Let’s Abandon the Constitution, Says Professor

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constitution_redacted1No, not because it cedes too much power to the federal government. Surely that opinion would not be allowed in the New York Times.

Anticipating objections, I agree with the Spoonerite criticism of the Constitution, but in what follows I am acting as a historian and a logician evaluating claims.

Georgetown University’s Louis Michael Seidman writes in the NYT:

“Our obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse. Instead of arguing about what is to be done, we argue about what James Madison might have wanted done 225 years ago…. Imagine that after careful study a government official — say, the president or one of the party leaders in Congress — reaches a considered judgment that a particular course of action is best for the country. Suddenly, someone bursts into the room with new information: a group of white propertied men who have been dead for two centuries, knew nothing of our present situation, acted illegally under existing law and thought it was fine to own slaves might have disagreed with this course of action. Is it even remotely rational that the official should change his or her mind because of this divination?

The issue is not what Madison would have wanted. The point is that republican government is premised on the idea of consent. The people consented to the interpretation of the Constitution that was presented to them in the ratifying conventions. If in the interim no formal change in the Constitution has been forthcoming from the people, then the understanding that was presented at the ratifying conventions must be presumed to stand. Otherwise, professors at Georgetown University could impose their own preferences on the public instead.

As even Alexander Hamilton put it, “Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon themselves collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption, or even knowledge, of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives in a departure from it, prior to such an act.”

Back to Seidman:

Constitutional disobedience may seem radical, but it is as old as the Republic. In fact, the Constitution itself was born of constitutional disobedience.

So two wrongs make a right?

No sooner was the Constitution in place than our leaders began ignoring it. John Adams supported the Alien and Sedition Acts, which violated the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech.

But because there was a First Amendment (and a Tenth Amendment; you didn’t expect Seidman to mention that it was also on Tenth Amendment grounds that dissidents objected to the Alien and Sedition Acts, did you?), it was easier to criticize Adams. The government isn’t even following its own rules, people could say.

Thomas Jefferson thought every constitution should expire after a single generation.

Not true. He mentioned an idea similar to this exactly one time, and then, when its logical problems and impracticalities were described to him, never brought it up again.

He believed the most consequential act of his presidency — the purchase of the Louisiana Territory — exceeded his constitutional powers.

In this he was virtually alone among his party, members of whom assured him that the treaty power included the power to purchase additional territory.

Seidman then lists a bunch of examples of presidents who disobeyed the Constitution. This is supposed to amount to an argument for doing so now. Couldn’t it just as easily be an argument for deciding, once and for all, to abide by the principles of republican government and actually obey the Constitution? Surely we wouldn’t say that the Soviet Union’s long list of atrocities became more legitimate over time because of customary practice.

The fact that dissenting justices regularly, publicly and vociferously assert that their colleagues have ignored the Constitution — in landmark cases from Miranda v. Arizona to Roe v. Wade to Romer v. Evans to Bush v. Gore — should give us pause. The two main rival interpretive methods, “originalism” (divining the framers’ intent) and “living constitutionalism” (reinterpreting the text in light of modern demands), cannot be reconciled.

They cannot be reconciled. That is true. Could one of them be right and the other wrong? This possibility Seidman does not consider. In which of the ratifying conventions were the people told that they would be governed by judges’ subjective decisions as to how the Constitution ought to be adapted to “modern demands”? Nowhere. Therefore, this theory is at odds with republican government, and thus the existence of competing theories does not mean that application of constitutional principles to current issues is a hopeless task. It means some people are right and others wrong, as in any other field of endeavor.

Note, too, how Seidman describes originalism with the word “divining,” as if in order to figure out that most decisions were intended to be left to the states we would need tea leaves, Tarot cards, or sheep entrails.

Our sometimes flagrant disregard of the Constitution has not produced chaos or totalitarianism; on the contrary, it has helped us to grow and prosper.

One might cite the incarceration of the Japanese, the sedition decisions after World War I, and other obvious cases, or even the civil-liberties problems of today, but “helped us to grow and prosper”? FDR, who scarcely even pretended to follow the Constitution, gave us the slowest recovery from a depression in U.S. history. The post-Civil War growth in the U.S. economy was the most robust ever, and most Americans can barely name two of the presidents from that period.

