for sharing it with us, you fool.

What do you and Obama have in common? all of it.

@WilliamSchooler I'm not surprised that you take pride in your aggressive semi-illiteracy and aliteracy. I'm all too well aware of the egregious problems facing our educational system. You're a perfect example of that, provided you even went to school in the US. I now have reason to believe English is a second language to you. By the way, I admire those who speak more than one language.

So what acts of mine are below that of others? Is it daring to criticize your poor use of the English language, your poor grammatical skills, your poor spelling, or your poor comprehension? Since when have I claimed or intimated that I have authority or superiority over you?

You write, "Grown I have because I do not sit around pretending I know a thing." Quite right; you don't pretend to know a thing because you know very little. You tell me to shut up. Do you believe for an instance I'm intimidated by your bellicosity? Who is the one who thinks they're superior?

So grow some cojones and become a mesnch my aggressively and puerile semi-illiterate friend.

@Roberto Benitez

Good you should be scared of us who actually get things done, because we directly defy you who don’t. Sitting on A stage pretending is what got us here in this country. Maybe you have not studied enough on the present pathetic practice of education in this country because you are too proud to listen, that is ok you can be like the 1000s out there that only THINK they are superior but can show nothing of value. That think you are above others but your acts surely show below all others.

Grown I have because I do not sit around pretending I know a thing, I dig, and dig, and dig. I am like a nat to your worst nightmare. Exposing the truths while pretenders run around earth performing false authority on to others. Sit back in you chair and shut up. The last thing you are is my authority.

Consider this mutual respect, none is given and none will be delivered. One authority to another the way LIFE really is instead all this made up bull shi*. I bet this a clear message isn’t it?

You sir only THINK you know what literacy is.

@WilliamSchooler You want it straight? What scare me are aggressively semi-illiterate people like you. With only two years of language I doubt you made it through high school.

You're aliterate, semi-illiterate, can't write a cogent post, and are a grouser who needs to play the victim. Grow up.

@Roberto Benitez

All right mr. authority give it to us straight, I knew it would come out. Since you don’t know a thing about me and my two year study of language extended by my research into the dominant practices of language you sir have displayed the gamut of what I am talking about. The queens English go ahead make fun of me because it does not bother me at all, your dominance supersedes your patheticness trust me. It is you who cannot understand me for I have gotten out my secret decoder ring and understood everything you have said. And you say it is my problem, I bet you want to convince me also that all the super educated running this country did not bring us these crap ass results as well, Ha look again mr...

Nope, there is nothing wrong with my position in life at all, in fact I am sure of myself as well God. My looks have nothing to do with it but why do so many pride themselves on the mastery of words, to look good? LOL, impressive man, I can understand you but you cannot understand simple english, you tell me whats wrong with this picture.

For the record I do not COMMAND with words because I am not a commander, I am a Producing American defined by a foundation of terms for which I choose and my own authority to boot, so get off your high horsy and come back down to earth with the rest of us simple Life forms who actually do the work and don’t sit around looking pretty.

Wow, impressive and so well educated too. Damn sure scares me, that is for sure.

@WilliamSchooler Your lack of command of the English language is deplorable. It would seem you're glorifying ignorance. Using proper English and grammar isn't a sign of pride, it's a sign of training in order to get ones thoughts across succinctly.

If you're unable to use or understand the Queen's English properly then go back to school. This isn't the place for "See Jack and Jill go up the hill." However, even that's more cogent than your posts.

By the way, what does your looks have to do with anything? Do you not think yourself special in the eye's of God? Or is there anything wrong with your position in life? Don't understand my questions? Look again at the implications of the wording of your post.

@Roberto Benitez

Thank you Roberto, this is what happens when you become so trained at the art of what some call literacy or intellectual thinking. Speaking above people is not understanding is it?

When you speak to these people and they are unable to comprehend only acknowledges what was really said. What it means is there no reason to puff out our chest to show some superiority in english language speaking that we are all here teaching each other about our independence (Liberty) of out of control Governments or even Religious groups. To be free from pathetic abusive groups cramming false authority down our throats. So please come back down to earth with the rest of us students and lets learn the basics of understanding, choice making and reachable objectives. Because I am not pretty or special or above I am life in communications with other life around me for a purpose to deliver back A Republic to this country unswayable as it has been in the past.

