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		<title>By: printing paper with a money background &#124; Credit System</title>
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		<dc:creator>printing paper with a money background &#124; Credit System</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: 10th Amendment 101: Essential Reading for Tenthers&#160;&#124;&#160;California Tenth Amendment Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>10th Amendment 101: Essential Reading for Tenthers&#160;&#124;&#160;California Tenth Amendment Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wynfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>wynfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The of the biggest error in the founding documents was not to include Jefferson&#039;s insistence that their be a Constitutional Convention every 18 years. He saw that EVERY generation would need to bring together a group of people to recast the framework in terms that fit the living. So we have a document that says that only the Federal Gov&#039;t the right to coin money. That this term was used inclusive of creating - &quot;coining&quot; - paper money at the time, but isn&#039;t today, was used in 1913 to create the Federal Reserve. So now we live in a nation and economy bought and paid for by the largest concentrations of wealth, who are international entities with no allegiance whatever to the United States... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The of the biggest error in the founding documents was not to include Jefferson&#039;s insistence that their be a Constitutional Convention every 18 years. He saw that EVERY generation would need to bring together a group of people to recast the framework in terms that fit the living. So we have a document that says that only the Federal Gov&#039;t the right to coin money. That this term was used inclusive of creating &#8211; &quot;coining&quot; &#8211; paper money at the time, but isn&#039;t today, was used in 1913 to create the Federal Reserve. So now we live in a nation and economy bought and paid for by the largest concentrations of wealth, who are international entities with no allegiance whatever to the United States&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There you go again.   It&#039;s ALL this way or ALL that way.   How about just think of these issues along a continuum?   You have a more equitable distribution of wealth and income without being communists and all equal. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again.   It&#39;s ALL this way or ALL that way.   How about just think of these issues along a continuum?   You have a more equitable distribution of wealth and income without being communists and all equal. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, you think all that wealth got there honestly because people followed the laws and we all enjoy the same laws?   Forget about overt corruption.   Let&#039;s talk about insidious corruption. 
 
If you are filthy rich and have no need for work, that&#039;s okay because you make your money by way of capital gains and dividends - unearned income. 
 
Yet, if you are middle class, you have to work and earn income. 
 
Unearned income is taxed at 15%.  Earned income is taxed much higher - especially when you lump in FICA and Medicare. 
 
But you have the same rule for everyone, so it must be okay.   Ha!   That is not the SAME rule for everyone.   It is a disparate rule favoring the rich and preserving their wealth. 
 
You have no estate tax like we used to, and that rule is the SAME for everyone.   Ha!   The vast majority will never have enough wealth to ever get the benefit of the phase-out. 
 
Now, something tells me that the rules should be crafted to where everyone shares largely in the benefits.   You are a sucker, and I didn&#039;t make you one. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you think all that wealth got there honestly because people followed the laws and we all enjoy the same laws?   Forget about overt corruption.   Let&#039;s talk about insidious corruption. </p>
<p>If you are filthy rich and have no need for work, that&#039;s okay because you make your money by way of capital gains and dividends &#8211; unearned income. </p>
<p>Yet, if you are middle class, you have to work and earn income. </p>
<p>Unearned income is taxed at 15%.  Earned income is taxed much higher &#8211; especially when you lump in FICA and Medicare. </p>
<p>But you have the same rule for everyone, so it must be okay.   Ha!   That is not the SAME rule for everyone.   It is a disparate rule favoring the rich and preserving their wealth. </p>
<p>You have no estate tax like we used to, and that rule is the SAME for everyone.   Ha!   The vast majority will never have enough wealth to ever get the benefit of the phase-out. </p>
<p>Now, something tells me that the rules should be crafted to where everyone shares largely in the benefits.   You are a sucker, and I didn&#039;t make you one. </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, 
 
You said: 
&quot;Property rights are not inviolate. Any concept that property rights are inviolate is the antithesis of a Republic.&quot; 
 
based on notions like: 
&quot;We are angered at the general feeling of oppression, but we argue &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot; as if to not recognize that it is the wealth that buys and controls the government which oppresses us.&quot; 
 
Much of what you said here makes sense, but a lot of it does not.  For instance, a &quot;republic&quot; without property rights is socialism.  That is not a republic.  Individual rights including property rights are at the root of any genuine republic. 
 
Allow me to take issue with some of your notions.   
 
Who is the &quot;we&quot; who argues &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot;???  And to *whose* wealth are you referring when you assign this to &quot;we&quot;? 
 
*WE* are individuals.  I never argue that &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot;, which is distinctly different from property rights, aside from being self-contradictory.  I argue for property rights, not the preservation of ownership of wealth obtained by fraud or theft, such as your statement infers.   
 
Please first understand what property rights are.  Do not equate ill-gotten gains with rightfully gotten gains.   
 
