“I love George Washington. Except for his Foreign Policy.”

@BR549

My apologies on Bob, I have made a few response to Bob as well.

So what you do not cause things to take place and study them to become great at them?. You do not evaluate the things you read by testing these ideas? No evaluation and validation practices?

I do, I learn a lot by my experiences and my findings have been awesome. My best study has been me, my discovery that I am life and good choices are based on such a fact and when they are not poor choices are made.

So what ever me all you want is your choice, if you cannot get past your own limits I fully understand but please keep in mind who that is and when another has stepped out side the normal box look at it or don’t but I recognize all the old practices I used to have and refuse any that got us here. It is a process of being honest to me by recognizing my own stupidity and replacing it with intelligence.

Who is BR549? Hello, I am William Schooler A Producing American both by trade and philosophy, a practice utilized to get things done.

@WilliamSchooler "...... but what you refuse to allow me is that I refuse to allow them to continue by refusing to use there pathetic teachings and learn my own," Huh? Whatever.

You can do whatever you want; I'm not stopping you. And who the hell is Bob?

@BR549

What most of us didn't know was that since the 1930, at least, there was legislation that ACTUALLY PASSED that surreptitiously undermined that common American belief because corrupt legislators were being coerced by families like the Rockefellers and Carnegies and that the American public should get used to adopting a more Communist way of living, according to Andrew Carnegie.

This statement here is a great example to point this out, that idiots have more authority than I do because I don’t know my own foundation and principals makes me a ninny correct? Keeps me powerless, lifeless, unable to stand on my own two feet correct?

See I agree they did in fact manipulate our system but what you refuse to allow me is that I refuse to allow them to continue by refusing to use there pathetic teachings and learn my own, and learn from my founders of such an Independence. Awe yes the bedrock to my very own authority, thank goodness I have not decided to give this up like so many ready to accept defeat.

I realize Bob this is something you are not aware of or used to but this is why I am here to help point the way, to point to the path of least resistance by that which was already passed down to us. It was us that refused to acknowledge its full existence. Don't take it personal please just realize some of us are finding our way through the muck left before us to restore this Republic to be stronger than ever before. All achievements are done by people like you and I, not from acceptance but from great understanding and informed decision making and with that we can and will change the world by our own hands. To think this is an impossibility is to accept defeat and allow tyranny to rule you and I REFUSE!

@WilliamSchooler "You attempt to convince me you are unable to stand up and fight?"

Really. How did you ever come to that conclusion?

@WilliamSchooler "Treason is only allowed by your acceptance as well mine ...." Sadly, that is not the case. I may endeavor, as did many others over the decades, to elevate our educational system to become the global standard. What most of us didn't know was that since the 1930, at least, there was legislation that ACTUALLY PASSED that surreptitiously undermined that common American belief because corrupt legislators were being coerced by families like the Rockefellers and Carnegies and that the American public should get used to adopting a more Communist way of living, according to Andrew Carnegie.

So, that dream of working one's way up the capitalism ladder was OK to a point, so long as too many people didn't get on that ladder and challenge the position of the hard core elite.

@BR549

BR549 I am fully aware of the manipulation of our system but to sit here and put them on some pedestal because they think they are smarter than I is truly the lie your not facing. You have the ability to question and defy stupidity. Trust me when I tell you I am at it constant.

Treason is only allowed by your acceptance as well mine and this is what we refuse to learn. do not tell me criminals are more capable than I, this is a lie. There are just more of them constant in a treasonous direction and here we are doubting ourselves. This is nonsense and if you have accomplished anything in this life you should know full well you very much can. First figure out how you did it the first time and then figure out what your attempting to accomplish now.

The confusion is only ours if we do not get it my friend.

Know a Republic and then deliver a Republic over the top of the idiots because they are not that bright and actually fear you should you stand up and use what you do not and stop using what they gave you and that was their ignorance.

