Roe v. Wade: A Nullification Issue

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by Michael Maharrey

“Abortion is murder.”

“A woman has a right to choose.”

Few issues divide a room, a city or a country faster than abortion.

The abortion issue creates a political and philosophical quagmire, pressing itself into the realm of science and religion, the right to life and of personal sovereignty.

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court interjected the federal government into the issue, ruling that a Constitutional right to privacy enforced through the due process clause of the 14th Amendment grants women the right to an abortion.

The decision makes mincemeat out of the Constitution. An enumerated right to privacy exists nowhere. One could argue that individuals possess a natural right to privacy, and further assert that the federal government has no authority to abridge that right under the Ninth Amendment. But the Bill of Rights was never intended to bind the states, and the Tenth Amendment leaves all power not delegated to the United States to the states and the people.

Abortion should never have become a federal issue.

Justice Byron White alluded to this in a blistering dissent.

I find nothing in the language or history of the Constitution to support the Court’s judgment. The Court simply fashions and announces a new constitutional right for pregnant mothers and, with scarcely any reason or authority for its action, invests that right with sufficient substance to override most existing state abortion statutes. The upshot is that the people and the legislatures of the 50 States are constitutionally disentitled to weigh the relative importance of the continued existence and development of the fetus, on the one hand, against a spectrum of possible impacts on the mother, on the other hand. As an exercise of raw judicial power, the Court perhaps has authority to do what it does today; but, in my view, its judgment is an improvident and extravagant exercise of the power of judicial review that the Constitution extends to this Court.

One would expect those who support abortion rights to cling tenaciously to the Court’s decision. It enforces their view on every state and individual. But more surprisingly, many in the anti-abortion camp also prefer to fight the battle at the national level, resisting any proposal to throw the issue back to the states where it belongs.

A Tenth Amendment Center supporter sent a letter to Steven Ertelt, the editor Life News, a major pro-life publication. The TAC supporter suggested state nullification of the Supreme Court decision was the best way to fight the abortion battle.

“Work must shift to the individual States legislatures and their citizenry because we now know they have the authority to overrule unconstitutional laws and court decisions as protectors of the Constitution as intended by our Founding Fathers.”

Ertelt’s response illustrates a centralized, federal government oriented, mindset.

“We live in a Supreme Court dominated political culture now. That kind of vote won’t happen. So the goal is electing a pro-life president and getting the 5th justice we need to overturn the decision.”

How’s that approach working for you, 38 years later, Mr. Ertelt?

He apparently hasn’t really thought through the actual realities. The Supreme Court has no power to outlaw abortion. The federal government has no authority over life and death matters. That’s why federal laws against murder don’t exist. It is a state issue. So at best, Ertelt and pro-life advocates can only hope for a decision overturning the ridiculous assertions of Roe, throwing the issue back to the states.

So here’s a question for pro-life advocates: why waste the time and energy battling at the federal level when the states rightfully hold the keys? Court rulings carry no weight when they defy the Constitution, and states should simply refuse to enforce them.

In fact, some states have already started to flex their muscles.

Last week, the Ohio House passed bill would that would make abortion illegal after the fetus has a detectable heartbeat. HB 125 passed 54-44.

The law would not punish the woman who had the abortion, but instead targets abortion providers.

The Ohio bill does not rest on a constitutional argument, but instead asserts the “viability” of a fetus after the heart begins beating. Even many in the pro-life community oppose the bill, fearing the courts won’t buy the argument and that it will simply strengthen Roe.

“Unfortunately, the court has ruled that states can place limitations on post-viability abortions, but pre-viability there can be zero restrictions,” executive director of Ohio Right to Life Mike Gonidakis told the Columbus Dispatch. “We certainly don’t want the courts to reaffirm Roe with a decision in Ohio.”

The fundamental question remains, why should five black-robed demi-Gods have the right to decide for the people of Ohio how they choose to define viability?

Answer: they shouldn’t.

And federal courts have no authority to do so under the Constitution.