I try to build and preserve my own wealth, modest though it may be.  No one has the right to take any of it from me.  Others do the same.  That is done by the grace of property rights.  There are no contradictions or problems here.  Yet you are concluding that the *assumption* of property rights is invalid since your logic is faulty and goes backwards, from your apparent acceptance of conclusions readily available from THEIR MSM and THEIR schools.  Let us instead start from valid assumptions and work forward. 
 
Whatever rights we have, we ALL have those rights.  (&#8220;Where one man is not free, no man is free&#8221; &#8211; M. L. King, Jr.)  NO ONE (individual, group or govt) has the right to remove / violate the rights of another.  Your right to remove any right of another is his equal right to remove the same from you.  Where does that go?   The ONLY way that anyone loses their OWN rights is to violate the rights of someone else. 
 
If you eliminate property rights in order to remove ill gotten wealth that buys govt favor from the hands that seek that favor, YOU JUST ELIMINATED YOUR CLAIM TO ALL YOUR OWN PROPERTY, and YOUR RIGHT to own any property.  Try living without ANY property. 
 
Due to such misunderstandings, you have evidently accepted as history the nonsense taught by minions of the same people about whom you complain.  Who bought those govt favors?  You call them the &#8220;wealthy&#8221;.  Not all wealth is ill gotten, but some is. 
 
Let us take the example of the Federal Reserve, the root cause of so many problems today.  (Read &#8220;Creature from Jekyll Island&#8221;, G Edward Griffin)  The Fed was sold to us on the claim that the &#8220;free market had failed&#8221;, e.g., the Panic of 1907, and other previous panics / recessions / etc, as though the market, meaning supply and demand, is somehow inherently unstable.  In fact all of those panics resulted from inflating the currency supply via fractional reserve banking, resulting in the inevitable, unavoidable panic, crash and recession, that occurs when people realize that the bank does not have what it claims to have.  (Money is currency, currency is not necessarily money.  &#8220;Paper money&#8221; is not money, it is currency.  Precious metals are money.)  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>You said:<br />
&quot;Property rights are not inviolate. Any concept that property rights are inviolate is the antithesis of a Republic.&quot; </p>
<p>based on notions like:<br />
&quot;We are angered at the general feeling of oppression, but we argue &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot; as if to not recognize that it is the wealth that buys and controls the government which oppresses us.&quot; </p>
<p>Much of what you said here makes sense, but a lot of it does not.  For instance, a &quot;republic&quot; without property rights is socialism.  That is not a republic.  Individual rights including property rights are at the root of any genuine republic. </p>
<p>Allow me to take issue with some of your notions.   </p>
<p>Who is the &quot;we&quot; who argues &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot;???  And to *whose* wealth are you referring when you assign this to &quot;we&quot;? </p>
<p>*WE* are individuals.  I never argue that &quot;wealth must be preserved at all costs&quot;, which is distinctly different from property rights, aside from being self-contradictory.  I argue for property rights, not the preservation of ownership of wealth obtained by fraud or theft, such as your statement infers.   </p>
<p>Please first understand what property rights are.  Do not equate ill-gotten gains with rightfully gotten gains.   </p>
<p>I try to build and preserve my own wealth, modest though it may be.  No one has the right to take any of it from me.  Others do the same.  That is done by the grace of property rights.  There are no contradictions or problems here.  Yet you are concluding that the *assumption* of property rights is invalid since your logic is faulty and goes backwards, from your apparent acceptance of conclusions readily available from THEIR MSM and THEIR schools.  Let us instead start from valid assumptions and work forward. </p>
<p>Whatever rights we have, we ALL have those rights.  (&ldquo;Where one man is not free, no man is free&rdquo; &ndash; M. L. King, Jr.)  NO ONE (individual, group or govt) has the right to remove / violate the rights of another.  Your right to remove any right of another is his equal right to remove the same from you.  Where does that go?   The ONLY way that anyone loses their OWN rights is to violate the rights of someone else. </p>
<p>If you eliminate property rights in order to remove ill gotten wealth that buys govt favor from the hands that seek that favor, YOU JUST ELIMINATED YOUR CLAIM TO ALL YOUR OWN PROPERTY, and YOUR RIGHT to own any property.  Try living without ANY property. </p>
<p>Due to such misunderstandings, you have evidently accepted as history the nonsense taught by minions of the same people about whom you complain.  Who bought those govt favors?  You call them the &ldquo;wealthy&rdquo;.  Not all wealth is ill gotten, but some is. </p>
<p>Let us take the example of the Federal Reserve, the root cause of so many problems today.  (Read &ldquo;Creature from Jekyll Island&rdquo;, G Edward Griffin)  The Fed was sold to us on the claim that the &ldquo;free market had failed&rdquo;, e.g., the Panic of 1907, and other previous panics / recessions / etc, as though the market, meaning supply and demand, is somehow inherently unstable.  In fact all of those panics resulted from inflating the currency supply via fractional reserve banking, resulting in the inevitable, unavoidable panic, crash and recession, that occurs when people realize that the bank does not have what it claims to have.  (Money is currency, currency is not necessarily money.  &ldquo;Paper money&rdquo; is not money, it is currency.  Precious metals are money.)  </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not a crime for the govt to tax something because the constitution allows them to but if the law protects my property and protects everyone&#039;s property from the invasion of others then are we not protected from the supposed ruling elite?  This means I go to bat for a right that everyone has and not just the ruling elite because I have not said that I do not have property rights and only the super rich do.   
 
