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		<title>By: State Sovereignty Legislation Lacking in This Year&#8217;s Florida Legislative Session &#8211; Florida Tenth Amendment Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>State Sovereignty Legislation Lacking in This Year&#8217;s Florida Legislative Session &#8211; Florida Tenth Amendment Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: robert williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[robert williams born in the U S A and served the in the US Army and Army National Guard fo a total of 10 plus years sayes to All Forighners Not Born our Have Not Proved that they Were Born U S Citizens of the Uninted States of America Including the Wantabe Us Presedewnt Obama Leave the U S Constatution Compleatly Alone If your Kind Want to live in a Dictarteral type of Government  then Move Youe Tail Out of the U. S.A. go to Russha China or North Karea or since You bama Is a Muslum you Can Carry your Sorry Rearend to Iran and dont Evan think of returning to the U. S.A. and take your freedom Hatters with your sorry rear Zars and All.]]></description>
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		<title>By: JMB</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/12/03/is-the-repeal-amendment-what-we-need/comment-page-1/#comment-399358</link>
		<dc:creator>JMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim 
 
I am very much looking forward to investing my available time into reading your blog now that I am aware of its existence. 
 
Here is the text of the proposition in which I believe you refer&#8230;   &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4946:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.49...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
 I have read this of course and find it&#8217;s possibilities to be very intriguing, though I remain cautious to advance something that may invite more Judicial tomfoolery into matters of state sovereignty.     
   
We must remember that a Judicial courts opinion will not necessarily fail simply because it federally encourages unconstitutional stupidity.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim </p>
<p>I am very much looking forward to investing my available time into reading your blog now that I am aware of its existence. </p>
<p>Here is the text of the proposition in which I believe you refer&hellip;   <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4946:" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.49" rel="nofollow">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.49</a>&#8230; </p>
<p> I have read this of course and find it&rsquo;s possibilities to be very intriguing, though I remain cautious to advance something that may invite more Judicial tomfoolery into matters of state sovereignty.     </p>
<p>We must remember that a Judicial courts opinion will not necessarily fail simply because it federally encourages unconstitutional stupidity.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Silovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Silovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i feel we should repeal the 16th admenment to our consttitutioon for it gave us a proggressive tax system aand the IRS. we should go to flat tax or the faair tax.  no more free trade for we are losing the tradee war  that jobs aand money! we need to go back to collection dutiess and tarifs for nation we do business still chare us that under free trade, no more most favored nation status either ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i feel we should repeal the 16th admenment to our consttitutioon for it gave us a proggressive tax system aand the IRS. we should go to flat tax or the faair tax.  no more free trade for we are losing the tradee war  that jobs aand money! we need to go back to collection dutiess and tarifs for nation we do business still chare us that under free trade, no more most favored nation status either </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though I need to review the subject more thoroughly, this is my initial reaction: I think Mr. Wood and JMB above have it right. Each individual state already has the inherent right to nullify unconstitutional laws/regs. By implication, however, the Repeal Act would seem to require individual states to cede that power to other states. Also, getting 2/3 of states to agree to anything is a tall order. And should a 2/3 majority not be achieved, and the federal law/reg IS, by any reasonable measure, unconstitutional, then what? Would individual states be duty-bound to yield to majority rule? Subjecting the Constitutional rights of states to shifting political winds, which I believe the Repeal Act might do, is, therefore,  concerning. However, I do see merit in the passage of HR 4946, the 10th Amendment Regulatory Reform Act, which judicially tackles overreach issues without risking the forfeiture of a state&#039;s right to nullify. It provides a less onerous and confrontational means for states to push back against unconstitutional laws/regs. Opinerlog.blogspot.com did a brief post on this. May be worth a look-see.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I need to review the subject more thoroughly, this is my initial reaction: I think Mr. Wood and JMB above have it right. Each individual state already has the inherent right to nullify unconstitutional laws/regs. By implication, however, the Repeal Act would seem to require individual states to cede that power to other states. Also, getting 2/3 of states to agree to anything is a tall order. And should a 2/3 majority not be achieved, and the federal law/reg IS, by any reasonable measure, unconstitutional, then what? Would individual states be duty-bound to yield to majority rule? Subjecting the Constitutional rights of states to shifting political winds, which I believe the Repeal Act might do, is, therefore,  concerning. However, I do see merit in the passage of HR 4946, the 10th Amendment Regulatory Reform Act, which judicially tackles overreach issues without risking the forfeiture of a state&#039;s right to nullify. It provides a less onerous and confrontational means for states to push back against unconstitutional laws/regs. Opinerlog.blogspot.com did a brief post on this. May be worth a look-see.  </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Strickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Strickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 00:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To uphold the 10th amendment (and indeed the rest of the constitution), start by repealing the 17th amendment. The 17th amendment took away the representatives of the sovereign states. In doing so, it weakened the states by limiting their ability to protect &quot;states rights&quot;. The US Senate was never intended to be direct representatives of the people, but rather representatives of the states. Senators are intended to indirectly represent the people of a state by representing the interests of that state. The interests of a state will not always directly correspond with the interests of the people of that state. The primary reason each state has the same number of senators regardless of population is so that each state is equally represented. 
 