Georgia Rep. Bobby Franklin (R – Marietta) filed a bill during the 2011 legislative session that got more to the point. The legislation declared life begins at conception and went on to assert the state’s right and responsibility to protect the lives of its citizens.

(6) The United States Congress has reserved to itself ‘all legislative powers herein vested’ according to Article I, Section I of the Constitution of the United States;

(7) ‘Herein vested’ to the United States Congress applies to only five crimes: (1) counterfeiting, (2) piracy, (3) felonies on the high seas, (4) offenses against the law of nations, and (5) treason; according to Article I, Section VIII and Article III, Section III of the Constitution of the United States;

(8) Murder is not counterfeiting, piracy, felony on the high seas, an offense against the law of nations, or treason;

(9) Georgia has, therefore, reserved to itself exclusive jurisdiction over the definition and punishment of murder under Amendment X of the Constitution of the United States.

A similar bill was considered in the South Carolina legislature. Proposed legislation in Indiana would make abortion illegal in that state, “unless a physician determines, based on sound medical practice, that the abortion is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.”

Ultimately, abortion comes down to an individual’s views on life, morality and sovereignty. No law, made at any level, will ever really end abortion, nor will it change the minds of those convinced it is a life issue. But at the very least, lawmaking should devolve to the lowest level of power possible. Let the people of each state battle it out and decide for themselves what restrictions, if any, they choose to place on abortion.

The issue properly falls within the states’ sphere of power. SCOTUS had no authority to rule one way or another on abortion. But since the federal government insists on overreaching and sticking its supersized nose into areas it has no business, it’s up to the states to reach out and smack that nose and keep it in its proper place.

About Mike Maharrey

Michael Maharrey [send him email] is the Communications Director for the Tenth Amendment Center. He proudly resides in the original home of the Principles of '98 - Kentucky. See his blog archive here and his article archive here. He also maintains the blog, Tenther Gleanings.

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55 comments
Dave
Dave

No level of Government has any right to dictate for or against abortion. It is a personal decision that should be left between a woman and her doctor. Current anti-abortion zealots are driven by their own narrow views and religious intolerance. I don't share those views and no one has the right to legislate by belief in them. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Simple as that.

Alex
Alex

Don't like pregnancies? Don't get one. Simple as that.

West Texan
West Texan

State nullification of Roe verses Wade enters dangerous ground. It's true the tenth amendment recognizes states' sovereignty over their own domestic affairs. But the remaining Bill of Rights cover individuals. A recent example is the supreme court's upholding Chicagoans' right to bear arms in the McDonald case. The point is that to nullify Roe v. Wade via the tenth is to nullify other constitutionally protected individual rights. Rather the question becomes does an embryo or fetus in utero have a natural individual right to life? Or does this begin when an infant breathes its first air at birth? IMHO and except for emergent medical cases, the first trimester gives women plenty of time to abort. Not to my liking of course but it's facing reality. Beyond this time frame moms are basically along for the ride. Their next choice should be made postpartum. They can either nurture their newborn or adopt out.

Fallon T GordonSr
Fallon T GordonSr

The Constitution's Article one Section one says only Congress can make law! So the President, Supreme Court and other courts and the bureaucracy can not make law! The Supreme Court can only make a Constitutional ruling between two parties. If the ruling is Constitutional, nothing changes. If it is unConstitutional, it is null & void and of no effect. And since the SC can not make law, its rulings can not be extended to all States and all Americans! So we have had well over 60 million babies destroyed by an unConstitutional law that can not be extended and applied to all Americans. Furthermore, The Declaration quarantees LIFE, LIBERTy etc.... Abortion is a criminal act!

Guest
Guest

I use the Roe vs. Wade case to hep people understand the 10th Amendment. It is so rarly cited in any court cases it has been repealed, for all practical purposes. If the 10th had not been repealed the SCOTUS would not have had to create the stupid right to privacy. It could have reached the same conlucsion by saying that 1) Constitution of US does not delegate power to US Govt. 2) We decide that it is a power reserved for the people, not the states to regulate. Simple use of 10th if it has not been repealed.

