Nullification in One Lesson

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“There’s not much attention paid to the Constitution in Washington. There’s not much attention paid to it by our executive branch of government. And we don’t get much protection from our courts. So one thing that might finally happen from this if the people finally feel so frustrated that they can’t get the results out of Washington — They’re going to start thinking about options. They might start thinking about nullification and a few things like that.” – Rep. Ron Paul

NULLIFICATION?

For anyone unfamiliar with the concept of state nullification, it was the idea expressed by then sitting vice president Thomas Jefferson when he authored what came to be  known as the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798. The resolutions made the case that the federal government is a creature of the states, and that states have the authority to judge the constitutionality of the federal government’s laws and decrees. He also argued that states should refuse to enforce laws which they deem unconstitutional.

James Madison wrote a similar resolution for Virginia that same year, in which he asserted that whenever the federal government exceeds its constitutional limits and begins to oppress the citizens of a state, that state’s legislature is “duty bound” to interpose its power and prevent the federal government from victimizing its people. Very similar to Jefferson’s concept of nullification, Madison’s doctrine of interposition differed in some small but important ways.

These two documents together came to be known as The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions (or Resolves), of 1798. Both were written in response to the dreaded Alien and Sedition Acts, and the phrase, “Principles of ’98″ became shorthand for nullification and / or interposition. Over time, “The Principles of ’98″ would be invoked by many other states, many times for a variety of issues.

A LITTLE MORE

But in order to best-understand what Nullification IS, you should first understand some things nullification is NOT.

Nullification is not secession or insurrection, but neither is it unconditional or unlimited submission. Nullification is not something that requires any decision, statement or action from any branch of the federal government. Nullification is not the result of obtaining a favorable court ruling. Nullification is not the petitioning of the federal government to start doing or to stop doing anything. Nullification doesn’t depend on any federal law being repealed. Nullification does not require permission from any person or institution outside of one’s own state.

So just what IS nullification and how does it happen?

Nullification is any act or set of acts, which has as its end result, a particular federal law being rendered null and void, or just plain unenforceable in your area.

Nullification often begins with members of your state legislature declaring a federal act unconstitutional and then committing to resist its implementation. It usually involves a bill, passed by both houses and signed by your governor. In some cases, it might be approved by the voters of your state directly, in a referendum. It may change your state’s statutory law, or it might even amend your state constitution. In this case, it is quite simply a refusal on the part of your state government to cooperate with, or enforce a particular federal law it deems unconstitutional.

The same process can happen on a local level too. Your county board of commissioners or city council might take up a measure that rejects or resists a federal law. Once it gets passed, all local agencies might be required to refuse compliance with any federal agents trying to enforce the federal act in question.

In either case, Nullification carries with it the force of state or local law. It cannot be legally repealed by Congress without amending the U.S .Constitution. It cannot be lawfully abolished by an executive order. It cannot be overruled by the Supreme Court if the people in the state reject the Court’s opinion. It is the people of a state or local commnunity asserting their rights, acting as a political society in its highest sovereign capacity. It is the moderate, middle way that wisely avoids harsh remedies like secession on the one hand, and slavish, unlimited submission on the other.

It is the constitutional remedy for unconstitutional federal laws.

With the exception of a constitutional amendment, the federal government cannot oppose (except perhaps rhetorically), these actions to nullify an unconstitutional federal law without resorting to extra-legal measures or violence. But such measures would more than likely backfire, since most Americans still believe might does not make right.

There is no question as to whether or when such “official” nullification will happen: It has ALREADY HAPPENED.

In fact, not only has it happened recently, it has been a success! Perhaps this is why the federal government hopes you will never hear about it.

With Massachusetts voters approving Question 3 on November 6, 2012, there are now 18 states that have legalized marijuana use for limited medicinal purposes – in flat out defiance of the Congress, the Executive Branch and the Supreme Court.

AHHH…MEMORIES

There was a time when the federal government took the Constitution seriously enough that Congress actually did what was required to enact a nationwide ban on a substance – amend the Constitution. Even though the experiment would eventually be viewed as  a failure, the 18th Amendment was passed, and the era known as “Prohibition” began. Four years later, it was repealed.

Burt when it comes to marijuana prohibition, the feds pulled another trick out of their sleeves. All three branches of the federal government agreed on a very novel, liberal interpretation of the “commerce clause,” allowing them to regulate virtually any substance, including marijuana, even though legal commerce involving pot doesn’t exist. Since that time, the federal government has claimed, with a straight face, that it has the power to regulate and ban a plant grown in your own back yard, never sold, and never leaving your property – all under the interstate “commerce clause.”

THE BLUEPRINT

But the states just aren’t buying it and it has implications far wider than they want you to know.