@WilliamSchooler Easy. First you look at Iserbyt's material. Charlotte was Reagan's first term Senior Policy Advisor for the Office of Educational Research and Improvement. It was the decades worth of federal legislation that she uncovered that she attempted to bring to light. This isn't just some idea I had, or that she had; this was, as she said, a deliberate attempt to downgrade the level of critical thinking in the American population while all these goody-two-shoes were talking America up as being the best in the world.

It is treason, flat and simple, and those traitors left a paper trail.

@BR549@WilliamSchooler Thanks! I already have the book in PDF. I was looking to see if it was on American Deception to let others here know. I wasn't aware of the link you posted. It might have been a good idea to put it in your first message.

@phreedomphan@WilliamSchooler There seems to be some glitch in my directly posting a link here, but try a cut paste with this:

www.deliberatedumbingdown.com

OMG LMAO!!!! phreedomphan, you put things so well here! @phreedomphan @RHill @JamesP.Delaney @Mike Maharrey

@RHill@PamMcDermott@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey Most people are not aware of the real threat Saddam posed to the U.S. He had assembled a secret fleet of 30,000 pontoon equipped camels, each capable of carrying a short range missile launcher and one missle. He had amassed enough firepower to destroy most of the boardwalks on our East Coast with the possibility of severe damage to some casinos. This is the real reason Donald Trump ordered Bush to attack Iraq.

Most of those camels, along with their drivers (sailors?) escaped to Iran giving us full justification for an attack on that country before it becomes a threat to The Donald..

Is it not strange the way Mr. Delaney uses terms that are left quite undefined, forcing us to deduce their meaning solely from surrounding context? He does not respond by asking for a concise definition of non-interventionism. Instead, he calls non-interventionism 'isolationist', even after being corrected. You are spot on, Pam. An attitude of respect (even if not returned) and free trade (even if not reciprocated) is not isolationist in any conceivable sense. It maybe foolish economically, politically or militarily - which James Delaney has not argued - but it is not a course that isolates it adherents politically, socially or economically. So what is he even talking about??

Judging from past discussions with closed-minded individuals that cut and run when the questions get too difficult for them, 'isolationist' means that we do not force our will on others based on perceived threats that may or may not have any basis in reality. We act with violence, or the threat thereof, and sanctions upon even the implied possibility of a threat. And even then, the implied nature may not even be coming from the target of our force. It may come from disgruntled expatriates who give us false intelligence to further their own ends - which was done in the case of Iraq when much of the information that we based our intelligence of Saddam's WMD's was garnered from such shady sources. And yet, Mr. Delaney claims Ron Paul's foreign policy is naive? Absurd in the extreme! @PamMcDermott @JamesP.Delaney @Mike Maharrey

Please understand, Mr. Delaney that you're blanketing together all factions of Islam. This is quite like doing the same to all of Christian faith, and we all know what vast differences there are between fundamentalists and unitarians. Respecting others and engaging in fair trade with them is not isolationist thinking. @JamesP.Delaney @RHill @Mike Maharrey

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

What we have met is not an impasse, but a lack of engagement on your part.

So be it.

@phreedomphan@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

Dittos to you, my friend. Bye.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

Wow! That's some ego you have, Jim. You seem to think I went to all that trouble measuring just to refute you. As I said, I measured it last week. That was before your post.

You say you are “a thoroughly Constitution-first patriot.” Maybe. But I've been fighting the globalist and regionalist bastards for close to forty years and their speech is liberally sprinkled with comments about the world getting smaller or shrinking as an excuse to get more involved in the affairs of others while they work to dismantle our borders – internal as well as external. We've also heard all the rhetoric through the Bush and Obama administration attempting to justify military action against any who don't goosestep to our music by calling it “preventive.” We “bombed Iraq into the stone age to “prevent” Saddam's use of the WMDs he didn't have, and now it appears we're getting ready to do the same to Iran as a measure to “prevent” that country from developing imaginary nuclear weapons. Of course, all of this is the product of “progressive” or “forward” thinking.

