Comments on: Maybe Now they will Listen

By: Monorprise

Monorprise — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:45:17 +0000

@banter2345 To some not so insignificant degree I believe you are sadly correct banter. But by the same logic more local, less moneyed elections would be more honest elections. Thus while we may be unable to resist by Washington our local tools may be our most viable if any.

By: Monorprise

Monorprise — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:26:28 +0000

@banter2345
If we are able to get enough states together to make such a move politically & practically viable, we could further enhance Washington’s depends upon the consent of the governed by making political posturing against repaying the debt.

While the federalist has seen to it that the Constitution requires us to honor their debt, it does not require us to honor the debt with a meaningful currency or the existing currency devaluation would be deemed unconstitutional. (Uses their own twisted rules against them) Anther way is to take a strict interpretation of the Federal Constitution, and deem the various loans taken out for non-defense or otherwise enumerated propose to be invalid.

In any case all we must do is put some doubt in the minds of investors as to whether or not we will faithfully honor the debt to them. Doubt raises interest rates and as you know the interest on existing debt already takes up a sizeable chunk of the Federal revenue stream.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:38:55 +0000

@banter2345 Voting in a corrupt system certaninly is, correct the system because it is yoursw to correct.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:37:44 +0000

@banter2345 Yes this would be good, but first what force will cause this to happen in you corrupt state? Most of these are financed by the same ecorrupt.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:33:35 +0000

@banter2345 What works is choice and effort of all choices, who are the deciding is the question you need to answer to you. A Patition is only as good as those deciding it, learn to live with this fact. Independence was decided my friend. I would really inspect that for genuine content.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:30:34 +0000

@InalienableWrights You are absolutely correct, this activity will assist in cordinating all decision making, think about it.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:29:10 +0000

@TimReeves @WilliamSchooler It is not Government we use, it is choice we use to reclaim such an entity that has been stolen from us. Standing requires knowledge of where we are going and this amendment is where those of us who decide are going. Nothing on earth takes place without choice and the Governing are not the choice makers, WE the People are the choice makers, we are simply reclaiming this act to ourselves. The 10nth amandment is only in affect when we stand and decide it and not until then. This empowers our own choice to deliver us the goods, the sovereignty to us as states and individuals within these states. Numbers are everything and the decision in numbers is the force of all activity. The people behind present Government have known this all along, it is us who have been missing this part. “Show me” anything on this plant that took place by man without choice.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:20:36 +0000

Here is the responsibility to you by you in your own stand for you.
http://www.change.org/petitions/each-of-the-50-sovereign-state-governments-of-the-united-states-amend-the-u-s-constitution-by-ratifying-the-reclamation-amendment

By: banter2345

banter2345 — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:02:47 +0000

One thing we need to push for at the State level along with nullification laws is a statute that proclaims, if the federal government does not relinquish the rights back to the States that it has usurped, the State will withhold ALL tax money from going to the federal government. After all, this was the last remedy that was proscribed by the Founders to counter this type of tyranny.

“If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility.”

1774, Journals of the Continental Congress,1:105-113 [emphasis added]

Imagine the feds scrambling to secure more loans from debtors around the world who are already owed so much… It would be priceless.

By: banter2345

banter2345 — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:47:02 +0000

@WilliamSchooler Petitions don’t work. They can just wad them up and toss them. You have to have protests and get in their face. Only when they really feel threatened of loosing their cushy little “jobs” do they do anything that benefits us.