Mark Kreslins points out:

“..medical marijuana now poses a real threat to the enforcement power of the Federal Government. With state after state defying Washington D.C. over this issue..Washington D.C. has a choice to make; enforce their laws based on a very liberal interpretation of the Commerce Clause by sending thousands of DEA agents into all fifty states, or look the other way. Thus far, they’ve chosen to look the other way,  for if they create the appearance of a Federal takeover of police powers in the States, they will fully expose their extra-constitutional behavior and provoke a direct confrontation with the States who will use the 10th Amendment (hopefully) to defend their prerogatives.”

Whatever your view may be regarding marijuana use, medical or otherwise, one thing is apparent: Nullification is happening right now, and it works! Washington DC will just have to get used to it because this same method can be applied to virtually any issue.

In fact, this type of action is building on many issues, including resisting so-called “indefinite detention” powers or violations of the 4th amendment by the TSA. Pick a constitutional violation, and say NO in your state, county, city, or town.

That’s the blueprint. When enough people stand up and say NO to a federal act or mandate – and enough states pass laws backing them up, there’s not much the federal government can do to force their unconstitutional rules, laws or mandates down our throats.

THE FUTURE?

What remains to be seen whether state governments will be willing to use their power to “officially” interpose themselves between agents of the federal government and the people of their state. In the unlikely event that one or more branches of the federal government decides to take extra-legal measures to punish residents of a state for exercising their constitutional rights in defiance of unconstitutional federal laws, will that state’s government have the courage to hamper or even neutralize such extra-legal measures?

There are a whole host of peaceful actions that a state government can adopt if that day comes, or appears to be just over the horizon. These measures range from county sheriffs requiring that federal agents receive written permission from the sheriff before acting in their county, to setting up a Federal Tax escrow account, which could potentially de-fund unconstitutional federal activities by requiring that all federal taxes come first to the state’s department of revenue.

Besides state interposition, the other thing Washington would have to consider is whether enough of their agents would actually obey orders to punish people for exercising their constitutional rights. There is a significant chance that enough of them would either publicly or privately decide in advance to ignore such orders. As the probability of this increases, it becomes more likely that Washington will not risk overplaying its hand. The reality is that Washington just doesn’t have the manpower to enforce all of their unconstitutional laws if enough states choose to defy them.

Of course, it all depends on the people of the several states: ordinary people like you and I.

Although I’ve discovered that there are more elected representatives at the state level who are committed to acting in a courageous and principled manner than I ever dared hope, most of their peers lack such a brave commitment. Most of them will stick their head in the sand, or sit on the fence, until they determine which way the wind is blowing. And so it’s our opinion, not the opinion of the American people in aggregate, but our opinion as citizens of our respective states, that will influence the decision of our state representatives to either stand tall or to kneel down and knuckle under.

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Question: do you even know the men and women who represent you? I’m not talking about those who represent you in Washington, but rather in Phoenix, Salem, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Denver, Austin, Oklahoma City, Tallahassee, Atlanta, Nashville, Richmond, Harrisburg, Indianapolis, Columbus and Springfield.

If you don’t know them, and you care about our republic, you should make it your highest priority to get to know them and establish rapport with them as soon as possible.

For any of you who really want to preserve our union, and at the same time retain your rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, I can’t say it any better than 2008 presidential nominee of the Constitution Party, Chuck Baldwin:

“..it is absolutely obligatory that freedom-minded Americans refocus their attention to electing State legislators, governors, judges and sheriffs who will fearlessly defend their God-given liberties..as plainly and emphatically as I know how to say it, I am telling you: ONLY THE STATES CAN DEFEND OUR LIBERTY NOW! ..this reality means we will have to completely readjust our thinking and priorities.”

Michael Maharrey and Michael Boldin contributed to this article.

About Derek Sheriff

Derek Sheriff [send him email] is a research analyst for the Tenth Amendment Center. His articles have appeared in various publications, and he writes regularly for the Center on issues related to state sovereignty and nullification. His blog and podcast "Principles of '98" can be found at www.PrinciplesOfNinetyEight.Com. View his Tenth Amendment Center blog archives here, and his article archives here.

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107 comments
Rae Bakken
Rae Bakken

e-mail then they send back a bunch of bull with their own agenda on it anyway. Probably automaticly. But I'm flooding them anyway.

Loretta J. Crowley
Loretta J. Crowley

Intervention to get the Drug Runners out of our Government business!

Paul Bennett
Paul Bennett

Its time to kick there ass out of office!!

Patricia McDonough
Patricia McDonough

They don't give a shite about us. They've been bought and paid for and have won the gravy train lottery for their future. Believe me their retirement isn't anything like ours.

Phyllis Klosinski
Phyllis Klosinski

Perhaps you might consider my solution. Instead of just calling my State Senator and Representative in addition I contact the Senate and House leaders, and any and all Senators or Representatives listed as authors on bills I support or oppose. I realize this is time consuming but just contact as many as you can. Also send e-mails and ask questions, don't just call to complain or support ask why and what you can do to assist.

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

Yeah, time to nullify D.C...................