I don't have your ego, Jim, so I'm not going to suggest you sat all night with your dictionary just to concoct an answer to me. I believe that's your technique. When I fought on the front lines against regionalism, the enemy's weapon was high sounding but meaningless rhetoric served with a large helping of dictionary pudding designed to make their specious arguments more palatable. Since then, I've been very suspicious of people who flower their writing with ten cent words where nickel words will do.

@RHill@Mike Maharrey

It appears we've met an impasse. Just toying with nuance and words now. You have your opinion, an opinion heavily tainted, I believe, with isolationism and idealism. I have mine, also supported by a host of credible "experts". In any event, I cannot support Paul's candidacy, not because of his excellent economic policies but because of what I believe are his astonishingly shortsighted foreign policy. So, end of discussion. I think we both have something better to do. Good luck.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

That you would see no distinctions between Shiite and Sunni Islam in regard to our present circumstances is quite telling to me. You admit that our foreign policy has been 'rife' with mistakes... and yet, Ron Paul's foreign policy is fundamentally in error? What foreign policy do you advocate? A "rigidly practical" foreign policy? A platoon of questions arise form such a statement. Is there no other guiding principle above what is rigidly practical? If there is, what principle would that be? Why is a policy of non-interventionism (NOT "Isolationist", as you so foolishly refer) impractical? Is Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's bin Laden Unit impractical when he agrees that we are targets of Islamic Jihad because of our foreign policy and the effects those policies have on Muslims? Is that an impractical position because it is factually in error? But if the expert Scheuer is correct, then is not insanely practical to assume that if it is American interventionist policies that are motivating Islamic terrorist, then removing the irritant of American interventions will lower tensions and rob the Jihadist of their main recruiting platform?

Do human beings volunteer as suicide attackers for no reason other than the metaphysical propositions of Islam, and Allah's promise of paradise and 72 perpetual virgins, or is it much more likely that what motivates Muslim suicide attackers is a sense that they are under attack from the West, and the United States in particular? Is it not odd that throughout the 1980's the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran called for a Holy War against the United States and absolutely nothing significant happened? And isn't it equally odd that Khomeini did not justify this Jihad based on our behavior in foreign policy, but in our culture and way of life... and yet, nothing happened? And isn't it all the more curious that the suicide attacks only began in full after the United States took up positions in Islamic territory, attacked a Muslim country and proceeded to stay on scene indefinitely?

The foreign policy that is impractical is yours. It ignores both historical realities and basic human nature. And I would add that any foreign policy that seeks to be practical would at least try to understand the enemy and what motivates them. Your "Sunni/Shiite" comment is very telling indeed.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

Certainly, if a democratically elected government is endangering American life and Liberty, then appropriately is how they should be dealt with. But that hardly answers my question. I said nothing about any threat, attack or hostility. In fact, Iran posed no threat whatsoever when our foreign policy choice was to engage in subterfuge and enslave a nation under the rule of our favored dictator. And this was done in the name of security!It was done under the pretense that it was a new world, a world of a dangerous rival who had the bomb... and supposed designs on Middle-Eastern oil. Does this justify such sin?

No time, a three year old needs my attention. Plenty more to come...

@RHill@Mike Maharrey

I think we've strayed considerably from the subject of this post, so let's stop chasing our respective tails. Suffice it to say that US foreign policy, like foreign policy everywhere, has been rife with miscalucations and errors even when conducted by so-called brilliant or high-minded practitioners. My point is that we must not be unwittingly isolationist or faithfully attempt to hitch our wagons to an anachronistic 18th century foreign policy approach in the 21st century. For me anyway, that is abundantly obvious. We have to deal with the reality which surrounds us. at any given time. Also, Islamists are Islamists whether Sunni or Shiite, Iranian or Saudi. And, frankly, I couldn't care less if a gov't is "democratically" elected or not, e.g. Hamas. If a threat, they should be dealt with appropirately. Finally, in foreign policy we must be rigidly practical. I've nothing more to add.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

I hardly see we we are in agreement. By no means was I even trying to imply that our foreign policy ( 'forward leaning'?) is the sole cause of our economic condition. On the other hand, you do lay the blame for this financial meltdown in one singular place, while seemingly disregarding the expensive cost of our foreign policy course of the previous decades. I do not. There is plenty of blame to go around. Furthermore, I believe that our foreign policy is a sign of the erosion of our moral fiber.