Aaron Matthew Arnwine
Aaron Matthew Arnwine

I think the author misses the entire point - getting a fifth justice on the supreme court to overturn Roe v. Wade is the only way to remand the issue back to the states. State nullification is a far more arduous and laborious route to overturn a SCOTUS ruling. Does the author not know this???

Mike Maharrey
Mike Maharrey

Aaron - Yes the author does know this. The author also knows that what the Court giveth, the court taketh away. If you get that fifth justice to overturn Roe, it will merely flip the argument ,with those on the pro-choice side seeking to get that fifth justice to overturn the overturning.

The fact is, the court does not stand as the sole and final arbiter and as Jefferson said, when the federal government (including the courts) overstep their powers, nullification is the rightful remedy.

@dgcmagazine
@dgcmagazine

That is an amazing article and legal argument. We are constantly wowed by the material we find on this web.

Katherine
Katherine

I was proud to testify before the Committee for the Heartbeat Bill (HB125) last March. Yes, I believe that Roe is a 10th amendment issue; the Supreme Court made a decision for everyone that was already decided by the state in question.

Bill B.
Bill B.

Oh, and I will certainly never donate to the Tenth Amendment Center again, if you come out against abortion.

Mike Maharrey
Mike Maharrey

Bill, TAC is neither "for" or "against" abortion. Our position is simply that under the Tenth Amendment, abortion is an issue left to the states and that any federal interference in a state's decision to regulate or not regulate abortion as it sees fit represents a federal overreach.

I would have written the same article if the Supreme Court had ruled that states cannot allow abortions.

Mike Maharrey
Mike Maharrey like.author.displayName 1 Like

Bill, TAC is neither "for" or "against" abortion. Our position is simply that under the Tenth Amendment, abortion is an issue left to the states and that any federal interference in a state's decision to regulate or not regulate abortion as it sees fit represents a federal overreach.

Bill B
Bill B

Every woman has an unenumerated right to control over her own body—including her uterus, and anything growing within.

Anti-abortion fanatics, when are you going to start using your minds?? It’s NOT A HEARTBEAT that makes a mass of tissue a human being!

You ought to learn a lesson from Thomas Aquinas—who followed Aristotle and the ancient Greek definition of “man” [human being]:

“a rational animal.”

A mass of protoplasm growing in a uterus (heartbeat or not) is not an animal—not an independent entity; it is part of another animal, on whom it depends for its life.

Again, from the ancients: learn the distinction between the potential and the actual. A fetus is not an actual human being, it is a potential one. You anti-abortion fanatics are phonies. I’ll start thinking otherwise when you go to the store and offer to pay the full price of a chicken every time you buy an egg.

Clint
Clint

Bill....The only word to describe your argument is "Hitleresque" Your children are obviously "potential idiots"...,,Someone call the Doc please!!

Alex
Alex

Many forms of mental illness or handicaps render people incapable of rational thought. Are you then in favor of transforming mental hospitals into death camps?

As for the egg vs chicken, at the store you pay for the nutritional and culinary value, not the capacity to live - after all, you want them dead. Horse meat is uncommon now (and as far as I know, illegal in some places), so this changes the prices, but if you had a great meat horse and a great race horse and sold them alive, the great race horse would sell for a lot more - because the buyer would expect to have it race or breed. Once they are dead, though, the great meat horse will sell for more because it has better meat, and that's the only value either horse has after death. In the same way, the egg is less valuable than the chicken when purchased for eating.

Karen
Karen

I am so happy to see that a state finally is standing up to do the right thing to protect our unborn. I also like the fact the don't go after the woman they go after the facility that does an abortion after there is a heart beat. If you are irresponsible with your body then you should be held accountable instead of making the unborn child pay for your irresponsibility. If you don't want the baby then do what they did years ago. Give the baby to a family that can't have a baby and allow the baby to live and have a future. I give BIG kuddos to Ohio. Back when Roe v Wade happened we didn't have reliable birth control. Today we have very reliable birth control and if you get pregnant it is your own irresponsible behavior that caused it. When we put no value on a life growing in our body it is no wonder this country is in such bad shape.

charleydan
charleydan

Polarizing---I think there will be many more nullification's as the states try to reign in their budgets.