Andrew Wynn
Andrew Wynn

The States agreed to allow the federal government to exist under the terms of the contract we call the Constitution, but now the federal government refuses to honor the contract and with each unConstitutional act nullifies the very instrument by which it exists. It is DEFINITELY time for the States to act!

Tenth Amendment Center
Tenth Amendment Center

Calls to your STATE and LOCAL folks, right Brian Boyer? Because that's how to nullify.

Hunter John
Hunter John

amen ! intervene before govt kills the patient> govt in denial too long !

Ron Hurst
Ron Hurst

Yes because they listen and care what we think..

Joni Weaver
Joni Weaver

you can call but won't get an answer

Connie Stanson
Connie Stanson

Yes we do but which one do you think we will get ?

Deborah Smith
Deborah Smith

yea, your calls will mean so much.i can't believe how many don't see the gigantic writing on the wall.

Brian Boyer
Brian Boyer

We have to make those calls . Speak up people

akble
akble

think most of this was overturned when Nat Guard took over University from George Wallace- does not make it right

coastx
coastx

 @akble That was an exercise in Communitarian "mission creep".  Most domestic false flag terrorism is.

dereksheriff
dereksheriff

 @akble Don't misunderstand what I'm going to say here. I consider government mandated segregation to be immoral and unjust. However, the fact that the US Gov stepped in and used military force to compel a state to do something didn't overturn anything. Just as legality does not establish morality, military victories do not establish constitutionality, legality or morality either.

Anne_Ominous
Anne_Ominous

Don't forget Madison's Report of 1800, a couple of years later, in which he expanded upon his earlier resolution, and explicitly stated that the Supreme Court is susceptible to corruption and power-grabbing, just like the other branches.

 

And hey, TenthAmendment Center: I'm going to keep telling you this until you get off it and get a decent comment system: I *STILL* can't log in using my Firefox browser. I got it working in Chrome and Safari, but still no go with Firefox. The login window pops up then instantly goes away. Even with all script blockers and everything like that turned off.

 

AND... this is also an important point: for a site that is supposed to love freedom and privacy, it sure does host a lot of scripts that track users! According to my Do Not Track application, you have NO LESS THAN 11 DIFFERENT TRACKERS on this site. They are:

 

1. Twitter Badge

 

2. Facebook Connect

 

3. Google "+1"

 

4. LinkedIn

 

5. Hellobar

 

6. AddThis

 

7. ShareThis

 

8. Google Analytics

 

9. GetSatisfaction

 

10. Quantcast

 

11. Comscore Beacon.

 

Don't let anybody tell you that these scripts don't track users: they do. I am a professional web developer, I have used many of them myself, and I know exactly how they work. (I should qualify that: I do not use them unless a client expressly asks for them, and even then I try to talk them out of it.)

 

 

far2right
far2right

Will you tenthers ever stop using the canard of "medical" marijuana as a justification for nullification?

 

Jeez.  Just come out and say it, you love being potheads.

 

No one is ever going to be arrested for "recreational" marijuana use.

 

If you get caught with a "recreational" amount of pot, you are stupid and deserve to spend some time in jail.

 

How about focusing on  a matter of much greater importance.

 

For example, in my state of Tennessee was passed the Health Care Freedom Act. which is supposed to protect Tennesseans from forced health care if they so choose not to comply with 0bamacare.

 

However, it turns out there is no teeth to this law.

 

0ba-mao will still take my tax dollars if I refuse to comply.

 

And the state of Tennessee has absolutely no way to protect me from a tyrannical federal government.

 

Hell, Haslam is already caving on the health care exchange issue.

 

How can I possibly trust that this limp wrist will have my back?

 

So, Mr. Nullifier.

 

What good is nullification if the state cannot protect its citizens? 

 

You are fooling your readers.

Michael Boldin
Michael Boldin moderator

 @far2right nope.  will you ever stop being a constitution-hating jerk?  probably not either.  

far2right
far2right

 @Michael Boldin Will you ever do anything more constructive than fight for your right to get stoned?

 

Here we are about to lose our inalienable right to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical general government and all you seem to care about is ditch weed.

 

I've been asking for weeks now if the TAC is crafting model legislation for states to make it a felony for any federal agent to violate the 2nd Amendment protection. I'd like to get this before my representative.  So far the TAC has only put forth language to protect firearms and ammo made and used in a respective state.  This is very narrow in scope and  near useless.

 

How about directing me to someone in the TAC who gives a damn about the right to keep and bear arms and I will happily dispense with you?

friendoffar2right
friendoffar2right

@Michael Boldin @far2right I see the 1st Amendment is alive and well at the TAC. Go eff yourself.

dereksheriff
dereksheriff

 @far2right wrote: "Jeez.  Just come out and say it, you love being potheads."

 

Seriously? I'm so tired of having to address this ridiculous complaint (and yes, it's a COMPLAINT as opposed to a principled objection).

