On Repealing the 17th Amendment Part I: Agreement

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There recently appeared an article at Salon critical of the idea of repealing the 17th Amendment. In it, author Alex Seitz-Wald explains how the desire to return the selection of U.S. Senators back over to the state legislatures, as opposed to direct election now, developed, and why it would be harmful if tried. In this piece, the first of two on the subject, I’ll summarize the argument, argue the benefits of repealing this amendment, and correct a few points made by Seitz-Wald.

His overview is that the idea had been a “hobbyhorse of the fringe right” for quite some time, until the Tea Party-types and Glenn Beck helped popularize it. Now that having states represented in congress has become more of a mainstream issue, a number of politicians are beginning to promote the idea. Among them are Utah’s Senator Mike Lee, Jeff Flake of Arizona, and Todd Akin (yes, that Todd Akin) of Missouri, both of whom are senate candidates for the GOP. Other prominent republicans who have supported a return to the original selection of the senate are Alan Keyes, Zell Miller, and Ron Paul.

The chief reason for repealing this amendment is to return the senate to its original purpose of representing the states. The theory is that with senators beholden to the states the balance of power would shift in their favor, and we’d return to something more akin to federalism. In this way states would not be so powerless as to have overbearing laws forced upon them, such as REAL ID for example, without at least having a say in the matter. It would also mean that unfunded liabilities and other programs mandated by the federal government, but not specifically funded by it, would not be so easily rammed through if the states could block them in the senate.

This whole argument ignores which powers ought to be granted to government in general (if any) and instead focuses on how they should be divided between the states and the federal government. I’ll cover the former issue in the second article, but for now I’ll focus on how dividing government power between various levels is preferable to consolidating it in one body.

One could argue, quite convincingly I add, that things really began deteriorating just after the turn of the 20th Century. The progressive era ushered in a massive shift in the attitude regarding the roles and legitimate powers of government. While a few positive things happened – the 19th Amendment being one of them – others were not so great for the cause of liberty.

Anti-trust legislation broke apart highly successful firms that had dramatically increased the standard of living by bringing down the prices of oil, transportation, and many other consumer and capital goods. There was the 16th Amendment, which established an income tax, punishing success and effectively making every U.S. citizen a servant to the federal government. The nation’s third central bank, the Federal Reserve System, was established and since then we’ve seen the deleterious effects of the business cycle greatly expand. To say that the value of the currency has fallen precipitously since then would be profound understatement; and many wars have been financed through debt and inflation that otherwise might have been prevented. There was alcohol prohibition, which begot organized crime and contributed greatly to police and prosecutorial corruption. Finally, there was the First World War, and in its wake, the rise of international organizations beginning with the League of Nations, and ultimately, the rise of fascism.

To be clear, I’m not suggesting that all of these things happened because of the 17th Amendment. I’m merely placing its passage in the context of the time, and showing how a shift in the attitude of government lead to both the decline in influence of the states and the consolidation of power at the national level. In this way we can see how the rise of the centralized state is harmful to liberty.

Eschewing federalism and accepting the national government as a just and good paternal institution was quite popular at the time. The attitude then, just as it is now in most circles, is that if a social or economic problem exists, the solution is to simply create another federal agency or bureaucracy, or establish a commission to study and report back on the issue. Perhaps the only real difference between then and now is that it was a fairly new approach then; almost 100 years later this naive concept has been a demonstrable failure, but it’s no less popular.

Now, the means by which senators are chosen isn’t really the issue so much as where their loyalties lie. When “the people” elect senators the very purpose of the senate is lost. Contrary to Seitz-Ward’s opening paragraph, in which he extols the virtues of democracy, at least some purpose is served when not every function of government is dependent on a popular vote. When authority is assigned through a popular vote power is actually vested in fewer hands than when a competing entity, such as a state, has a role in the decision. For when states are vested with a share in authority, the federal government must be willing to include their collective wishes or be barred from acting.

Something the founders counted on was a jealousy of one branch’s own power, such that one entity wouldn’t be so willing to cede control and allow any other branch to become too powerful. This clearly didn’t last, hence parties are always competing to hold the White House, Congress, and stack the Supreme Court in their favor, so that they can control the direction of the federal government. Having states hold a portion of that power may not put the brakes on every piece of onerous legislation that comes from on High, but if enough states are divided on the issue it could put a stop to some bills that otherwise would pass.