So if this last piece is too hard to understand please revert back to the dictionary for good old basic english the majority of us speak, thank you.

@WilliamSchooler William, your dialogue is incoherent. From it would guess you're an anarchist. Now I don't mean the violent bomb throwing type. The original meaning of anarchy was good but it's not viable as a means of governance.

@Roberto Benitez

Roberto, I could add we are all students or we would not be in this class room attempting to define the golden slipper. Next all students are not sitting up prim and proper to word phrases and supposed proper grammar skills. In fact the education system in this country literally demoralizes the language is some idea that the intellectual is some how far more powerful or superior than the typical mind, when in fact it becomes a mastery of words over wisdom. Wisdom the experience of things and delusions the mastery of word chains, harsh isn't it?

History and Religion go way back, and many have announced their dominance as the only one have they not? The authority, it kind of reminds me of some men in our white house or even better yet those hiding in the back ground pretending they will not be seen. It is not the sentence it is the message we send.

First recognize authority by looking in your mirror, your choice your total authority and to think any other or group of others of more or proper authority is a false claim.

What is sovereign, what are you? A Public, a politic, what were those in the day before the perversion of the idea over time and those perverting?

Constitutional law in its own right is wrong because some claim authority over as in law, in truth it is rules to hold improper authority from taking place. This is because Independence was born which is the light of Liberty, the constitution is liberties care taker to assure it stays this way. Those not following these rules do the act preceding Independence which were acts of tyranny. This would be straight english for any common laymen to understand.

The marvels of our historic language and its frivolous crimes against humanity by agents sent here to pervert such an understanding.

When we treat each other the way we wish to understand will we. To be word savvy is not all it has been taught to be and is a crime against us. History has many stories to tell so many you will not see them all, but with many looking we all see different ones we can expose to deliver the clear message of our Independence, our Liberty and our justice for all.

@tascmanwylie Let me first say what not to do. Even in many law schools students in constitutional law are taught about court precedents, not what the Constitution and tis Founders said.

We need to expose students to the actual documents founding our country and what they meant to the writers and people of the time. We need to teach more than names, dates, and places but the reasons why they occurred and to connect the dots.

For example, few are taught how the fall of the Roman Empire to Islam of Islam in Europe and the expansion of Islam in Europe led to many wars including WW I. Few know that the reason Columbus, ethnically a Jew, sailed west was due to Islam. Many are taught that the US is to blame for tensions with Islam, but few know that at the beginning of the US Islam declared war on us. That's why we need to connect the dots when teaching history.

Many young people I know haven't a clue about our political system or how and why it came about. Most believe we're a democracy not realizing many Founders abhorred the idea of a democracy. In addition, we have to teach people that while all ideas have a right to be heard, not all are equal or even moral.

@tascmanwylie@Michael Boldin I used the 20th century definition of "to cede" but I have to admit I like the word "delegated" better. Even if we assumed, wrongly I might add, that the powers the sovereign States delegated to the federal government were to be permanent, the States would still have the right to modify or take them back thru the amendment process.

The federal governments seeming assumption that clauses like the Commerce and Establishment clauses give it absolute power over the States goes against everything the Founders believed in. If Paine or Revere were alive they'd be calling for another revolution.

@tascmanwylie There's nothing wrong with using the words democratic or democracy as long as one realizes as you point out that the USA, or should I say USSA, was founded as a republican form of democracy and not a straight democracy. As a matter of fact, Fisher Ames, in a speech at the Massachusetts Ratifying Convention in 1788 stated, "The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty." John Adams wrote that, "Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."

As a modern day example, wouldn't the almost 50 % that pay no income taxes want a democracy in which they could demand that the rich carry all of the burden of government? Is this not was the Fabian socialist Mr. Obama wants?