 

First, I certainly don't use marijuana. Second, why don't YOU just come out and admit that you only care about enforcing the Constitution when it affects a right YOU happen to care about personally? Better yet, you should dig deep and find the kind of courage that the "potheads" have managed to find, stand up to the Obama administration and exercise the rights you happen to value instead of criticizing those who are actually taking a risk to stand up for the ones THEY happen to value more. At least they have guts.

 

Instead of acting, you choose to whine that "0ba-mao will still take my tax dollars if I refuse to comply." Well BOO HOO HOO HOO! The founders sacrificed a lot more than a little tax money. Ask yourself what they would do, then go and do likewise. 

 

Your state has lots of ways protect you from a tyrannical federal government. But people like you focus their energy on criticizing and complaining instead of organizing and pressuring their state officials. If nullification fails in your state, then accept your share of the responsibility and either keep fighting or move to another state where the prospects for liberty are better.

 

 

far2right
far2right

 @dereksheriff "First, I certainly don't use marijuana."

 

Judging by your note, I say that you are a dopehead and it has severely reduced your IQ.

 

So, let me break it down in the most simple manner so that even you can understand, even without putting your bong down.

 

No serious minded libertarian is taking the nullification movement seriously so long as the focus is pot.  Since potheads are now the poster children for liberty and nullification we will never win over most Tea Partyers and especially conservatives.  This is a stupid strategy.

 

Secondly, the THCF Act WAS spawned by our nullification movement.  My rant was that no teeth were put into the supposed law. The law has all the force of a state resolution.

 

Nowhere did I say I was laying down arms, giving up and curling into a fetal position.  It is your stupidity that invented that.

 

What I am trying to get threw that pot induced fog of yours is that we are not that bright.  And we need to learn a lesson from this Tennessee experiment.

 

I suppose this is attributable to all the pot going around.

far2right
far2right

 @dereksheriff BTW Einstein, since you did not notice, we in the Knoxville Tea Party are the sole reason why Tennessee may not initiate a state run exchange.  It is the Tea Party, not the 10th AC leading this fight.  Hopefully we will prevail, but it is an uphill battle, even with a super majority of ill informed Republicans.

 

It would be great if the 10th AC was more than a thought-tank and would join in the fight in a meaningful, tangible manner.

 

Drop the pot agenda and do something useful.

 

If you do this then you will win over super-conservative Tea Partyers (not just rebellious kids).

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@dereksheriff

The true complaint is your own agreement by lack of knowledge versus the abundance on such a subject and all principled choice has to do with what? Life?

 

So would you like a star because you do not use a Life plant meant to be used for many reasons? So now you have become the authority by this lack of such knowledge correct? Then what are you looking for agreement into your cause?

 

Does it really take all this courage you make up in your mind or does it actually take good decision skill? How do all things become cerated and completed? Courage or good choice and activities to deliver?

 

As for criticizing and lack of actions by groups and many in them I totally agree because so many are stuck on everyone else’s idea instead of investigation versus assumption.

 

The focus should be solutions, but is nullification the total of the solution and the solution for what? What are we creating a solution for? Isn’t Nullification itself an opposition to who? Tyrants? Which way of life do they exists in, which way of life do they not exist in. Is Liberty present in the same way and dissolved in the other as well?

 

I have been saying for a few years now our Declaration of Independence holds all the values we need to use every single day but no one ever ask why, never questions if that is even possible and then turns around and tells me they are the solution but carry no basis of such, it is amusing at best.

 

But you go ahead and call everybody else names in an attempt to make them look bad so what you may look good? Is there some solution in this concept? So we are all of the sudden pot heads and you hold the whole of all knowledge and authority I take it?

 

I have sacrificed a massive amount of time and research and activities so my founders have not one thing on me, in fact I found them as able as I and me as able as them, meaning they were no more capable than you or I so stop already. If they were so god like show me the results that substantiates everything this did provided no other lessons. Its funny how some only THINK they hold some key, yet they cannot find the lock to open. So if you are speaking from your own experience then I get it, I am certainly speaking from mine. Criticalness has always been a true sign of the ignorance, maybe you should investigate that statement. We must value one another as we value ourselves or there is no value of respect at all. Solutions are found from participation and investigations and not by someone weird view. The ability to listen is the biggest part of participating because it is hard to investigate ideas if you never hear them. Also there is no one life knows all concept because the tyrants have already dominated this concept and look at those results.

 

There is LIFE and when each in life participate in our own support what kind of support do we give ourselves? If we recreate Liberty in this country once again by our constitution and application of through nullification will be because we understand exactly what we are challenging for and not because we are critical of each other. When do we focus on what we are, when do we focus on which way of life we choose? How can you live no way of life? Is that a way of life? Doesn’t way indicate a direction, so which direction is this?

 

So please share with me your knowledge, suggestions and forget your criticalness and let us work together, participate with one another and deliver to US the various parts needed to create this whole of what ever that is, what is it?