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This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution. We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation.

So it would be better not to have written rules for government in these cases, and just rely on our wise leaders’ good judgment? If we’re going to have a federal government, I’d rather have explicit rules governing its behavior, since when it violates those rules an important pedagogical moment presents itself to us: see, the thing won’t even obey its own rules. What does that tell you about this institution?

The president would have to justify military action against Iran solely on the merits, without shutting down the debate with a claim of unchallengeable constitutional power as commander in chief.

Seidman has been a constitutional law professor for 40 years (which explains a lot), and he actually thinks the issue of presidential war powers is debatable, or that it’s the Constitution that is causing our problems when the president asserts robust powers over foreign policy. He is saying that if only we could get the Constitution behind us, we could have a discussion about this issue. To the contrary, it is the Constitution and the whole testimony of American history through the mid-20th century that stand against the president. See my treatment of presidential war powers.

OK, that’s all I can do.

About Thomas Woods

Thomas E. Woods, Jr. [send him mailvisit his website], a senior fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, is the author of eleven books, most recently Rollback: Repealing Big Government Before the Coming Fiscal Collapse and Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century, as well as the New York Times bestsellers Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse and The Politically Incorrect Guide to American HistoryHe is also the editor of five other books, including the just-released Back on the Road to Serfdom.

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RobertBolender
RobertBolender

I'm curious to know if Thomas E. Woods has read "Hologram of Liberty" by Boston T. Party and wonder what he thinks of the ideas presented?

Monorprise
Monorprise

A more appropriate response to the:  “originalism”  vs “living constitutionalism” debate is simply to point out that originalism produces consistent answers written in the stone of history where as “living constitutionalism” amounts to nothing more than the changing arbitrary will of the living "magistrate".

 

To prove this fact someone merely needs to practice “living constitutionalism” from a different ideological prospective and there are thousands to choose from...

 

Indeed Seidman might be very surprised at just how many conflicting "interperations" we can come up with under his “living constitutionalism” theory.  Many of these other "interperations" I agree would be a far more favorable & perhaps effective limitation on Government  than even the one written & consented to in the stone of history(orginalism).

 

 

Jeff Satin
Jeff Satin

This, Dear Sir, is a must-read group of websites that I personally believe everyone in this nation should see, it is made especially relevant because the Govt.’s own documents and amendments to existing law are used to corroborate it.   I must say that this is what I have personally gleaned from almost 20 years of research both through publications and the Web, I started down this path a long time ago when a representative of a group calling themselves the “Global Prosperity Group” sold me a package of 12 cassette tapes outlining one mans quest to discover exactly what the REAL law was that allowed the IRS to take taxes from us for our wages.   I also include the research on the T.O.N.A. amendment to the Constitution, ( otherwise known as the original 13th amendment) which quietly disappeared from all copies of that great document after 50 years of publication in the Constitutions of several States. It is enough proof to me that it was in fact, ratified and accepted as the law of the land... ( I would be surprised to see it still in the one hanging in the Capitol Rotunda... If it isn’t, that one is a fake.)  

Let me show you how it only takes a few well informed lawyers and politicians to wreck a country, and how long ago all this was perpetrated on us, and I ask, how many people in this country even know this information? The first paragraph below is not aimed at anyone here, it was in response to 145 comments made about the fact that our govt. is considering minting a 1 Trillion Dollar series of Platinum coins, and how appalled I was at the fact no one knew anything about what I revealed to them… Sorry that it is such lengthy reading, but lawyers are a breathy bunch… Here is the link to that article… http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/if-obama-can-just-create-a-trillion-dollar-coin-then-why-do-we-have-to-pay-taxes

It is amazing to me that out of all these comments, no one has seriously touched on the “Trading with the Enemy” Act, the “Emergency and War Powers” Act, the “Federal Reserve Act”, the “IRS Act” “Black Monday” or any of the many things those 500+ critters I laughably call the govt. have done to the rest of us…. Read this

http://perfecteconomy.com/ and this… http://criminalgovernment.com/ and this… http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/emer.html…. and this… http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/enemy.html these use the govt.’s own documents to tell the story…

then tell me how “benevolent” you think the govt. is…

Oh, and I forgot who got us into this mess, and how they covered it up… read this research… http://www.amendment-13.org/ THAT many states couldn’t have been mistaken for THAT long…

It is my SINCERE HOPE that you will take the time to read this material, and if not, I only ask that you not trash it, but pass it on to

someone who can make use of my findings, I have a lot more material, and I am still finding more thanks to people who know how I feel about our nation, and

my wish to bring it back to what it once was...