Seitz-Ward asks “Why would anyone want to take away people’s rights to elect their senators?” His answer is that “if state legislators elect senators, Congress will be responsive to the needs of state governments, and thus preserve states’ rights and prerogatives.” There is no explanation as to why this might be a positive thing, simply more condescending rhetoric about the Right’s “fetishization of a revisionist view of the Founders,” and “glorification of the past that didn’t exist.” What he fails to understand or admit is that federalism is a far better way to protect individual rights than consolidated power. When a national government founded on democracy holds all of the power, the rights of minorities are more easily repressed than when member-states exercise some autonomy.

Imagine a scenario where the majority of the national congress is fervently anti-gay, or at the very least, so committed to appearing united that they continue to pass legislation that makes life increasingly difficult for gays. Now, not everyone in the country is so biased against gays and a number of organizations form to restore their rights. Some states even begin passing laws to protect gays and even to punish those who oppress them under the cover of federal law.

Are we to believe that Seitz-Ward or other contemporary opponents of so-called states’ rights would find this type of non-compliance objectionable? After all, this very scenario played out leading up to and during the War Between the States. The federal government enshrined slavery in the constitution and passed legislation that reinforced the institution for over half a century. A number of the states began taking action long before the federal government finally got around to passing the 13th Amendment. So this idea that everything would be better if the states would just cow to their federal overlords is wrong in theory as well as in practice.

But Seitz-Ward doesn’t rest his entire argument on a cartoon version of the theory of states’ rights. He notes the original reason for the change came about as a result of corruption within the senate. Imagine that! A group of men paid with stolen money and whose official duties involve criminal behavior as a matter of routine being corrupt. He cites the senate’s official history, which states that “Intimidation and bribery marked some of the states’ selection of senators. Nine bribery cases were brought before the Senate between 1866 and 1906.” (Don’t worry though, this is the history written by the Good and Just senate, not the defiled and unclean senate to which it refers).

Anyone who believes that bribery and intimidation aren’t still part of the process is deluding himself. The difference between then and now, if any exists at all, is that such threats and greasing of palms is done even further below the table, or veiled in such a way as to go largely undetected. After all, let’s not forget that a certain former Illinois governor is sitting in a cage after being convicted of trying to auction off a U.S. senate seat just a few years ago.

Finally, Seitz-Ward quotes Lewis Gould, a professor emeritus, who taught history at the University of Texas: “For every Lincoln-Douglass debate, you get some more sordid characters where there was talk about legislators being bribed, or being found with women, or being drunk and voting when they’re hung over, all sorts of things.”

Oh, what a dark and libertine period in U.S. history this was; just think how far we’ve come. In the time since, political scandals have evolved significantly and have included a senator driving while intoxicated, resulting in the death of his girlfriend; another senator with a “wide stance” was caught soliciting sex in an airport restroom. There was Rep. William J. Jefferson’s freezer/piggy bank, senator John Ensign’s affair with an aide’s wife, John Edwards’ own big love, Rep. Charlie Rangel’s tax returns, and Anthony Weiner’s… you get the point.

The reality is that corruption and politics are words so closely associated the two are practically synonyms. And whether the 17th Amendment has improved congress’ morality and ethics is debatable. But one sure thing is that it helped shift the power structure to the federal government and put the states – and by extension the citizenry – at the mercy of a national government. Repealing it wouldn’t be a panacea, but it’s one way in which to restore some features of the republic.

About Joel Poindexter

Joel Poindexter is a student working toward a degree in economics. His writing has been published by the Ludwig von Mises Institute, LewRockwell.com and the Tenth Amendment Center. He lives with his wife and daughter near Kansas City. See his blog. Send him mail.

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Monorprise
Monorprise

I of course agree with repealing the 17th amedment for all the reasons you gave, but your rebutle of Salon's weak attack upon the idea was most insitefull.

 

I do however think much more could be said about the corruption of the senate after the 17th amendment than before.  Not that the issue of mere corruption of officers should ever be thought to justify the effective abolition of their vital constitutional function.  Such an idea is of course akin to foolish practice of curing the disease by killing the patient. 

Eric S. Harris
Eric S. Harris

The usually reliable salon.com once again delivers.

Gerard Schilling
Gerard Schilling

17th destroyed the checks and balances and turned our Republic into a democracy that plus the federal reserve has destroyed this country.