Who wishes to base our foreign policy on wishful thinking? Weren't you the one who complained earlier about another posters comment concerning your position being hyperbolic and inaccurate? This applies to you as well. It is pure nonsense.

Iranian Jihadists? The form of Islam we have been attacked by was Sunni, not Shia Islam. Yet we rattle the saber over Iran and its nuclear program. They will not go quietly away, in no small measure because of the very policies you apparently advocate. And why should they?

I have known dozens of Iranians in my life, and none where even the least bit hostile towards the United States, other than for the way the United States has behaved towards Iran for 50 plus years.

A question: Does a 'forward leaning' foreign policy actively participate in the overthrow of democratically elected foreign heads of state and install dictatorial monarchs who are fond of secret police and torture? Is that okay in your book? This is a serious question that truly seeks an answer from you. Thank you for your time.

@RHill@Mike Maharrey

On balance, I believe we're in agreement. I would say, however, that our situation today is all the more precarious owing to the nature of the potentially catastrophic threats looming over us, both from within and without. Also, to lay the blame for our economic woes on a forward-leaning foreign policy alone is way off the mark. I lay that squarely at the feet of a profligate & corrosive Progressivism which has all but eviscerated our Constitution, our economic system and our moral fiber.

Also, a US foreign policy based on wishful thinking and an incautious disengagement is not a solution.

Finally, to realistically expect Jihadists in Iran to quietly go into the night and squabble among themselves without posing a nuclear threat to us and our allies is terribly misguided.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey

Our position today is also quite precarious. Furthermore, our foreign policy has only exacerbated the bleak economic circumstances we face. We can ill afford to be drawn into internal squabbles in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and any number of other places. The founders feared the unforeseen consequences of foreign meddling. Human nature is no different today than in their time. And human nature has more to do with a sound foreign policy than what time it is in historical terms. Past wisdom is still valid wisdom, or it was never wisdom to begin with.

For example, having studied Islam and Islamic culture for the last several years, it seems to me that when left to itself, Islamic society is far more interested in their own internal squabbles than with spreading Islam, subjecting infidels or offensive Jihad of any kind. The current mindset of the Islamic Jihadist we face is one that is defensive in nature. This is a defensive Jihad. It is a war to expel foreign invaders and their puppet regimes. Ron Paul's foreign policy (and Washington's wisdom) would serve us well.

"Today, the exigencies of potential catastrophic nuclear and terrorist threats...requires a more forward-leaning, albeit catious, balanced and sensible approach."

Absolutely... that's why Ron Paul's foreign policy (and that of the founders) makes perfect sense, even now.

@phreedomphan@Mike Maharrey

Your hyperbolic and inaccurate characterization of my remarks is unhelpful. My comments can in no way be construed as supporting a US foreign policy entailing "bombing everyone who doesn't agree with us."

Also "shrinking world" is metaphorical. That means figurative, allegorical, emblematic--obviously not a physical reality. That said, I am nonetheless awed by your having actually tken the time to measure the circumference of the earth with your ruler in order to disprove my "shrinking world" theory. Very impressive! You must be exhausted.

@JamesP.Delaney@Mike Maharrey I don't quite understand how bombing everyone who doesn't agree with us back into the stone age is "forward-leaning." As far as a "shrinking world" is concerned, I measured it with a ruler last week and it's still about 25,000 miles in circumference at the equator.

I have read your blog as well as examined the nwo map. I must say, you come from a very dedicated and knowledgeable place. I remain very sincerely impressed. I will comment further on this later. @phreedomphan @WilliamSchooler

@phreedomphan

Thank you phreedomphan,

Always remember ignorance sticks out the most and your my shining star. Simple english is too tough for you I get it, thanks for sharing.

