Where do you stand? I found an exchange between some people on the topic and thought it was addressed quite well. The contents (with typos and grammar errors) are left in the original. The Pro-Voter is in a bold font. The Anti-Voter is in a normal font. It was an interesting exchange.
Sometimes we have to make a choice between the “lesser of evils”.
Everyone should remember though that rarely if ever is such a choice actually mandatory. For example, if faced with being asked to choose Evil A or Evil B, I like to choose “Neither,” because it keeps my self-esteem, self-worth and integrity in 100% tact. And those three things are more valuable by far than being a tool for someone else to use on the end of a stick. This is one application of the idea of Wei Wu Wei – action without action. It is immensely powerful. Leave others to soil themselves with disrespect – keep your hands clean from filth. You will be greatly rewarded.
Great idea and certainly “worthy” but I’ve voted in EVERY election since I was old enough to vote and not once have I seen “none of the above” as a choice.
I do think that the “none of the above” would at times be a good choice though. It would be interesting to see how many elections resulted in “nobody” because all of the candidates just sucked.
I would also like to know how many (if any) “write in” votes have elected anyone.
Correct. They don’t permit you the choice of “none of the above” on the ballot. You must take your own (non) action, to fully express your own integrity and values, and that will most likely mean not following all the sheep into the little booth. It’s not for everyone, I understand. I resisted for quite some time, and allowed myself to be trained to respond to the command “vote.” 40 years of training is hard to break. One day, I decided to resist that command. It was as liberating as anything I’ve ever done or learned. Lesson is clear: Integrity is self made. It is under attack at all times by the system of training and conditioning. If they make me respond by to their command by voting (giving my personal approval) to a candidate who is a scum bag that I would’nt hire to sweep a floor, or who I wouldn’t trust holding my money, then they have made me soil myself. Any and all consequences of that act are then on my conscience, reflecting on my values. I won’t have it. They can piss themselves – I won’t.
Now, if there would be some candidate on some ballot at some time who I admire, trust, respect and find competent for the position, I would lend my “vote of approval.” But, that hasn’t happened on the national level in a long time.
One of the reasons fast food hamburgers are greasy as heck is that we keep buying them. Same for candidates. As long as you keep voting for them, they will be as greasy as heck. Don’t worry too much about not voting. The sun will come up the next day and life goes on just fine. No, better than fine. I guarantee you will feel exhilerated.
Then they have won. A politician told me the secret to winning the election, its not with the independent vote but the lack of independant vote. You break the sides between democrat and republican. You know your base (the ones that will vote for you no matter if you shot someone) and you know their base. If you have a bigger base you clearly do not want the independent vote clamoring it up. You want to mudsling and run negative ads to make sure the independent vote and people on the fringe do not come out to vote (because they are wildcards) so by not entering the vote, you thus have succeeded in their campaign to get you not to vote.
That analysis is based on viewing voting as a duty. The proper analysis of voting is by outcomes. Let me be first very specific. In your analysis above, the outcome is that a Republican or a Democrat wins the election. Since both are servants to the same corruption, I have accomplished nothing by voting, and I have received no quid pro quo.
In the current environment let’s consider all the possibilities. They include: Obama, Gingrich, Romney, Paul, Santorum and I don’t know – a few others too. As a voter then, the only possible ultimate outcome (in November) is that one of those cretons will become the next president. How does that reward me? There’s not a name on that list which doesn’t elicit revulsion to me. There’s no one on that list that is going to accomplish anything I value in the way of national policy. What will happen though is that I will invest in an outcome by pulling some lever, and when that outcome doesn’t happen I will be disappointed. Or worse, harmed!
I know a few people who were deeply, deeply suckered by Obama. People who bought the whole enchilada and invested in the dream. They are sufffering real psychological damage right now. They have been duped. It’s a torpedo to your self worth. You made a huge blunder – you voted for a scoundrel. Well, I am not too much the kind of guy that rubs it in with them, but I have reminded them that I warned them 6 months before the election not to fall in. They accused me of being a cynic. Well, today I feel fine and they are hurting.
The big disconnect here is about the big picture. People look out there and they see the Rs and Ds, and debates, and newsmen, and programs, and talkshows, and political speeches, and think it is some sort of a legitimate civil process – aka democracy. If they could get the 50,000 foot view of what is really happening, they’d learn (you can’t be told, you have to learn) that it is a full-on charade. A means of pacifying the population and keeping them in line with a certain kind of program. Yes, it matters to some degree in some ways which moron gets the nod. But not in important ways. Rivers of wealth were flowing into a certain pot during Bush era, and those rivers have kept flowing and even increasing under Obama, and they will still be flowing under the next guy. The police state was growing under Bush, continued to grow ever more under Obama, and will continue even more under the next guy. If you can’t get high enough up to see the trends, the flows, the momentum, the way the program works, you will keep marching into the little booth and pulling the rubber handle on command.