 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @far2right I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, but Tennessee Plan> State legislature> George Soros ANAI.  Tennessee's lost it's virginity - and a handful of it's female residents - to the NSC, my friend, and people there STILL do not know what's happened! 

 

You're state's citizens are living in a Brother's Grimm fairy tale dreamworld.  You folks have HUGE issues with occult rendition in your state, again people oblivious to their circumstances high on the air wafting in from the Smokies and all that forest that surrounds y'all.  Wake up, guy.  Good grief you are stupid beyond belief. 

 

The plan was to use Tennessee as the national model for economic reform to augment Obama's HCR.  Tandem legislation.  Dually effective in collapsing economic infrastructure, and he's coming back at you his next term.  People are fools.  The word revolves around you and your silly assed ideas, and it's being overwhelmed by the NSC in the process.  Makes you proud, eh?  You narcissistic jerk.

far2right
far2right

 @gypsynovus Dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo.

 

It's OK to listen to the voices in your head.

 

But do us a favor and only act on them in the privacy of your own home.

 

Best of luck to you and all the friends inside you.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @far2right The Tennessee Battle Cry, the Dootle, goes something like this, "Dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo".  Hey, you were just Dootling!  You go girl!

babcicathy
babcicathy

 @gypsynovus  @far2right 

I went to "George Soros ANAI" and found a blogsite which asserts that the Baptist Church is in cahoots with the Vatican to house abducted children being sold into slavery internationally.  Because I find that more than ridiculous, I will no longer read anything posted by "gypsynovus".  

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @babcicathy  @far2right Let's see.  What's going to work here.  Let's try this.

 

http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2011/10/has-british-monarchy-been-running.html

 

If after reading the material on this site you still feel intimidated by reality, I will gladly redirect you to a therapist who can wake you up.  You are making an effort, and that's worth something to those of us who see the light coming on.  Try this site.  Review some of the material there, particularly the link to Schaefer, then decide.  This will change your mind.

KansasBright
KansasBright like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @far2right You are incorrect. First state Sheriff's are a huge part of the state's defense against any invasion, incluiding that of the feds {people made states, states made the constitution, constitution is the blueprint for the fed gov, etc.

 

What is left out is the State Militia. The state militia is that every able bodied person in the state between age 18 - 45 ARE the state militia, and when called upon by their state, are required to defend the state from ALL invaders, including Domestic Enemies attempting to destroy the legitimate government. That is why the citizens in the USA MUST be armed, and are supposed to also be trained.

 

Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 1164, a law which breaks the militia down into three groups. The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia,

The unorganized militia and

The regular army.

It states: The militia encompasses every able-bodied person - used to say males because only men could serve in fighting positions -  between the ages of 18 and 45.

All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of ANY type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

 

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and DUTY to be at all times armed; … " Thomas Jefferson, letter to Justice John Cartwright (emphasis is mine)

 

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and this without any qualification as to their condition or degree, as is the case in the British government." St. George Tucker, a lawyer, Revolutionary War militia officer, legal scholar, and later a U.S. District Court judge -  the Supreme Court has cited Tucker in over forty cases. One can find Tucker in the major cases of virtually every Supreme Court era."

 

William Rawle, authored "A View of the Constitution of the United States of America" (1829). His work was adopted as a constitutional law textbook at West Point and other institutions. He describes the scope of the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms: "The prohibition is general. No clause in the constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both".

 

Justice Story, Supreme Court Associate Justice about the Second Amendment wrote:

'The next amendment is: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.'

 

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

 

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry, American Patriot

 

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them." Zachariah Johnson, Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

 

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Richard Henry Lee, American Statesman, 1788

 

"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

 

far2right
far2right

 @KansasBright Great.  Let me know who the Tennessee sheriff, militia (organized or unorganized) who can walk into the IRS office in Washington, D.C. and retrieve my mandate tax that they will seize from me at gunpoint.

 

Everything you just described does me not a whit of good to bar the feds from making me pay the penalty tax of 0ba-maocare.

KansasBright
KansasBright

 @far2right Get the forms here at this site to get "your" state representatives to nullify or ban Obamacare, NDAA, Patriot Act, etc.

You will need to read your state constitution and fill the information in at the appropriate points. What you will also get from reading it (make sure it is the current version) is what your state reps can and canNOT do.

As far as your sheriffs go, I would send them to the Constitutional Sheriff (cspoa) conventions to learn more about their position under the US Constitution.

babcicathy
babcicathy like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @far2right "Hell, Haslam is already caving on the health care exchange issue."

 

Where?

 

"And the state of Tennessee has absolutely no way to protect me from a tyrannical federal government."

 

You're kidding, right?

far2right
far2right

 @babcicathy The Knoxville Tea Party is working to educate state congressional members on the matter of state exchanges and why Tennessee should decline.  A common misconception among Republicans is that if a state provides an exchange, it retains control of the exchange's provisions (including coverage for abortifacients). This is completely untrue as the HHS secretary will deem, under her sole whim, whether or not a state's exchange provides what the feds want provided.