I include this link about an alternate monetary system, his concept is sound, and he has been doing this research since the 70’s and earlier...

http://perfecteconomy.com/

I am not afraid to sign my name to this, either, I fear it may already be too late in the game to do much about it, but we must at least TRY...

Regards,   Jeff Satin

ObliterateTyranny
ObliterateTyranny

To suspend or do away with the Constitution would be to suspend or do away with the Federal government and the Union; for, if not for the Constitution, the Federal government and this Union does not and cannot exist, unless a new Constitution is created and new compact formed in its place.

 

In other words, if the Federal government was to somehow suspend the Constitution, which cannot be fathomed as to legally how, it would be in effect suspending itself -- committing suicide and terminating its own existence -- because it is the Constitution that defines and creates this Union of sovereign States who are the true parties of the compact, with the Federal government, created by it, meant to serve as their agent for their mutual common defense and general welfare and not the other way around.

 

And, since the Federal government is not a party of the instrument and not a member of the compact that it forms -- not having existed beforehand and so impossible to have signed, ratified or done anything to give it life and is, instead, merely an artificial creature created from its words -- it has no say-so, and cannot have any say-so whatsoever, as to its own existence or as to its eventual death. Only the States and the People, under the Law of Nations upon which the instrument and compact is based, has the lawful authority and sovereign power to decide its content, its true meaning and its eventual fate.

 

If the Federal government were to somehow suspend or do away with the Constitution, it could only do so outside its lawful bounds and authority with usurped powers, against the Constitution and the Law of Nations, as an utterly lawless body that cannot possibly be acknowledged by any other respectable sovereign on this earth as being the least bit legitimate. It would be repugnant in every respect to the Constitution and the Law of Nations. And, for it to afterward by some chance be allowed to subsist and continue to operate, it would require the cooperation of and conspiracy with the rest of the world's sovereigns against ours; and, if they, as such, were to ever allow that to happen, it would make them just the same -- as lawless and as evil -- and, too, our adversary -- till which time those who are truly our friends acknowledge their mistake and have the courage and honor to come to our aid and give us the same courtesy and respect and assistance that any other sovereign nations that are in need deserves under the Law of Nations.

Pierre77L
Pierre77L

It's about time we should tell our families and friends not to obey any law made by Obama administration and their cohorts to circumvent or repeal the U.S. Constitution. We should defend it including our Beloved America with our life and liberyt from every evil that comes forth out of the minds of men. We should never surrender.  FREEDOM AT ANY COST !

vintner888
vintner888

Cite the ONE aspect of the Constitution that is the fundamental ROOT of power and jurisdiction, and all the controversy over the Constitution will be settled. That is simply this: "The highest law in the land belongs solely to the JURIST". We the People" are that power and authority and hold the highest jursdiction over the Fed, State, local governments. It is all about jurisdiction; "they" have stolen that jursidiction, robbing US of our final say in everything. TIME is NOW to FIRE the FED, STATE and LOCALS and install CONSTITUTIONAL representatives. It is OUR RIGHT, OUR AUTHORITY, and OUR JURISDICTION!

zacncat
zacncat

I would even make the case that under the Supremacy Clause that State and Local governmants shall not infringe on that right!!!

zacncat
zacncat

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

I heard a guy the other day explain it as clearly and consicely as I have ever heard....( The Militia is the reason for the Amendment, but clearly the right to bear arms was reserved to the people or individual. The Founders clearly thought that the right to bear arms was a Natural Right, and the Constitution was a limiting document on the government power. As I ask people all the time...What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED  do you not understand?