Here’s what they don’t want anyone to learn. You don’t need the system, it needs you.
Everything in your life is designed to keep you from understanding that simple point. Schools, jobs, advertising, TV, news, politicians, government, elections, newspapers, pundits ,talkshow hosts, people who play judges on TV, and so on. They rely on YOU.
When you do not [vote], you have no one to blame for things not going the way you wished it to be.
That’s absolutely false. Corruption and lying and cheating and theft can and should be called out by anyone at any time. Voting is not a permission slip to criticize wrongdoing. My responsibility as a member of society is to treat others right, avoid doing harm to people, contribute to the betterment of life, be helpful and charitable to others, and be a good steward of the commons. It is my duty to call out corruption and crime when and where I see, not VOTE IT INTO AN OFFICE as an enabler! That’s an absurd concept.
Suppose you get captured into a system not of your design. Suppose they tell you that it is the rule that you must procreate. And suppose they offer you a dog and monkey and command you to choose one with which to copulate. Would you feel a duty to copulate with a monkey? If you chose “none of the above” to copulate with, would you keep your mouth shut, because since you haven’t chosen one to copulate with you have no right to complain?
I didn’t create or design this system. I was born into it. You could just as well say captured into it. I am under no obligation to perpetuate corruption based on the corrupt placing a demand on me to enable it, endorse it, and approve of it.
Jeff Matthews [send him email] is a practicing attorney in Houston. He graduated from the University of Texas, School of Law in 1993 and was licensed that year.
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Interesting take and yes you were born into a broken system only the broken system is allowed and is not resisted because acceptance is 9/10th the law. Yet what is the participation to rid yourself of such a menace and is there one for that matter.
Yes there is a plan in a broken system but first we need to identify the real broken. My next suggestion not the polite one but is the honest one. Look in the mirror, is that you? Are you capable of achievement? What else are you capable of ?
How do we challenge supposed authority and when I say supposed is because they THINK they are authority but what fruits do they bare that supports this? Who the hell is your authority is a great question to answer to YOU.
To me it becomes funny because so many of us are clueless of how able we actually are. How do I defy some other authority, first I have to recognize this authority for what it truly is and not what it perceives itself to be. What on earth is the difference? answer this question.
Then what is integrity? Total honesty to myself or only the pieces I choose to be? Next is the willingness to explore real answers and decide for yourself based on what you have learned.
One, I do not settle for less that I am, if no other can be shown I refuse them, I attempt dispute as well acts of defiance by challenging what they perceive and not what I am sure of. My choices are well defined by certain truths that do not waiver on any grounds which is total integrity.
Two, know your destination, to understand who decides and Three, know the foundation or principals from which you stand and deliver acts that support these. Recognize others who support these efforts. Do the efforts collide are are they parallel, how would you know if you know no destination?
Education to ourselves our best education, deliver the best, be the best, know your the best life has to offer, now ready up pilgrim your behind.
I’m also disenchanted with the establishment candidates and the media’s insistance that we vote for someone that can win as opposed to the best candidate. I hate that they continue to marginalize Ron Paul who is the only candidate who is offering real change.
If anyone other than Paul wins the nomination then I may not vote. My only hesitation being the importance of not getting Obamacare entrenched which will happen if Obama wins re-election.
By continuing to vote for candidates that we don’t believe in, we own the results which obviously have not been good and leave people with the feeling that it doesn’t matter which party you vote for because the results are pretty much the same.
The arguments given for not voting in the article assume that there is no redeeming value or difference between the two candidates which is not likely to be the case. I for example am pro-life and so even if the fiscal policies of Bush and Obama were the same, the fact that Bush limited the funding of abortions is a distinction that is worth voting for and in most cases there is something that’s worth voting for. The problem for me is determining at what point is it worth throwing the baby out with the bath water.
@jmoor4 Voting for anyone other than Dr. Paul is voting for Obama-care as any of the other candidate will continue with the status quo.
@DanielHoyt@jmoor4
I know Ron Paul is the correct candidate too, but I know it and my choice is informed thus my certainty about such a choice. People should work to be informed and not take your word for it by the status quo argument because first you have to know what that is, meaning you have to do your research.
no its not a good choice…RON PAUL IS THE ONLY WAY AT THIS TIME!!! ITS COMMON SENSE SOMETHING THIS DAMN COUNTRY LACKS!!!
Did you miss the fact, Thomas E Calabrese III – that this is a general discussion about principles – and specifically mentioned that “at times” it would be a good choice?
Some would argue, Bonnie Comfort, that just pulling a lever every few years is worse than doing nothing.