I think neither of your taxes are fair.   There should be a single flat tax or no income tax of any kind.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not a crime for the govt to tax something because the constitution allows them to but if the law protects my property and protects everyone&#39;s property from the invasion of others then are we not protected from the supposed ruling elite?  This means I go to bat for a right that everyone has and not just the ruling elite because I have not said that I do not have property rights and only the super rich do.   </p>
<p>I think neither of your taxes are fair.   There should be a single flat tax or no income tax of any kind.   </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you think you enjoy unfettered free speech and can say ANYTHING you want ANYTIME you want?   Nope!   So, enter the rules.   Once you have rules to curb abuse for the betterment of a  society, you must now admit that rules and limits CAN make a better society. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think you enjoy unfettered free speech and can say ANYTHING you want ANYTIME you want?   Nope!   So, enter the rules.   Once you have rules to curb abuse for the betterment of a  society, you must now admit that rules and limits CAN make a better society. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, once you start making about $50k or so, you are up in the 28% bracket and still VERY middle class.   If you are so rich that you do not work and all your money comes from capital gains on trades and stock dividends (unearned income), your rate is a mere 15%.   
 
Did you not see the Buffet video I posted on the facebook page of TAC? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, once you start making about $50k or so, you are up in the 28% bracket and still VERY middle class.   If you are so rich that you do not work and all your money comes from capital gains on trades and stock dividends (unearned income), your rate is a mere 15%.   </p>
<p>Did you not see the Buffet video I posted on the facebook page of TAC? </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To both Tim&#039;s. 
 
If you&#039;re Behemoth Corp. and have nationwide business, you still seek profits, do you not?  But what when you are so big that it is harder to grow demand?   People in the US can only drink so many Coca-Colas or afford to buy so many GM cars, or smoke so many cigarettes.    
 
Even though you might try to grow supply, you still look for cost-cutting measures.   If you have regulations from each of the states, that means you have 50-sets of regulations.  Some tend to be a little more &quot;pro consumer&quot; than you might prefer.   So what do you do? 
 
You go to Washington!   There, you can go through one channel and one set of laws!  You have your laws made in Washington because (1) it is cheaper and easier to buy 1 legislature as opposed to 50 legislatures, and (2) you can get a one-size fits all law that sets the standard pretty much the way you want it.  Now, to get this standard, you have to have some regulation against yourself.  You can&#039;t overtly have the legislature give it all away.   So, you put some regulations in there - ones that are okay by you.   Cost-effective ones that protect profits and operate to PREEMPT any state from passing contrary laws that might screw your game. 
 
Tim:   Why did the rich lobby for health care?    It&#039;s a mandate to buy a product.   As an attorney, I&#039;d LOVE to lobby for a law that said, &quot;Though shalt always keep attorneys on retainer just in case.&quot; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To both Tim&#039;s. </p>
<p>If you&#039;re Behemoth Corp. and have nationwide business, you still seek profits, do you not?  But what when you are so big that it is harder to grow demand?   People in the US can only drink so many Coca-Colas or afford to buy so many GM cars, or smoke so many cigarettes.    </p>
<p>Even though you might try to grow supply, you still look for cost-cutting measures.   If you have regulations from each of the states, that means you have 50-sets of regulations.  Some tend to be a little more &quot;pro consumer&quot; than you might prefer.   So what do you do? </p>
<p>You go to Washington!   There, you can go through one channel and one set of laws!  You have your laws made in Washington because (1) it is cheaper and easier to buy 1 legislature as opposed to 50 legislatures, and (2) you can get a one-size fits all law that sets the standard pretty much the way you want it.  Now, to get this standard, you have to have some regulation against yourself.  You can&#039;t overtly have the legislature give it all away.   So, you put some regulations in there &#8211; ones that are okay by you.   Cost-effective ones that protect profits and operate to PREEMPT any state from passing contrary laws that might screw your game. </p>
<p>Tim:   Why did the rich lobby for health care?    It&#039;s a mandate to buy a product.   As an attorney, I&#039;d LOVE to lobby for a law that said, &quot;Though shalt always keep attorneys on retainer just in case.&quot; </p>
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