The Federal Governments greasing the palm of the states with phoney printed money to do this and to do that is over as the credit card is expired.

The states, as they see it, are left with the tab if they continue with these programs and will nullify many mandates to get there states budgets in line.

Also. to cut taxation to encourage business to want to operate their as they need the revenue. If they do not. Business will go to the state that does.

Capitalism is always defined by one word, efficiency. Capitalism rules. If one tinkers it will come back to reality of efficiency sooner then later.

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

All the pro-lifers need to stop choking the chicken. Think about the little spermazoa that God gifted to them and how they just waste it down the shower drain. It's murder, I tell ya. They are living and carry human DNA, and these chicken-chokers are killing them by the millions.

Alex
Alex

Go back to your biology books and search for the difference between Haploid, Diploid and Polyploid cell phases.

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

You mean it all comes down to definitions? In that case, go back to Roe and read the legal definition of a human.

Alex
Alex

Ok, that is conceded. If the issue is about the legality (or otherwise) of abortion; and of ways it could be overturned, then yes, those definitions are relevant, as well as challenges to them, judicial or legislative. Then there is no need to bring up a point about an action whose legality (or otherwise) is irrelevant.

guest
guest

Gosh, why have a comment split if the 2nd half is deleted?

guest
guest

I am pro-choice, but very much against obama's late term abortions. I don't know the circumstances of each person. If the alternative is to place a young mom on welfare and as so much of the time her education stops and a lot of times the child is neglected or killed.

I think each state has to determine what its people wants. We also need to address welfare for as long as a child can just be shoved off on the system, we will keep having too many unwanted babies. Even adoption of an American child is hard because so many are drug babies.

Get the FEd out of everything that belongs to the states, including taxes. We would not have a national debt if the states maintained their own without the Fed barging in. We have too long slide by while socialists put one agenda after another crying for "mommy" to do something.

guest
guest

It is pretty hard for me to reason this since I had an aunt die from a botched abortion (1920's). I've seen young girls' lives torn apart from having a child neither party wanted the day after. Sad to have a child in a household, unwanted. Then again, I have seen young teens go on to live productive lives (seems the female is always limited while males go on without much pain or stigma) and have wanted children at a later date.

OTOH, I am concerned about the selling of fetuses for stem cell research. Just how many of these abortion clinics are talking young women into abortion and then selling the fetus? and the case out West where the teen was whisked off to a clinic--free of charge--IF the girl didn't tell her mother?

Terry
Terry

You've lost this, and you will keep losing this. Regardless of what anyone feels "should" be, states cannot decide unilaterally that their law trumps the Constitution and the equal protection it affords to all US citizens.

The political ineptitude of pro-lifers is exceeded only by their self-righteousness.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

are you arguing for mass arrests of cancer patients who use marijuana under california prop 215 then?

chris
chris

Terry: It takes one, as they say, to know one. Before you accuse others of being inept, statists/centralists like yourself should first remedy their own ineptitude with regards to their failure in being able to make a distinction between the Constitution and the "federal" government as if they were one and the same. Neither State laws nor federal laws (or actions of any of its branches) trump the Constitution. However, according to that same Constitution, States do trump the federal government in all things save what the States themselves, as the superior principle authorities,delegated (granted), the fed in the first place. According to centralists like yourself, the cause is inferior and subject to the effect. The way I see it, my political ineptitude trumps your logical ineptitude at best or makes us even at least.

JacobTheodore
JacobTheodore

Terry, of course the States can overrule the Constitution. The States have the absolute right to not only alter it , but to abolish it. If on the other hand, you meant that the States cannot overrule the Federal Government's Laws and Regulations, that is also untrue. One is by observing that a law, a regulation , or even a doctrine does not fall within the few specified powers of the Federal Government. In fact, the States have the right, by amendment of the Constitution, to even abolish the Federal government itself. THE CONSTITUTION IS THE PROPERTY OF THE STATES AND THEIR CITIZEN POPULATIONS, not the Federal Government. The Federal Government has no authority to alter or abolish any State. It is not an 'uber government'. It is the servant of the States, a management group put together to facilitate affairs among the States and be the contact point in relations with foreign States.