 

Haslam is prepared to recommend a state exchange.

 

He will then let the house and senate battle it out so he does not have to be seen as the bad guy.

 

As for state protection, how exactly will my sheriff keep the IRS from taking my money to pay the mandate tax?

 

It's not about what we want.

 

It's about what we can and cannot do.

 

The TN HCFA has no teeth except on the state level.

 

In practicality, it is worthless.

 

I will be on my own if I wish to not comply with 0bamacare.

 

Sakes, I often think the TAC is nothing more than a front organization for the legalization of marijuana. 

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@KansasBright@far2right@babcicathy

How much agreement in this country do we have to pay taxes? Tons, there are millions who think and agree we should pay taxes.

 

How many do we have agreeing to Obummercare? Again millions and thats a lot of agreement, decision and activity of support.

 

But lets see how much agreement for another form of life, how much agreement do we have to be a Republic way of life? How many do you know that are eating sleeping and deciding to be and create a Republic? WOW that many.

 

Lets see how many agree that Life is a great choice to support, how many do you know that eat and and choose everything based upon LIFE? Wow, about the same amount as a Republic.

 

Now lets look at how many agree to Liberty as a limit of Government by a constitution, how many is that? Crap agreement is just not there is it?

 

But you put some social, authoritative law in place and agreement goes out the roof. This is what most are NOT looking at because they want to look at all the dip shits and poor choice makers of our world, of our states and focus all their energy on that CRAP, worse yet we want to agree it is a part of us rather than refusing its concept at all. We spend all our time, and all our energy STUCK on THEIR stupid ideas and then agree its the authority. Personally this is dumb but thats just from my experience and recognizing I didn’t know a damn thing, but don’t let my lessons sway you in any other direction please. Please hold on to THEIR ideas and please continue the same poor habits you have your whole life because agreement is paramount to actions.

 

See the thing I recognized is these things were all good lessons if were to look at them in this manner and that we could use these as informed choices to make far better choices and far better agreements. But what the hell do I know, I see the results of what everyone else knows and it just doesn’t add up yet it persists. How does anything in this life persist? This is very valid question and has a very valid answer, here it is, by agreement because this is how capable life is. That does lead to make me question my own thinking, but I am the only one that needs to do that so don’t worry.

 

What are lessons and what is education really? Better yet what is an agreement? What makes that even possible at all?

 

How does ignorance itself persist?

 

KansasBright
KansasBright

 @far2right  @WilliamSchooler  @babcicathy Look up the IRS. When was it LEGALLY given power ? What about that they added the RFID chips back into Obamacare that a lot of us and Ron Paul forced to be taken out of it (Yeah, all who are on Obamacare are to be microchipped. Look up microchipping in vacines while you are at it.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) provides tax credits and subsidies for the purchase of qualifying health insurance plans on state-run insurance exchanges. Contrary to expectations, many states are refusing or otherwise failing to create such exchanges. An Internal Revenue Service (IRS) rule purports to extend these tax credits and subsidies to the purchase of health insurance in federal exchanges created in states without exchanges of their own. This rule lacks statutory authority. The text, structure, and history of the Act show that tax credits and subsidies are not available in federally run exchanges. The IRS rule is contrary to congressional intent and cannot be justified on other legal grounds. Because the granting of tax credits can trigger the imposition of fines on employers, the IRS rule is likely to be challenged in court.

states could kill Obamacare by refusing to implement its insurance exchanges. This strategy would be effective because the survival of PPACA depends on the ability of Beltway bureaucrats to dole out its tax credits and subsidies, but the law stipulates that all such assistance must be dispensed via state-run exchanges. Likewise, PPACA's employer mandates can only be triggered by premium assistance that originates from state exchanges. Even if the federal government creates an exchange in a state that has declined to do so, it would not be authorized to issue tax credits or fine noncompliant businesses. Thus, if the majority of the states refuse to create exchanges, it will doom Obamacare. There is, however, one weakness inherent in this strategy. It assumes that the Obama administration will obey the law. The plan will be difficult to implement if the President and his accomplices simply ignore the text of PPACA and illegally funnel tax credits and subsidies through federally-created exchanges.

KansasBright
KansasBright

 @WilliamSchooler  Exactly. They can do nothing without our agreement, and our money.

Don't buy things that you don't need, and can use if SHTF. Starving them out helps.

Let your representatives know that you want them arrested for XX (list them) crimes they have committed for prosecution. Let them know that YOU know that when they broke the Oath they made themselves NO LONGER MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OFFICE / POSTION THEY NOW OCCUPY and you want to replce them immediately and are working to do so.

 Educate any military, ask Oathkeepers to puts some billboards up and iv you can afford to, assist by donating. Support constitutional sheriffs, any law enforcement (LEO's), judges that have done their job properly like the judge who decided that the NDAA IS unconstitutional and that it could not be used against Americans.