@WilliamSchooler You're a laugh riot, William. Maybe if you sent me what you're smoking, I could better understand what you're writing. Anyway, I have no more time to give real world facts to counter metaphysical and/or drug induced hallucinations from a fantasy world. Rant on, but rant on alone.

@phreedomphan

Phreedomplan,

I have no doubt most the time you have no clue what I communicate. That is a habit formed by you my friend not by me. Maybe because it is your popular attitude and lack of listening or duplicating since it is written.

Pathetic intimidation technics don't work with me so you can keep wasting energy if you wish after all it is yours.

Since I work every day to drudge through the crap hole I am proof positive one can prevail by what I use and yes I recognize you don't but thats not that uncommon with those who are used to telling versus the art of listening we get it.

As for history I have read my fare share but I view it far different than you and I am entirely aware of the pathetic individuals for which you speak. Only the difference between me and you is I look down on their pathetic asses and you look up to them, while saying please don't hurt me master.

If you say you accepted Thomas Jefferson’s statement then you would know full well it is the lie they bread and so many accept that gives them power. But then that comes from a producing American who has tested other ideas like the focus on demand of product versus all the dollars and cents. See while you were sitting there reading I have been testing limits so don't blame me for being this way, I am proud of what I have done so far. Its totally ok I am not as perfect as you because I love the fact I am flawed and can still learn unlike those who already know it all so they cannot accept anything new, trust me I get it. Please don't be mad just get over it man, I understand you are done and I refuse to stop.

I already know well where the bottom is so there is only one direction for me and I am totally fine with it.

Positive thinking, is that new age or old crap? I refuse to be like you and work hard only to be me. Man that is so individual isn’t it?

@WilliamSchooler (continuation)

I don't know how much history you've read, but I suspect you should read more. Not the “official” version, but that written by the folks that were fighting the New World Order in any of its forms. Many were brilliant people who certainly “knew themselves” but all their efforts have done little more over the centuries than slow the progress of tyranny.

If you come up with any positive action plan to replace the “Power of Positive Thinking” ideas,I'd love to read those plans. For the most part, Positive Thinking has been promoted by hucksters who, to sell their books, tell everyone they can be the president of the corporation they work for, knowing full well that they sell a lot more books than there are openings at the top.

After years of fighting and years of aging, I'm definitely suffering from battle fatigue, but that doesn't mean I've given up completely. It does mean that I'm not listening to any magical, mystical will power claims as answers to the problem.

In closing, you said, "For the record money is not power but rather the lie you keep accepting as power." I guess that's because I'm a dummy who's accepted the beliefs of the dummy of 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson, who believed that banks having the power to control our money supply were more dangerous to liberty than standing armies.

@WilliamSchooler

William, you ask, “What makes me so sure and you so in question?” I'm coming from experience and knowledge of what has been going on for centuries, usually put in place over the bodies of those who thought knowing themselves was an armor that could stop arrows and bullets. I've accumulated that knowledge and experience over the years since the 1960's.

I must confess that most of the time I have no idea what you are talking about. It sounds like some sort of metaphysical, new age rambling to me. My guess is that you are coming from a standpoint of the naivete of someone who has never stood on the front lines fighting anything TPTB really wants. Sometimes they will put up a facade of opposition to get you to “demand” what they want.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that you never had the media telling everyone that your side had no proof of its “claims,” while the arguments of the gang promoting Big Bro's plans were treated like gospel although they had nothing but rhetoric to support their outright lies. You probably didn't have a reporter from the local rag that was dissing you come to your house for an interview, but refuse to look at the documentation you had laid out for him. You probably never had to yell at your wife for not using coupons after you'd dumped many hundreds of dollars in the hat to get something published. In one instance, I paid the full $400 for an ad in a local advertiser. It was credited with being a major factor in beating the bastards. BTW, that was 1970's dollars.

I could have used the time and money I spent delaying the plans of TPTB taking care of my family, but I always said, “One day my daughter will ask me, 'Daddy, why do I always have to do what the government wants? Why can't I do what I want?'” I didn't want to have to tell her that it was because people like me, who saw what they were doing, did nothing. (cont.)