But you ARE right about pro-lifers being inept about politics, because politics is about stealth and scheming , and personal aggrandizement, and perversion of law and Constitutional limitations.

carknow32
carknow32

If the Constitution gives equal protection to all US citizens, then what about a "Tyranny of the Majority"? As for the equality the Constitution guarantees, this is equality before the law. This begs the question then of: What is law? Or, who defines Law? If the people or the Government defines law, then this is a quick road to tyranny for sure (through majority rule and societal whim).

carknow32
carknow32

I hate to throw down the "slavery" card, but it seems that the topic of abortion is equally as heated as that of slavery 155 years ago. We have those who want to abolish it whatever the cost, and those who vehemently want to see it continued. Absolutely, our individual States (representing their communities) should be able to decide this issue for themselves. But what's to keep people who have restrictions in their home state on abortion, to drive to another state to have one, and then be jailed when they return home? Or one state choosing not to do commerce with a state that is Pro-Life or Pro-Choice? Sovereignty works if state communities are responsible (wise) in the practice and maintenance of it. Our Founders noted that this responsibility was found in Foundational Biblical Truths. Otherwise, the constitution becomes a collection of rules that are susceptible to twisting, apathy, ignorance, or outright rejection by any new generation that comes along. Yes, we're free to be sovereign - but not free from responsibility.

papa46
papa46

When a man chooses to take another living beings life, it's murder. So too is it murder for a woman to take another living beings life......fetus or no. An embryo will, given a chance, develop into a living breathing human being, and should be protected from inception.

chris
chris

The embryo does not "develop" into a human being. It is a human being. It is alive, of human origin, has a completely human genetic code, is consuming nutrition, and is growing. It is not sub-human or almost human. He or she is totaly, completely and fully human. That is a scientific fact. The pro-choice position is not that he or she is not a human being, it is that he or she is not a "person" because he or she does not look like nor is as capable as bigger human beings that are closer to point B than point A. Since he or she is not a legal "person" they cannot have rights. Sound familiar?

LibertaSam
LibertaSam

No, the fetus will NOT develop into a living, breathing human being. It IS a living, breathing (of sorts) human being! Everything it needs for life is already there, like you and me. It doesn't have the potential for life, IT IS LIVING.

Why in 2011 we still have laws allowing legal murder of the most innocent among us - I will never understand. It's the slavery issue all over again. Makes me sick to my stomach how people encourage or poo-pooed it! This kind of issue says everything about why our country is so bankrupt - morally & otherwise. If we can't even value life - the most fundamental - of course all of the other principles of liberty are lost.

Bill B.
Bill B.

My appendix is living, too. So is a tumor. So are my sperm cells.

It's not the fact that a mass of cells is living, that gives it rights.

A fetus is a human being, ONLY in the sense that an acorn is an oak tree. It is a POTENTIAL: human being, not an actual one.

PatrickHenryLIves
PatrickHenryLIves

Amen! Nullify Roe vs. Wade! This is an area of reserved States/People rights, not a federal issue by any definition. It is only by rewriting the 14th Amendment and inventing the doctrine of "substantive due process" that the US Supreme Court was able to "find" a woman's "right" to destroy pre-born babies. While we are at it, we should Nullify the whole federal government!

JacobTheodore
JacobTheodore

If someone would just PLEASE use their brain and go ACTUALLY READ Roe versus Wade, they would discover two things!

1. Roe Versus Wade DID NOT legalize abortion. The Supremes invalidated a Texas law that said it was illegal to either offer or solicit an abortion in the State of Texas. Period. The decision narrowly considered only whether a person could seek an abortion or offer to perform one.