Let all unconstitutional and corrupt representatives, judges (like the one who did Obama's bidding to stop the NDAA constitutional judge - GET THEIR NAMES OUT IN THE PUBLIC - listing their crimes), LEO's, Military - whatever their rank (Like Dempsey, quasi military Panetta) be brought out into the open, listing their crimes for all to see and exactly how it can affect them. Tying this to their own lives will make education of the public easier.

DEMAND that the Head of the FCC and about 4 layers beneath be arrested for THEIR crimes against the USA and her people:

“It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the Government itself or a private licensee. It is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here. That right may not constitutionally be abridged either by Congress or by the FCC.” Supreme Court, Red Lion v. FCC,1969

People do not know when those who are in those postions commit crimes, especially those who have immigrated here from tyrat ran countries. They do NOT know that a document can be a government, while the people serving in it are just temp workers (yes, higher paid, bigger lifestye, and better benes) grabbing power they legally do not have.

“God provided that in this land of liberty, our political allegiance shall run not to individuals, that is, to government officials, no matter how great or how small they may be. Under His plan our allegiance and the only allegiance we owe as citizens or denizens of the United States, runs to our inspired Constitution which God himself set up. So runs the oath of office of those who participate in government. A certain loyalty we do owe to the office which a man holds, but even here we owe just by reason of our citizenship, no loyalty to the man himself. In other countries it is to the individual that allegiance runs. This principle of allegiance to the Constitution is basic to our freedom. It is one of the great principles that distinguishes this “land of liberty” from other countries”. J. Reuben Clark

 

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@gypsynovus

I am constant, I persist and I will not veer. I am living as I say, independent, as Life (all encompassing) I dare not promote any other act but Liberty, I choose not to live any other life but A Republic way and my strengths have become this life I have chosen. I have declared myself separate from the Aliens of our time and signed my copy of my Declaration of Independence because I am who I say I am by my actions. I am new to my state and my community and becoming established. I am finding many around me that have high agreement in what I promote which is different from where I came from.

 

I am a producer of this nation with accomplished products and services which created my own demand. I have taken these acts, this knowledge and am starting to communicate with these successful actions versus all these other ideologies that have not produced the desired results I choose to live which means and intends I am being honest with myself and not made up by the falseness that surrounds me.

 

Logic is only a view of something workable in a direction that can be shown and answers the apparent questions living around us daily. Miss information has far too much agreement and this agreement is literally personal choice that it is fare and just which by its results verifies it is false. The decision so powerful it will not allow new information in, it will not allow the act of listening and duplication or the ability to understand by questions and conversation. Participation with one another is not the act of no listening, it is the exact opposite. Show me in a Republic way of life where participation of the Life, the public, the people do not participate.

Those in agreement with Governing bodies, refusal to support Liberty by such agreement are not honest with them. It is one thing to say you are against something but it is true gift to show without question you are living in such a manner. The willingness to listen, the willingness to discuss, the willingness to take the time and figure out how these things relate to our own lives paramount to our own choice make capabilities and really says out loud the willingness to participate in growth of my and your own Republic way of life. I deliver to you these ideas as they are lived daily by choice and those in refusal only refusing what they say they believe.

 

KansasBright
KansasBright

 @far2right You are right, to "yell "Nullification under the 10th Amendment"" would not work. But if you get YOUR state to nullify it, and the Patriot Act, and all the warrantless stuff. Get all the Sheriffs as constitutional sheriffs in your state, get Your governor to start requiring militia training, and order weapons... get together with other states that have done the same .. hmmmm think that might help?

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@far2right@babcicathy

Man you have to love the power of agreement, thank you for the example of how that is done.

 

Its funny how all reality is only by our own agreement and as long as we hold that view it will continue to persist.

Its terrible the deciding would become useless over useful, that is such a limited view and one I refuse to hold on to thanks.

 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @WilliamSchooler  @far2right  @babcicathy All of you, GET A GRIP!  That's what counts in these challenging times of occult government, repatriation and American ideological flippancy!  William, do something, I don't know, LOGICAL, maybe, with this crowd!  NOW, William!

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @far2right  @babcicathy Yeah, it's a violation of the law, so we're going to hold'm accountable, right Babs?  Uh, will, er... They don't follow the law already, Babs, so maybe it doesn't matter, eh?  Oh well, let's eat!

far2right
far2right

 @WilliamSchooler  @babcicathy You can walk up to the fence at  Pennsylvania Avenue and flip 0bama two birds and yell "Nullification under the 10th Amendment".

 

He will still exact his penalty tax on you if you decide not to get health insurance.

 

You are powerless to avoid it, for now.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler like.author.displayName 1 Like

@far2right@babcicathy

Man I love symbolism and those who authorize it, this is the confusion isn’t it? Principal/Principle and we wonder what is wrong with communications in our world. It was created this way on purpose for this very reason. Get past it and figure out how to live and then describe it the best you can with a hatchet job language.