@phreedomphan

Phreedomhan

The enemy is only as strong as you allow them. Yes there are a lot that are hard of hearing but like all accomplishments persistence does prevail when the principals are sound and unswayed.

These things you communicate only exist if you stand down but I assure you if you know you and self determinism you know how all things become achieved bad or good makes no difference. Ignorance of us our only weakness and knowledge of us all the strength we need. There is not an achievement on earth that was ever comprised without man, why is that? What makes that possible?

When you say you give up, you give up on you are others? I am not convinced of your map but then I am not into acceptance and total defiance to any sort of idea like that at all. You would do well to get there because this will not be achieved alone. For the record money is not power but rather the lie you keep accepting as power. In all of life you are power or you missed you right from the beginning.

There is much more that I know but I hold my tung because most cannot even have what I express to you. But I do know this for sure, All things are possible with informed self determinism, it is the total force to be reckoned with.

This is only possible when you first discover you are the most important weak link of all because all truth can be found in your own vicinity. The fact Pam recognizes the truth tells me where she has been investigating and all the answers await you there. The map may be a truthful idea to some in the blind sector but for us in the seeing sector I don’t see it as our future at all. What makes me so sure and you so in question?

@PamMcDermott

Thank you Pam, I own a good clear mirror and inspect me daily assuring myself I stay in line with my principals in all honesty with me and hopefully others recognize the honesty and where it begins.

@PamMcDermott@WilliamSchooler No need to wait for me to get around to posting the link in my blog. It's:

http://endtimepilgrim.org/nwomapbig.jpg

It's even better than the one I have in my blog. Just click on it to get a super enlargement that is very clear. You can even avoid reading my rant in the blog.

@PamMcDermott@WilliamSchooler

Speak for yourself, Pam. I started fighting about 40 years ago and eventually burned out. Running all over the place trying to tell people what's going on and having very few listen can be frustrating. Too, the enemy doesn't just attack us in one direction. They have the resources, money (ours) and people (fools among us) as well as the media. We found ourselves fighting agents of the federal and state governments, the Republocratic Party (Demolican if you prefer), the two major Philadelphia “newspapers (one now defunct), and the two “major” (using the term loosely) newspapers in Bucks. Despite this, we were able to beat 3 attempts to foist regionalism on our county through a sham “grassroots” method, but when they can't get what they want from the people, they have methods set up to go over or around. If you're interested, you can see the post “Regionalism – Death of the American System” in my Lost Liberty blog. It ties in with the theme of the 10th Amendment Center.

http://phreedomphan-lostliberty.blogspot.com/2008/07/regionalism-death-of-american-system.html

I was also fighting other federal schemes including globalism. You can find the map and plan published in Philadelphia in '41-'42 in the “New World Order – Death of America” post in the same blog. I was showing a blueprint copy to friends and co-workers before the internet, and I posted 3 segments in the libraries and galleries of various political discussiong groups on the net before it was digitized by the Library of Congress. Unfortunately, I think Google is messing around with it and you can't get the map to blow up enough to read it. At least, I couldn't. It's possible there's a glitch in my software. On the other hand, the disappearance of the map from the University of San Diego site makes it look like somebody doesn't want the map seen. I think I've found it on anther site and I'll post that link in a day or so.

http://phreedomphan-lostliberty.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-world-order-death-of-america.html

@WilliamSchooler I have been reading your comments all along and am amazed. You are the only one who seems to realize that we all, as individuals, have made our own beds by our own inactions over the past decades. It is our responsibility to ourselves to keep ourselves informed, to read our history, our Constitution, and participate actively in our government - not only on the national level, but at all levels. I've been just as guilty as the next person of not involving myself, not contributing over the years. That time, for me, is over. The words spoken and written by our founding fathers are timeless, and address humankind. Our world may look quite a bit different today, but intrinsically we remain the same.

@BR549@PhilipMurray888

What is the action in this comment, what choice are you using? I know we have been duped now what? Stay at effect of ignorance thrown upon me or stand up with half a mind of my own to know better?