2. The court, in the introduction or preamble to Roe Versus Wade said, EXPLICITLY, that if a fetus were to be legally declared to be a human life, then that fetus would enjoy the full protection under the law, as all other human life. The court, which is constrained to judging things reactively, could only consider the Constitutionality of the law in question, not the issue of the right of an unborn, because that was not what it was asked to rule on, which was the offer/solicit law. Their preamble was a big HINT HINT!

SIT DOWN AT YOUR COMPUTER AND READ THE DECISION YOURSELVES.

3. Why did everyone then take up the decision as validating abortion? Because they performed a BIG LIE action. It was the same declaration technique that the NAZI's used when they declared Jews, gypsies, , etc ad Sub-human so that they could legally not be murdering humans. And we stood for it and the rest of you have never even read the decision or questioned the public paradigm that came out of it, despite people holding up the truth in front of your eyes for decades.

Walt
Walt

Excellent thoughts Michael. This is probably not the best issue to use at the outset to generate support for the idea of state interposition since abortion is so polarising. Should the time come, however, for nullification of Roe v. Wade on a wide scale, it will be beneficial. Having the Supreme Court remove the issue from normal electoral politics at the state and local levels has made civil political discourse all the more difficult.

While we're on the topic - who's up for amending the U.S. Constitution to limit the SCOTUS's ability to rule on state laws? That would help prevent rulings like Roe from occurring in the first place.

Rick_in_VA
Rick_in_VA

QUOTE While we're on the topic - who's up for amending the U.S. Constitution to limit the SCOTUS's ability to rule on state laws? That would help prevent rulings like Roe from occurring in the first place. QUOTE

No amendment is necessary. Congress has the power to restrict what the supreme Court can rule on.
Article III Section 2. Para 2. United States Constitution.
"... the supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the congress shall make."
Congress hasn't the guts to do anything about the out of control court.

Mike Maharrey
Mike Maharrey

Hey Walt. I agree, it is a polarizing issue, but with several states stepping out with legislation in defiance of SCOTUS in the last six month, and the Ohio legislation in particular in the news, II thought it was time to address the issue from a constitutional standpoint.

It is vitally important that the remain faithful to the principles of federalism, delegated powers and state sovereignty, no matter what the issue, even the hard ones. Even the divisive ones. Even the issues we might actually like to see a "national" solution. Where the federal government has no granted power, the federal government should not tread.

I am not advocating for or against abortion or the governments involvement, but simply pointing out the level of government the issue is properly addressed.

Walt
Walt

No disagreement here Mike. I would love to see states nullify Roe and every other federal abuse of power out there. As you rightly point out, the 'national solution' strategy has utterly failed. I was just thinking about it from a raw strategic angle. (And the amendment idea is simply an extension of what I have been thinking about a lot lately - mainly, that the federal government created by the U.S. Constitution isn't the sleek, well-designed structure we've been taught that it is. I have to credit the Anti-Federalists, past and present, for that awakening.)

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

Rightfully so, too.

My point above was that it is unfortunate that anyone considers the subject an important enough issue. If the states were going in with the idea to get governments at all levels out of it, it would be more exciting. The fact that their purpose is to waste state time and resources to jack with personal choices under a claim of sovereignty is unfortunate - though I do support their claim to sovereignty.

It's just that there are bigger fish to fry. As WJC said, "It's the economy, stupid.

Mary
Mary

Amen to that.

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

Mary, Mary. Don't be so contrary. Why get your panties in a ruffle over, of all things, a blog? Why are you such an angry person? Go out and enjoy something.

Alex
Alex

"Potential" as opposed to "Actual" is a completely fictional and preposterous distinction. We are all "potential" everything, which renders it meaningless. We are all potential Presidents of the USA, potential Olympic gold medal winners, potential Nobel Prizes, or potential serial killers, for that matter (and so are, of course, the unborn, just as well) - we all have the capacity to become one. That's how life works: no "actual" President, gold medal winner or Nobel Prize ever got there without being "potential" first. Yet none would get there if we stripped them of their capacity before they get there, either, under the argument they are not yet there. Certainly, unlike these clear-cut cases, in most cases the line is blurry and it isn't evident, often not even for the person involved, when they stopped being potential and started being actual: do you play an instrument, for example? When did you stop being potentially good to start being actually good? That is very much a value judgment, and especially where the line is, away from the extremes of best and worst which could be obvious. Which is why the distinction is really used: as a value judgment of what is to be a person and what is to be sub-human. As others below pointed out, babies and children up to a certain age are no less "potential" than the unborn - the preference to use birth as a cut-off point is just that, a preference; probably because few people would publicly dare follow to the conclusion it leads to.