A &quot;repeal&quot; amendment might not be a bad idea, but it isn&#039;t strictly necessary. Text of Article 5 of the US Constitution: 
 
&quot;The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&quot; 
 
This makes 2 things clear: 
1. That 3/4 of the states can effectively repeal any Federal law by calling a constitutional convention (2/3 of the states) which proposes and passes (3/4 of the states) an amendment which nullifies that Federal law. 
2. That Senators are representatives of the States, not of the people. 
 
A &quot;repeal&quot; amendment would simplify the process of state nullification, and for that reason, it may be useful, but it is not necessary. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To uphold the 10th amendment (and indeed the rest of the constitution), start by repealing the 17th amendment. The 17th amendment took away the representatives of the sovereign states. In doing so, it weakened the states by limiting their ability to protect &quot;states rights&quot;. The US Senate was never intended to be direct representatives of the people, but rather representatives of the states. Senators are intended to indirectly represent the people of a state by representing the interests of that state. The interests of a state will not always directly correspond with the interests of the people of that state. The primary reason each state has the same number of senators regardless of population is so that each state is equally represented. </p>
<p>A &quot;repeal&quot; amendment might not be a bad idea, but it isn&#039;t strictly necessary. Text of Article 5 of the US Constitution: </p>
<p>&quot;The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&quot; </p>
<p>This makes 2 things clear:<br />
1. That 3/4 of the states can effectively repeal any Federal law by calling a constitutional convention (2/3 of the states) which proposes and passes (3/4 of the states) an amendment which nullifies that Federal law.<br />
2. That Senators are representatives of the States, not of the people. </p>
<p>A &quot;repeal&quot; amendment would simplify the process of state nullification, and for that reason, it may be useful, but it is not necessary. </p>
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		<title>By: Is the Repeal Amendment What We Need? &#8211; Florida Tenth Amendment Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the Repeal Amendment What We Need? &#8211; Florida Tenth Amendment Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great comments, Gary.  I will still take issue with the view you have because it does not threaten federal supremacy any more than Article V does.  3/4 of the states could gather and amend to take away the federal power to operate a postal service, for example.  Or they could get together and amend to take away federal power to define who is a citizen or to write uniform rules of bankruptcy.   3/4 simply have the power to destroy the federal government.  On that basis, I am not alarmed at what 2/3 (4 less states) might be able to accomplish by repeal of statutes at will.   
 
You stated, &quot;Today we don&#039;t need 2/3, 3/4, 6/10 or any other threshold to stop the federal government. We need a firestorm from enough states to back the federal level up and in each instance of success it has taken less than a 2/3s number to do it. &quot;   There is a flaw in this reasoning because it implies that if a repeal amendment becomes law, the formula for nullification will change.  I don&#039;t care what the number is according to whatever rule might exist, nullification is nothing but civil disobedience.   
 
As to hampering nullification, how is pointing to the &quot;2/3 requirement in a repeal amendment&quot; any different than pointing to the 3/4 requirement in Article V.   Everyone who is a proponent of Obamacare can legitimately say, &quot;If you don&#039;t like it, convince 3/4 of the states.&quot;   Nullification (i.e., civil disobedience knows no rules; that&#039;s the whole design of civil disobedience). 
 
I am quite comfortable that Californians will still resist federal drug laws, even if we had a Repeal Amendment.   Doesn&#039;t this seem obvious?  Same goes for Real ID, gun laws and all the other nullification efforts.    
 
Also, you stated, &quot;If we are to embrace federalism, the grand experiment the framers and founders created, then this potentially flips too much power to the states. &quot;  Here, you should consider your own assumption.   Your assumption is that if the founders were living today in the midst of our current governments, they would NOT enact a Repeal Amendment.   I think this assumption is a tough leap.  I could certainly see the founders, if they were here today, concluding that the original writing was not restrictive enough on the feds.   On top of including the Repeal Amendment, they might have actually written Art. V differently.   I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they would re-write Art. V today to have the federal government sunset into non-existence every 20 years unless the states extend it in a con-con. 
 