The assault on our democratic Republic is unrelenting. Several cases in point arethe 16th and 17th Amendments which were a direct assault on States Rights. The 16th gave the federal government the "right" to collect taxes form the people directly. The 17th established "democracy" in electing senators. Now the progressives want to eradicate the Electoral College. There're also efforts to allow non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, the right to vote.

It's my belief that democracy will lead to a socialist welfare nanny one-party state.

@tascmanwylie @roberto Benitez one more point, because of the definitions I just gave, technically the definitions you gave for cede actually don't work.

Sovereigns don't yield or give up power. They don't grant power...they are by definition the beginning and end of power. They only authorize others to use their power.

Anything else, by definition in the 18th century legal sense, would be an oxymoron.

Hope that helps clear it up a little further!

@tascmanwylie @roberto Benitez I'll clarify further...

You can't properly define words in an 18th century legal document with a modern dictionary.

The founders were quite assertive about this point in the debates about the tenth amendment itself. The use of the word DELEGATE was deliberate...

Why? At the time, this usage - in and of itself - made clear that the power was originating from a sovereign, the people of the several states.

Sovereigns delegated to agents...and sovereigns, holding final authority (the definition of a sovereign itself) could never give anything up....just authorize another or an agent to act in it's stead.

Non sovereigns - gave, ceded, other anything else.

@Michael Boldin@Roberto Benitez

Definition of CEDE transitive verb1 : to yield or grant typically by treaty 2 : assign, transfer

del·e·gate (dl-gt, -gt)n.1. Representatives who is entitled to speak but not vote.tr.v. (-gt) del·e·gat·ed, del·e·gat·ing, del·e·gates 1. To authorize and send (another person) as one's representative.2. To commit or entrust to another: delegate a task to a subordinate.

Thanks Mike. Technically cede works, but I like Delegated Representative better.

@Roberto Benitez@tascmanwylie A small point of correction, but important.

There is no such thing as "CEDING" power to the federal government.

All power is "DELEGATED"

Ceded power is given away ,and given up.

Delegated power comes from sovereign power (in the people of the several states in our case)....and delegated power can be RECALLED.

@Roberto Benitez What do you think is the best way to teach our American History?

If we are to reach future generations, history shows we must train the children. Today, we are simply those whom have a sense that something is wrong and are looking back to understand what we have been handed to us. The majority of Americans are blissfully ignorant of the conflict, happily plying their trades and seeking their short termed welfare, and we will find them weak allies in the battle to revive the glory of Americanism.

@Roberto Benitez Thanks for your little clips, they are very helpful. But I am a bit uncomfortable with the definitions democratic leanings as it clouds the importance of precepts and principles of delegated limited authority of Republicanism. This was the doorway for the camels nose so to speak. It was a Republican form of government we were handed, not a Democratic one. While we had some elements of democracy built into the Constitution, it was anathema to the founders that we would be one.

McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin; Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1593.html

It is the abuse of the 14th [and all the amendments for that matter] that bothers me, thus I wonder if it could have been drafted in such a way that the states were more protected from its abuse by their federal head.

“ In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

The founders had the freshness of rebellion and war that gave them the diligence to carefully lay out the precepts they understood would best to ensure their continued prosperity. Subsequent generations have only the memory and history to kindle their desire where the founders pledged their lives and fortunes to be able to have the discussion. That is what I feel that in the drafting of the 14th and other amendments we find a lack of gravity and diligence to defend sovereignty at all costs. It was hotly debated in the founders days; today it is at best, a footnote.

The schools are ultimately the source of our hope for changing the tide today. We need Americanism taught throughout, and from the bottom up, through the local community's, not the States though it may help, but violates principle of self rule. Today we have federally mandated Marxist Multiculturalism and Revisionism in place of true history and the founders faith. The result, unfortunately is we've become an aggressor amongst the nations, propping up dictators everywhere to protect our interests to our shame.

[Washington told us this would happen] Today our cherished religious freedom is being used to write our epitaph where we once fought wars to protect it.

Oh Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.