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

Could someone point out to me which Federalist Papers address the 2nd amendment, what it is meant to be and why?   Thanks

zacncat
zacncat

 @findingthetruth

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed....( i heard a guy the other day explain this as clearly as I have ever heard...( The Militia is the reason for the Amendment, but clearly the right  to bear arms is reserved to the people or individual.) The Founders clearly felt that the right to bear arms was a natural right...this merely made the point...as it is a limiting document on govermental powers....that the government could not infringe upon that right..... pretty simple huh?....  I ask people all the time...." What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED  do you not understand?

piolenc
piolenc like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @findingthetruth I just looked up "arms" in the index of the Mentor paperback edition of The Federalist Papers - no entry. Likewise "firearms" and "weapons." There are many entries for "militia," but none that I can put my finger on that defines the term in relation to firearms ownership or use. I think the problem here is that the existence and fundamental nature of the militia was assumed, and the debate focused on the the use of the militia in times of war or insurrection, under what circumstances the militia could be put into national service, when it would be appropriate to have a standing national army, and so on. The basic idea that free men could have and bear arms didn't require debate. Under "bill of rights," there is a good deal of debate centering on why such a bill should not be in the body of the Constitution and on the hazards associated with future (mis) interpretations of such a Bill, all sadly predictive of the situation we face now. Opponents predicted that the Bill would be misinterpreted as an exhaustive list of the People's rights, and that is indeed happening. They predicted that the wording of each specific protection of a treasured right would be interpreted to LIMIT the exercise of that right, and that is definitely happening with the 2nd Amendment.  The fundamental point of the anti-Bill of Rights folk: We the People are the lawgivers - all rights are ours by default. Only those powers which we explicitly concede to the government should be mentioned in the Constitution. Any mention of our rights in that document contradicts the fundamental nature of the document and seems to limit our rights to those explicitly protected.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@piolenc@findingthetruth

I think you may be putting far too much into this document because its whole intent was to keep Independence in place through Liberty (the limitation of power over Independents) and that is all any of these words in this document are to account for.

This interpretation nonsense is just that word play and has no actions of resolve. Not one of these words has done  a damn thing not one so why the insistence to interpret? What acts does it take to keep your own independence alive folks? Thinking this is not the answer is thinking and words, show me my independence without paper.

 

Arms are necessary because tyrants used arms to Steal from the people, its not a question its a statement of fact in history by example. Actions that went against the people and this is why the Independence way was to be the New way without all the authorities and the abuses of such as not to repeat repeated history.

 

Who creates and sustains Independent living, words on page or decisions and actions by people. Liberty can only be brought about by the actions of its people to limit those in abuse. Organize as many symbols as you must to express that activity but do the act to describe.

 

ObliterateTyranny
ObliterateTyranny like.author.displayName 1 Like

@findingthetruth

Notwithstanding the several State conventions, try FP26 - Hamilton:

 

"Independent of parties in the national legislature itself, as often as the period of discussion arrived, the State legislatures, who will always be not only vigilant but suspicious and jealous guardians of the rights of the citizens against encroachments from the federal government, will constantly have their attention awake to the conduct of the national rulers, and will be ready enough, if any thing improper appears, to sound the alarm to the people, and not only to be the VOICE, but, if necessary, the ARM of their discontent."

 

And, "Annals of Congress, Debates and Proceedings, 1789-1824" (First Congress), Monday, August 17. 1789. Here's a snip-it from that record...

 

AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION.

 

The House again resolved itself into a committee, Mr. Boudinot in the chair, on the proposed amendments to the constitution. The third clause of the fourth proposition in the report was taken into consideration, being as follows: "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."

 

Mr. Gerry.—This declaration of rights, I take it, is intended to secure the people against the mal-administration of the Government; if we could suppose that, in all cases, the rights of the people would be attended to, the occasion for guards of this kind would be removed. Now, I am apprehensive, sir, that this clause would give an opportunity to the people in power to destroy the constitution itself. They can declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms.

 

What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Now, it must be evident, that, under this provision, together with their other powers, Congress could take such measures with respect to a' militia, as to make a standing army necessary. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins. This was actually done by Great Britain at the commencement of the late revolution. They used every means in their power to prevent the establishment of an effective militia to the eastward. The Assembly of Massachusetts, seeing the rapid progress that administration were making to divest them of their inherent privileges, endeavored to counteract them by the organization of the militia; but they were always defeated by the influence of the Crown,...