Mary
Mary

I nearly never resort to name calling, but you sir are a lunatic. And after reading your last post, that's about all I can say.

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

Right. The point is that people ought legally be allowed to do some malicious things. That's the basis of freedom. Idiots who feel compelled to disrupt funerals are free to do so. Idiots who want to harass women and chase them and scream at them as they approach abortion clinics are also free to do so.

Once in a blue moon, I can't fathom why we tolerate slaughtering of animals and then, eating them. It's a barbaric notion when you get down to it. But, hey, it's what we do. Why don't we legislate letting these animals live? It's a vile practice to do what we do to them. They do, indeed, have emotions, feel pain and have the will to live. And we just up and take it all away with a sledgehammer to the skull - by the millions and millions.

And, yes, I feel that way. If a person came down the street and start beating my dog, it would be the same as if he'd have starting beating my kid. I've seen animals feel happiness, sorrow, love, anger, etc. There's not too much that is different than humans, when it comes down to it.

Anyway, that's another topic. This abortion issue does not really excite me. We tolerate all sorts of evil. Just add abortion to the list of unpopular things free people are allowed to do.

Mary
Mary

To quote you directly, "we know going in, that we will be killing many of the wrong people. That translates into malice or conscious indifference."
You also KNOW, GOING IN, that you are going to kill a baby in an abortion, but somehow, some way, you think this ISN'T malicious or conscious indifference? Tell me, pray tell, what else COULD IT BE???????????

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

No doubt. I agree. But we find and sanction reasons to kill people all the time. The death penalty is one. Okay, you'll say death was deserved for people who receive it.

What about "collateral damage" in war or, I suppose more accurately "not war" operations designed to kill people abroad?

These may be "accidental" deaths, but look at it from another angle. We KNOW, going in, that we will be killing many of the wrong people. That translates into malice or conscious indifference.

The law is all over the place on this, and for good reason. If you kill a cow and eat it, you're getting protein. If you kill a dog and eat it, you're going to jail for animal cruelty.

"Life" is not the only factor. Nor is "Human life" the only factor. This much is very, very clear.

Mary
Mary

You cannot look at a modern ultrasound image and say what you see is not a human being. Science has given us the proof we need to make the right decision. These very small, very dependent, little people are no less precious than the rest of us. The argument they are just a mass of cells just doesn't stand up anymore. The pictures don't lie.

Tammy
Tammy

A born baby can no more take care of itself than a pre-born baby. They are both totally dependent. In your view, infanticide should be legal too. For that matter, I don't know many five year olds that could take care of themselves either. Perhaps mothers should have the right to exterminate their children until they are 13 or so.

Bill B.
Bill B.

The mother is an ACTUAL human being. The mass of cells growing within her, unable to support itself, is a POTENTIAL human being. It's not that the mother has more rights; it's that the fetus, as not yet a human being (any more than an acorn is an oak tree), has no rights at all.

chris
chris

Human life, the most basic natural right of all, not an important enough issue? What callous indifference! The Pro-Choice position is simple: Some human beings have more rights than others. The freedom of choice is excersized long before the appointment with the clinic, abortion is the legal right to destroy the evidence.

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  1. [...] said all this I found an interesting tidbit of information from the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) about the law and abortion. TAC evidently has been tracking proposed legislation in the great [...]

  2. [...] Michael Maharrey – Communications Director of the Tenth Amendment Center – certainly believes so. [...]

  3. [...] is a very insightful post from The Tenth Amendment Center, on the complex issue of abortion, and how the Jeffersonian [...]