What is it you have learned by all these acts? That they have happened? Now what? Let us look in the future, let us determine our direction and what is the force upon the earth itself? The individual and the power of choice and this is what you are not including. You know all this is wrong but what, no will to educate and become far brighter than idiots?

Thomas Jefferson documented a ton of truths and with them he warned of such acts. He also gave us something very instrumental to DECIDE WITH should we choose to investigate its ingredients. That was the Declaration of Independence and then he participated in the Constitution based upon such principals, WHY? Not to deceive but to give a course to follow and items in which to achieve to have LIBERTY in this country. Since we did not fully get this then we can certainly get this now and move forward or we can all call each other names, scream about all the stupid acts criminals did to us and we can stop caring about ourselves. But this I am in total refusal to and agree with Thomas Jefferson that we are able and history repeats itself so understand why this is and you shall stop in its tracks. Of course if you are able enough to decide that kind of activity, is entirely up to you is it not?

@WilliamSchooler@PhilipMurray888 "A great revolution is an informed public with certainty of the direction for which they are headed ....." "An informed public"; I like that.

Imagine then what might have happened if the US population knew about the complicity of the Netherlands, England, and the US in cutting off supply lines to Japan in the 1930s .... and in particular, that our government KNEW that the Japanese Navy was underway long before Dec. 7th. Then too, imagine what might have happened if the population knew it had again been duped, when the the whole staged Gulf of Tonkin incident was trumped up to help drilling and mining interests in that region. 58,000 of our troops died in that conflict; not to mention the estimated two-million Asians and Chinese.

@BR549@PhilipMurray888 Maybe I'm naive, but I don't expect the wave of sloths until after we're completely disarmed. That's the usual method of tyranny, disarm first, massacre after.

Still, this is the reason we have to act as individuals and not as a mob. It's also why the TSA (modern acronym for KGB) is now setting up highway check points. Don't anyone think for a minute it has anything to do with protecting us. It's to protect the ruling Money Mafia and its operatives in Congress.

If the people do take to the streets in armed rebellion, they won't just be facing home-grown hit men, we'll have to deal with the Blue Helmet Mafia. Besides, it's highly likely that the "leaders" of the mob will be the henchmen of those at the top. Nothing will change that way.

I have no evidence of this, but some are saying the NWO plans to reduce world population to 1/2 billion. That sounds extreme, even for those monsters. Still, Robespierre was one of the pawns of the secret societies that helped the Moneyed Aristocracy bring down the Landed Aristocracy in France, and he wanted to so reduce the population of France as to make it a self-sustaining agricultural land. After guillotining much of the aristocracy, clergy, and intellectuals, he began loading whole town populations on boats and sinking them in the rivers.

@phreedomphan@PhilipMurray888 We keep focusing on the politicians, yet it is the bankers who need a good ass woopin', or as you so aptly described it, "executive action". However, it's those dimwits in uniform, who still haven't figured out that have been duped; they will become the cannon fodder for the bankers because the bankers will have no problem sending wave after wave of those paramecium-minded sloths to mow down the very citizenry that was paying their salary.

Sooner or later, it will correct itself, if even only for a couple hundred years. As I was in the gun store today perusing the myriad of gun sale flyers from the various vendors, I was dumbfounded at just how many guns are out there in the world; I mean there are millions upon millions. Imagine, for a moment, if we were able to focus all that energy toward a higher standard of living for all people. Jefferson had said one of the first responsibilities we had was to educate as many people as possible, as fast as we could. He was right. Add to that the fact that as the educational level rises, the number of offspring go down. Those dim-witted "illuminists" are so sociopathic that they'd rather trash the planet through ignorance than educate everyone into willfully adopting a lower planetary population. I guess once the population gets educated, the people can also better conclude how they have been getting scammed, so it becomes obvious why nothing gets done until a population crisis emerges. In the end, these wannabe population managers are no better than some MacDonalds manager who blames the crappy food, the dirty toilets, the slippery floors, and the swarms of flies, on all of his employees instead of taking a good long look in the mirror.