 

...and so on...

 

More at this address:

 

memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lawhome.html

 

coastx
coastx like.author.displayName 1 Like

The God manifest in the DCBR is a standing threat to any tyrant.  It is also only as viable as people will SYG principled on same.  At the present time, and I know how this sounds to an enlightened audience, but the level of thinking of Americans has pretty much been Honey Boo Booed, and if they don't come out of it we're, er, ah...screwed!

HaroldThomas
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Tom, that is another bravo performance! Thank you for holding accountable Prof. Seidman and everyone else who promotes the so-called "living Constitution."

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

 @HaroldThomas You said it no me, "another bravo performance", Logician, a person skilled at Symbolic Logic, now what activity is that, word performer or Liberty creator?

JennieWalsh
JennieWalsh like.author.displayName 1 Like

I thank God for our Divinely inspired constitution.  If only there were some provision in it on what to do with legislators, executors and judges who violate it.  We must guard the constitution with all powers that we possess.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JennieWalsh You better share with your friends what that is first, "divine" is wise choice, followed by wise actions in the support of something, what are we supporting? Life maybe, Liberty maybe, Our pursuits maybe? We must use the Constitution to support our Independence and we do not need to interpret that act.

jwhite8011
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 @JennieWalsh There IS a provision in the Constitution for what to do with legislators, executives and judges who violate it.  The provision is called IMPEACHMENT.  It should be more familiar to Americans and should be employed more frequently.

 

I suggest an additional provision through new legislation.  Anyone removed from office via impeachment should be stripped of all government benefits, including pensions and perks such as Secret Service, money for presidential libraries, annual allowances for staff, etc.  

RickLapLante
RickLapLante like.author.displayName 1 Like

The Constittution is the covenent that established the federal (now feral) government. We cannot abandon the former without serious consideration to doing thsame with the latter. I think it presumptuous to think of leaving the one without leaving the other and if I recall correctly, that did not work out too well the last time it was tried. The Constitution actually works pretty well when it is actually paid attention to. With our current government not policing itself, there is no impetus for them to cleave to the Constitution. The article is a fool's logic. It presumes a non-sequiter. Our government has already left the Constitution in action if not in words. Obeying the shifting letter of the law but not the spirit. And it shows a great deal of contempt for the citizens from whom it derives it's power that it wants to avoid the hassle and inconvenience of paying lip service to this founding document. I would sooner abandon my current life to fight another losing war of secession.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Gotta love guys like Dr. Woods and Kevin Gutzman!

onetenther
onetenther like.author.displayName 1 Like

On second thought, a new constitution may be in order simply because the meaning of the current one is so twisted to meet the socialist agenda.  One can think of "general welfare".  The modern interpretation seems to want it to mean socialist welfare state but I believe that always meant for the general welfare of the federal government or the states as a whole.  

onetenther
onetenther

States are the only real parties interested in enforcing the constitution simply because it is their liberty that is at stake.  Some might say that states may abuse their nullification power but why would they do that when they already consented to giving away some powers in the first place?  They signed the document saying that the federal government would have these powers!  They were clearly OK with allowing those powers to exist and they will maintain those powers for one very basic reason which is those powers are needed for the benefit of the states themselves.  They need an entity to make treaties so what good will it do them to nullify the treaty making power?  They won't since they can't make treaties but will reject others that interfere with their own powers or they think violate the freedoms of their own people.  They may not mind violating those freedoms but they surely will not let another government do that. 

RedTulie
RedTulie like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @onetenther Actually, state representatives signed those documents many years ago.....I certainly signed no such thing.  Since none of them even deign to obey that which they swore an oath to uphold I should have absolutely NO obligation to respect a single word they might utter.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler like.author.displayName 1 Like

@RedTulie@onetenther

The powers for either are only as good as the activities that support them because the words are simply type on paper. How can a state abuse nullification? Its does not have to accept anything from a federal government that impedes on its Independence no matter what the pages may attest to.

 

An Independent Life supersedes all made up law by any making it. Any form of authority over is a total violation and is clearly allowed do process, what ever process I have to do to keep it in place.

 

 

 

KansasBright
KansasBright like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

The Constitution of the United States of America is NOT the problem.