Mick Burke
Mick Burke

The united States were overthrown by The United States when the 17th amendment was passed.

Joel Poindexter
Joel Poindexter

@Ray Hyde: Are you suggesting that, if by some miracle, the federal government returned to it's 1791 level of power, that society too would regress?

Ray Hyde
Ray Hyde

Yeah, lets go back to 1791. That should work well.

Ray Hyde
Ray Hyde

Oh gee, legitimate powers. Read the preamble: defense, domestic tranquility, general welfare. It explains why all the rest was written. It is a two hundred year old document written by folks who could never have imagined our world. Get over it.

Bernie Way
Bernie Way

Repeal the 14th, 16th, and 17th amendments and you can return to the original Constitution of 1791.

Mike Seebeck
Mike Seebeck

Repeal the 1913 Coup Trifecta of the 17th and 17th Amendments and the Fed Reserve Act

Dave Cate
Dave Cate

What is needed it to repeal the ones the Progressives have done since 1913 that allowed the power to do what they have done. The first one that did that was the 17th Amendment. The second part that allowed that to take place you are not going to fix right away and that is the Study Of Case Law as the basis of the system of Laws that we have in this country instead of looking at what the Constitution said was The Law and calling it good, again, more Progressivism. That one Amendment alone really kicked the can down the road to make all of what has happened since 1913 when it was Ratified. Amendment 17 - Senators Elected by Popular Vote The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures. When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. Notes for this amendment: Proposed 5/13/1912 Ratified 4/8/1913 History Article 1, Section 3 If that Amendment is not repealed, it will provide them an Easy Avenue to go back and undo any success that could be made in stopping the expansion of the Federal Government, because that is what that Amendment was designed to do, that being to Destroy The Constitution. Now if you really want to see into the mind of the Mad Man that mastermind this Madness, read this book, it is downloadable. Congressional government: a study in American politics By Woodrow Wilson http://books.google.com/books?id=7kgvAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=woodrow+wilson&hl=en&ei=7JXZTKmpC4SosAOd0dmSCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false In the first 16 pages you will also notice that another Mad person has read it and I am sure has a copy of it in her hip pocket, or in her personal library for sure. That Madwoman is Nancy Pelosi, This Is Her Play Book. Repealing the 17th is the Quickest Way To Begin To Strengthen The 10th, if you do not do that any efforts at strengthening the 10th will be eventually marginalized by what the 17th allows. The 17th is the Progressive lynch pin in the first attacks made against The Constitution, and allowed all the rest to follow to get us to where we are now. If you do not repeal the 17th, the same mechanism that allowed Progressives to start dismantling the Constitution, “Will Remain In Place”. We Do Not Need More Amendments, We Must Repeal The Ones That Allowed Progressivism To Flourish In The First Place. Consider what repealing the 17th would do, along with adhering to the 10th. That would Immediately return power back to the States, “All Of Them” not just the ones that didn’t like this law or that law, it will return it back to how the Founding Fathers Intended it to be. Having “Two” houses of Government, The Peoples House being the House Of Representatives, and The Senate, being the advocate of The States Rights. The 17th Amendment created “Two” Houses Of Representatives, and nullified the voice of the people in the rural areas of any state, and concentrated the power to elect senators in the Population centers, which if you think about the time the 17th was added to the Constitution, that is where the population of the country was shifting to, from the rural areas to the cities. The Progressives of that time “Knew That” and took advantage of that by adding the 17th Amendment to the Constitution. So lets fix what was broken, and not muddle it up more with Amendments that duplicate ones that already exist, either by repeal and or adherence to the ones the Founding Fathers Gave us.

Neena Benghazigate Lane
Neena Benghazigate Lane

I agree. There'd be a lot less playing to party. How's about some Congressional term limits while we're at it?

onetenther
onetenther like.author.displayName 1 Like

Why not just give state legislators the ability to directly recall either state senators and state representatives?  This way we can avoid the entire argument about 'democracy' and give state legislators the ability to recall senators when they don't comply with the wishes of the state legislator of the state that they are from. 

Monorprise
Monorprise

@onetenther

I like and would support the idea, but the cost of holding an election is extordary.  To recall senators imply that the state would then  have to hold an expensive special election to replace them.(expending both money and voter fatigue)

That is of course unless you are going to let the governor or leglsator elect their replacement, in which case your talking about repealing the 17th anyway.