@tascmanwylie I agree the 14th Amendment ceded power to the federal government. However, we must remember the reason for that was the gross breaching of human and political rights for minorities. It should also be mentioned the States aren't sovereign countries but part of a Union in which they ceded limited powers to the federal government.

Here is a good description I found concerning federalism. "Federalism is a political concept in which a group of members are bound together by covenant with a governing representative head. The term "federalism" is also used to describe a system of the government in which sovereignty is constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units (like states or provinces). Federalism is a system based upon democratic rules and institutions in which the power to govern is shared between national and provincial/state governments, creating what is often called a federation. Proponents are often called federalists." - Wikipedia

My greatest concern is that we've strayed so far from the Constitution that it's fast losing it's meaning and purpose. Ask most liberals and they'll say the Constitution instructs the government how to take care of society and also the responsibility of citizens under the federal government. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Constitution sets up the structure of our federal government and then states the specific, enumerated, powers ceded to it by the States, with the remaining powers residing with the people and the States.

However, in our desire for security and handouts we've given up our liberties. However, as Franklin wrote, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Sadly, the Bill of Rights is moribund. I'd say only the 3rd Amendment is intact, so far. What we need to do is to restore this once great beacon of hope to a democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law under a free market capitalist economy with real contract law. Unfortunately, I believe things may have progressed so far that it's time for patriots to dust off the Declaration of Independence and take it to heart with a vengeance, keeping in mind why Madison and Jefferson said the 2nd Amendment was written.

@phreedomphan For some time the list of banks that started the Federal Reserve was classified. That was because most of the banks were European banks that funded both sides in numerous Europeans wars.

Some of the original banks were the Rothchilds, Morgans, Warburgs, Lazards, Israel Moses Seaf, Kuhns, Lehmas, Goldman-Sachs, and the Rockefellers. There is some dispute over the list.

By the way, JFK issued an Executive Order to return the printing of money to the US Mint. Some people think it may have been the FED that had him killed.

@Roberto Benitez You're right. Taxation is much higher and we have absolutely no representation. Moreover, the money is used to pay interest on the national debt owed to the banks who likely have a direct link to the banks that controlled England at the time of our War of Secession.

@phreedomphan Your point is well taken. While the Preamble IS DEFINITELY part of the document, it's not a rule, structure, construct, or law but rather a statement as to why the Founders wrote the Constitution. It's their rationale.

However, in its decision the SCOTUS referred to the Articles of Confederation which seemed to hold that once a colony or territory joined the Union, it was permanent. The Articles while thrown out, did give substance to the Constitution; they didn't exist in a vacuum. But I'd agree that by referring to the Preamble, the supreme Court out stepped its jurisdiction. It wasn't its only time.

The precedent as you mentioned was the Declaration of Independence which definitely states that when a government becomes oppressive the people have a right to change, abolish, or leave it. That precedence still stands.

As an interesting sidelight, taxation, particularly without representation, by the British Crown was a major reason for the Revolutionary War. Today, the rate of taxation is far higher.

@Roberto Benitez@tascmanwylie

Roberto, the SCOTUS decision you mentioned is just one more example of the fallacious twisting of the Constitution by that court. The Preamble is not a part of the document. Even the concept of “forming a more perfect union” does not support denial of the right of the States to secede. How can a union be “more perfect” if force of arms can be used to compel members to stay? Sounds more like the code of the Mafia, at least if Hollywood portrayals of that organization can be relied on. Neither can we rely on words from the Articles since that document was thrown out by the Constitution's adoption.

The Southern secession wasn't the first instance of a call for secession. In the furor over the Louisianna Purchase, in which, according to Francis Newton Thorpe, the Federalists became Republicans and the Republicans became Federalists, it was suggested that the federalist states secede. This didn't go far because at the time there were only three states with federalist legislatures. According to Thorpe, the question of secession came up again with the embargo of 1807 which hurt commerce and manufacturing in general, but especially in New England.

What I would suggest is a precedent for the right of secession is our own Secessionary War, usually mislabeled as the Revolutionary War. In that war, the colonies did not overthrow the King of England, they just seceded from the Empire.