Sure they do, Bonnie Comfort, but that’s not the point we just made. We’re saying that JUST pulling a lever ain’t doing the trick.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
Voting for lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
I see that and in current times (which we should be concerned about)we need to save OUR country before we have no more opportunities… I’m disgusted with our government…
Edmund Burke
We shouldn’t ever have to choose between the lesser of two evils. They have use duped into thinking that there is only two parties. Really, that isn’t the case, and if we could all come together, those of us who feel left out of the process, who feel cheated by the electoral college, then I say PUSH for the third party in your area! Make CERTAIN that they’re on the ballots! Do not have your Constitutional Right to vote denied!
Yes it would be noice. I am sick and tired or writing in Bozo the Clown
@Bonnie well 4 yrs of the devil we know or possibly 8 yrs of the devil we do not know
I will never NEVER EVER vote for the lesser of two evils again!! I understand the arguments, but we must stand on PRINCIPLE. Our founding fathers stood on Principle and we must start doing just that. I will write in a ‘constitutional conservative’ before I vote for Obama, Gingrich, Romney, Santorium, or Perry. All are EVIL and violate the constitution. The are not statesmen. They flip flop. They speak out of both sides of their mouth. They are all for BIG GOV’t. They just take this country down the right fork of the same road the DEMS and NEOCONS have us on now. Ron Paul, however has voted principle for over 20 years. They say he has only passed 1 legislation. HOGWASH. He has impact. Yes only one passed, but who is talking about the FED today? EVERONE!! He foresaw and announced the bubbles and financial collapses in 2002 or 3. He has rallied the grassroots all over America. His non compromise on principle is paying off today. If more of us would never vote for the lesser of two evils (translation — continue down the same corrupt liberal Big Gov’t road) we could make impact over time. Ron Paul sure has!! TRUTH always wins out in the end. Compromise only gives up.
We will all be judged for all our actions, including who we vote for. Vote for the candidate who best represents your beliefs and ideals. If there is no one on the ballot who you are comfortable supporting then don’t vote (in that race).
The presidential election is not the only one on the ballot.
people with attitude will be why Obama gets reelected. Vote against Obama no matter who it is.
That was an awesome article! I had to laugh at the ‘copulate with a monkey’ bit…
“None of the above” really needs to be an option. Seating a representative that earned 8% of the vote when 74% went to ‘None of the above’ would eliminate the implicit consent of ‘the governed’.
If you stand up and say that Stalin or Mao is less evil than Hitler or Kahn, you’re still supporting and AGREEING WITH evil and will be held to account.
The filing of fore-closure against the FED Jan 15 2012, will determine who ,if any of the people running for President will be at the Conventions…….
Bonnie, the quote you’re looking for is by Edmund Burke.
“All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
He also said, “The tyranny of a multitude is a multiplied tyranny.”
200 million well-meaning sheep voting for a tyrant are tyrants. I’d rather vote for nothing than be a tyrant.
<——hates it when folks tell ME what I'm agreeing with.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Vote for who you WANT to vote for. Don’t vote out of fear.
So basically we’re saying if you don’t like either candidate, don’t vote. What does that accomplish? Nothing.
If we’re not happy with our government, our duty, as Americans, is to change it. Obviously, we are unable to accomplish that using the current process, but ONLY because the people who choose to run for office do so not out of a sense of duty to their country, but for power.
Until good men and women, of good moral character and a sense of duty stand up and find a way to convince the masses that they are the right choice, nothing will change. This needs to happen at all levels, not just Federal.
As for Ron Paul, I like a lot of what he says, but he’s got two problems. First, he’s too “radical” for even Republicans, much less Independents and disaffected Democrats. Second, even if he did get elected, Congress would accomplish nothing while he was in office, because they would never present him with a bill that he would consider worthy of becoming law, so he would veto everything. If they happen to have the votes needed to override a veto, then having him in office will have almost no impact. If he stands by his principles, then he won’t negotiate with Congress, because he won’t have anything to give them.
This country is a mess. I think “None of the Above” should be on every ballot at every level. If “None of the Above” wins the election, new candidates must be presented and we vote again in 90 days. We keep this up until we actually have someone worthy in office.
I agree with you Jon, only I think you left something very important out. No one can run for office unless they have a lot of money behind them. Good men and women who want to run for office can’t cause they don’t have the financial backing and the powers that be won’t allow good men and women to run.
It looks like the choice or dilemma will come down between managed decline versus violent collapse.
How many times have I said the lessor of two evils is still evil.
Been voting since I was 18(51 now), will not be voting this year.
I’m writing in Ron Paul. The last time I wrote in Ralph Nader..but except for his call for impeachment of Obama because of Libya..he seems to have quietly come back to the fold.