People, literally the corruption, power hungry, rotten side of the "human condition" is the problem.

But Constitutional remedies were made for that.

Just like today there are remedies for the treasonous actions of Obama, Holder, and the rest of that adminstration.

For the treasonous activities for anyone who is supporting, assisting and implementing UN's Agenda 21 which is the takeover of our country through unconstitutional means (TREASON).

For the senate that ignored Obama's, Panetta's, and Dempsey's treasonous actions - which was treason also - on video in the senate chambers. 

For Boehner who receiving Obama's treasonous letter also committed treason against the USA and his Oath by not doing anything about it.

For those who are so ignorant not to realize that not taking or keeping the legally binding REQUIRED oath that they all are required to take means two things: That they no longer meet the REQUIREMENTS of the position or office they are now occupying. That they have committed a criminal offense for which they can be prosecuted.

 

Supporting the UN and "giving" authority to the UN over the USA. Giving authority over the US Military to the UN, a foreign entity. Some say those are not treasonous actions becasue we have treaties with the UN. They are incorrect.

 

Article 43 Paragraph 3 of the Charter of the United Nations provides that all resolutions or agreements of the United Nations Security Counsel “shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.” 

 

All treaties are subservient to the exclusive congressional power to commence war.

 

So if Georgetown University’s Louis Michael Seidman wants a country without the US Constitution there are plenty for him to choose from. But he is NOT going to take our legitimate government away with his miss statements, misrepresentations of the way this "constitutionally trained" person wants to present it. Very like Obama and his (UN) constitutional teachings. They both need to rethink where they got their education as it is sadly lacking and incorrect.

 

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@KansasBright

Go ahead arrest the corporate tyrants, then take them to their corporate court and when that does not work then what?

 

What is the human condition? Define what you know that is, you sound certain so you must know.

 

There is not one thing here I would not expect from the criminal element, yet so many seem surprised. What were  you all expecting?

 

The same practices from Britain and some different result than the first time?

 

You can only Live independently if you stay separate from those before you which we did not because we refused to use our Declaration of Independence then the very same as we do not use it now and the only one we have to blame is us. That condition is ignorance and that is correctable.

 

RedTulie
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 @WilliamSchooler  That is why it's imperative that we take our courts back.....we can convene our own grand juries.  It always seems to come back to not enough people know what's going on and how utterly messed up things are.  Education, education...... 

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@RedTulie

I do agree, but how? Not by law, its their law, what legal authority do you have? I know what I have and why I have it and I know what it was that semi achieved it to begin with and I know exactly what to do but there is no agreement only divide, divide, divide coupled with education, education, education.

Present education is the cause of the divide, far too much thinking rather than basic knowledge of choice.

All of this is far more difficult than it should be because of education. Most praise complex and Intellectually sound, the problem is words don't fix crap, don't authorize anything and all those so set it on never lived a moment in their lives.

When the divide stops so shall tyranny, and it sucks knowing that, sharing it and never seeing it received. The educated are running this country into the ground and it will not be the so called educated pulling us out. It will be the knowledgeable and those two have a big difference or show me what they have done so far, LOL its that obvious.

 

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

All standing concepts are based completely on a Foundation, the understanding of the foundation by its use and the agreement that holds this value.

 

The constitution is no different, in fact its total alteration was allowed because NO foundation was applied.

 

Our foundation for this country, for this republic and for this nation of States was to be and still is to be the Declaration of Independence for all such matters, for it is the guide for all Independent states of being. Our refusal to use this foundation our own suicide.

 

The constitution was never supposed to be an interpretation, it was meant to be an understanding to support our Foundation as the Liberty part of this foundation only.

 

Logician, a person skilled at Symbolic Logic, but all logic is identified by the examples that support its symbolic description and not by supposed mind mincing of symbols. This is our failure in this country and I can show every example in our foundation as lived and then describe it as lived with organized Symbols and not symbolic made up authority agreed upon by the many who only studied symbolization rather than the historic atrocities by prior Logicians. As painful as that is to you I totally understand your own retaliation to my statement.

 

But every Logician will cry fowl because you all spent way to much effort attempting to consume them all and all are not necessity and nor is authoritative grammar.

 

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