 

I am so far from high it isn’t even funny and it is so typical of the miss informed to propose bad information.

 

Why does Obummercare tax provisions work automatically at the federal Level? Would that be the peoples federal level or the corporate federal level? Which one do you choose or go into agreement with?

 

WOW! you give these Federal Aliens a lot of ability, how small are you? What is agreement?

 

I happen to believe in the 10th amendment by a Peoples Republic, the problem I am having is all this agreement that federal Aliens in a corporation have more force than I which I entirely disagree. I work to inform others to stop going into agreement with the corporation and their false ideas like Marijuana is bad for you, that Liberty is bad for you, and security is good for you. How could a federal anything become so powerful without any agreement? It cannot but you go ahead and keep giving your own agreement and never ask yourself why and then call me high and out of it. Really, its impressive at best and a great example of what really ales us. I know symbolism carries for more weight than actions correct?

 

I wonder how Independence ever came to be in the first place? Agreement to an out of control king or agreement on Living as a Republic where the true deciding could accomplish great things at will? Which “Principles” Support this concept or idea when making such choices? The Kings?

 

far2right
far2right

 @WilliamSchooler  @babcicathy 

"Principal", "miss information".

 

Remember from grade school.  Principal is your "pal".  Viz, a principal is a person.

 

A little mnemonic device for you that I believe you can remember even when you are high.

 

Justify your marijuana habit all you will.  The fact remains that it clouds thinking as is clear in your case.

 

So, let me try to break it down for you in the most simple form so that you can understand it even while under the influence.

 

0bamacare's tax provision works automatically at the federal level.

 

Folks in Tennessee cheered the passage of the TN Health Care Freedom Act supposedly provide protection for its citizens who did not want 0bamacare forced on them.

 

The fact is, there is nothing the state of Tennessee, "rallying around those who live by my same principles", a state militia, sheriff of Jedi Master can do to prevent the feds from automatically taking the tax penalty.

 

Finally, you wrote, "Here is one of the best examples of most in movements and why achievement is ridiculous."

 

Well then, why the hell are you even on this blog?

 

far2right
far2right

 @babcicathy This is what we are hearing from our state legislature contacts.  Haslam was ready to make his recommendation for an exchange and then Sebelious gave a deadline extension.

 

Super majority does not matter when many Repubs assume the state has control over what the state exchange offers as products.  But this is completely untrue.  Sebelius (Dr. Tiller the baby killer's friend) decides if an exchange is suitable.

 

My state representative is the most conservative, constitutionally minded state rep I know of.  He was caught off guard at our last Tea Party meeting to not know that the state does not control what is offered in state run exchanges.

 

It is my understanding that even if Haslam recommends a state exchange, the legislature still has to approve it.

 

What we plan to do is hold our legislature's feet to the fire by reminding them of the TN HCFA and tell them that a vote for the exchange is a violation of this law for those of us who do not want 0-care forced on us.

 

But we are just one small Tea Party.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

@far2right@babcicathy

Here is one of the best examples of most in movements and why achievement is ridiculous.

 

“The Tea Party is working to educate their state Congress”

What if they do not wish to be educated, what if they have decided to do the acts of all the other stupid aliens around them? Who the hell is the state congress, your authority for anything to take place? What if they have been resisting for decades?

 

Then this tops it off and says what is wrong in this world today; “I will be on my own if I wish to not comply with Obummercare”

 

Really, did you make this choice all on your own? You didn’t rally around those who live by your own principals? What are your principals? Since the Aliens have their own set of Principals that directly oppose your’s which principals are yours and which are theirs?

 

Mine are very simple and are written on the only competent instruction sheet ever written to date, although I have personally rewritten this document. These are LIFE, LIBERTY and the Pursuit of Happiness and every choice I ever make is comprised of these and helps me to see those not acting with these.

 

Now for all of you confused about Marijuana and believe me it is your confusion, get a grip on you. Many of us have done our research and are behind this for health itself. If you wish to sit in ignorance go ahead but this cause is far greater than anything you have known in history because nothing has been lied about this long anywhere in any civilization. Those that created your miss information are not even your friends and have not one bit of support for you, they have no principals of promoting Life or Liberty and they only want to control what you pursue period. So you get a grip on you and either do the homework or shut up because your own ignorance is showing on a public forum. Those of us who have become informed are making this choice based upon the facts and not the ignorance. I am not a pot head, but I did test eating it for a health issue and let me tell you something personally, you are being lied to in the highest degree, now ask you why this is?

 

babcicathy
babcicathy

 @far2right 

 

You said:

"Haslam is prepared to recommend a state exchange. He will then let the house and senate battle it out so he does not have to be seen as the bad guy."

 

Tell me how you know what Haslam is prepared to do?  And, the two houses of the TN state government have GOP SUPER majorities.  Who will be battling over what?

 

 

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