Finally, you state, &quot;I would prefer seeing the emotional, financial, and grassroots investment spent on doing all we can to restore federalism as viewed at our beginning.&quot;   Yes, that seems to be the goal for many of us.  This does not mean, however, the if the founders were around today, they would have written a Constitution exactly the same way.   Jefferson, for example, wrote frequently that the Constitution is flawed and that it will need to be frequently revisited after wisdom is gained into how it could be better. 
 
So, if we are suggesting how to get what was &quot;intended&quot; from the beginning, it could quite certainly be that a whole new writing is in order - if for nothing more than proper clarification, but in some cases to put more effective checks in place where the original ones prove to be ineffective.   As ought to be clear, the founders had no problem dispensing with the Arts of Confed quite quickly as not workable.   What would make us assume they would not dispense with our Constitution if, armed with our hindsight, they could get together and have another do-over? 
 
Anyway, these discussions have been enjoyable.   Thanks for your thought-provoking article. 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, Gary.  I will still take issue with the view you have because it does not threaten federal supremacy any more than Article V does.  3/4 of the states could gather and amend to take away the federal power to operate a postal service, for example.  Or they could get together and amend to take away federal power to define who is a citizen or to write uniform rules of bankruptcy.   3/4 simply have the power to destroy the federal government.  On that basis, I am not alarmed at what 2/3 (4 less states) might be able to accomplish by repeal of statutes at will.   </p>
<p>You stated, &quot;Today we don&#039;t need 2/3, 3/4, 6/10 or any other threshold to stop the federal government. We need a firestorm from enough states to back the federal level up and in each instance of success it has taken less than a 2/3s number to do it. &quot;   There is a flaw in this reasoning because it implies that if a repeal amendment becomes law, the formula for nullification will change.  I don&#039;t care what the number is according to whatever rule might exist, nullification is nothing but civil disobedience.   </p>
<p>As to hampering nullification, how is pointing to the &quot;2/3 requirement in a repeal amendment&quot; any different than pointing to the 3/4 requirement in Article V.   Everyone who is a proponent of Obamacare can legitimately say, &quot;If you don&#039;t like it, convince 3/4 of the states.&quot;   Nullification (i.e., civil disobedience knows no rules; that&#039;s the whole design of civil disobedience). </p>
<p>I am quite comfortable that Californians will still resist federal drug laws, even if we had a Repeal Amendment.   Doesn&#039;t this seem obvious?  Same goes for Real ID, gun laws and all the other nullification efforts.    </p>
<p>Also, you stated, &quot;If we are to embrace federalism, the grand experiment the framers and founders created, then this potentially flips too much power to the states. &quot;  Here, you should consider your own assumption.   Your assumption is that if the founders were living today in the midst of our current governments, they would NOT enact a Repeal Amendment.   I think this assumption is a tough leap.  I could certainly see the founders, if they were here today, concluding that the original writing was not restrictive enough on the feds.   On top of including the Repeal Amendment, they might have actually written Art. V differently.   I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they would re-write Art. V today to have the federal government sunset into non-existence every 20 years unless the states extend it in a con-con. </p>
<p>Finally, you state, &quot;I would prefer seeing the emotional, financial, and grassroots investment spent on doing all we can to restore federalism as viewed at our beginning.&quot;   Yes, that seems to be the goal for many of us.  This does not mean, however, the if the founders were around today, they would have written a Constitution exactly the same way.   Jefferson, for example, wrote frequently that the Constitution is flawed and that it will need to be frequently revisited after wisdom is gained into how it could be better. </p>
<p>So, if we are suggesting how to get what was &quot;intended&quot; from the beginning, it could quite certainly be that a whole new writing is in order &#8211; if for nothing more than proper clarification, but in some cases to put more effective checks in place where the original ones prove to be ineffective.   As ought to be clear, the founders had no problem dispensing with the Arts of Confed quite quickly as not workable.   What would make us assume they would not dispense with our Constitution if, armed with our hindsight, they could get together and have another do-over? </p>
<p>Anyway, these discussions have been enjoyable.   Thanks for your thought-provoking article. </p>
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		<title>By: JMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I agree Bob - Too bad this federal government has decided this to be otherwise by ignoring all constitutions when they see it fit, and using them against us when seen profitable.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I agree Bob &#8211; Too bad this federal government has decided this to be otherwise by ignoring all constitutions when they see it fit, and using them against us when seen profitable.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bob Greenslade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Greenslade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;The powers being proposed for the federal government would [not]change that fact.&quot;  ]]></description>
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<p>&quot;The powers being proposed for the federal government would [not]change that fact.&quot;  </p>
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