 

onetenther
onetenther

 @Monorprise Some provision can be added that the legislators can temporarily choose someone to fill in the void or perhaps have no one in the void until the next election. 

onetenther
onetenther

 @Monorprise I was talking about having the legislator themselves having the power to recall them with a majority vote of their own legislative bodies.  I wasn't talking about the voters doing it.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

This is only more proof British Barbarism was infiltrating our ranks. The truth no senator from any state would or could stand for the people of that state without a devoted choice to use and comply with the Declaration of Independence. In fact the changes to our constitution since its origin are simply marks of poor decision making not based on such a document. This same idea revolves in states as well, that corporatism and Money are high priorities for our states to survive only intruding even more of the forces of British Royalist THINK. Yet so many will go on and on and on about rhetoric versus verification of fact.

 

Fact Our Federal Government has been a Corporation since President Lincoln because of British cartels. Fact, the Federal Reserve system is a system of the Rothchilds family entirely devoted to his Royalty of the British Royal class. They regard themselves as gods or above you normal Life forms.

Fact, taxation is the this system to cause debt to the life around them, to owe them the masters of the universe as the Gods for which they think they are.

Fact, the system of Corporations was a creation of this group for the soul purpose to support their Corporate entity which is signified as a person and not the Life that you are.

 

Since all Senators to date do not live by the Declaration of Independence as the choice option to be separated from British Rule Dominance then we are engrossed in such a engagements versus a separation at all. Bought souls could be the best expression to describe this today. Instead off honesty to self as LIFE to thy community and all life with in it. To live as Republic which is Public in total participation not with permission but entirely without their permissions. For Life in Liberty to Speak its findings, and its peace of mind.

 

Fact, the Constitution is not a binding document by those in Federal Government because their loyalty is to the Corporation and not to the people or the LIFE within each state. You should all get this in your own heads very clearly. You should all understand that the Declaration of Independence not only declared this separation it also spelled out if this separation was ever compromised what to do exactly. Yet you disregard your first basic principals of such a separation. Then you want to use a tyrannical Government body to fix itself which by all activity has shown it to be null and void. Until the LIfe, the people decide to own the Constitution as their limits upon such a governing Body, until Life understand the Declaration of Independence as its life's blood of all choice making in the United States of America will we consistently fail at our activities.

 

As the 10nth amendment center is aware I rewrote the Declaration of Independence from lessons learned in a new unit of time to create such a separation. I did it because it asked me to, I did it because all choices I make are based entirely upon such a document. I did it because I know the facts very well by the results that sit right before our FACES and I share with you these truths for which you refuse to seek. You can pretend that you will change any amendment in this constitution and receive a compliance because your Federal Government is and is documented as A Corporate entity. This corporate entity is directly tied to the British Royal Corporation in conjunction with the Rothchilds Dynasty which in the original form is who we were separating our selves from in the original intent. They used the king as they have used all Governments conforming to their very signatory practices. This being there Idea of money, their idea of law and their ideas of authority all which are made up by them for them and nothing to do with the likes of you period.

 

Now you can sit there, and you can argue or you can go out and verify each one of these acts and if they all turn out to be true then I suggest a real good listen because I am not going to keep repeating myself for ever. All actions are decided, this is done by LIFE, you the person holding such life. The reason you hold liberty in place by holding Government to very confined and limited rules by a constitution is because if you do not what you see taking place will again as history has shown will repeat. It is up to you to be the example and in order to be this example you must have a strong foundation in which to CHOOSE from in order to do the activities that support you personally as well as all those around you who value such principals. All choices are by you for you and acted upon by you or they do not exist period and you are responsible without question regardless of what you choose or do not shall be your own lessons.

 

So with that said I will with full permission resend My Declaration of Independence and ask Michael to consider posting this for open discussion as A Republic. No compromise with take place in this document, the only changes will enforce its actions or no change will take place. This is a statement of fact and it becomes whole heartedly your choice to deliver to you this life you state you wish to live, this decision, these acts will all be performed by you the Life of you in your own state and by not making this decisions is as much a choice as there is.

 

Its time folks to get some work done and what we should be focusing on is the new Government we are creating to exclude the old Government which sold itself out to our opposition, the rulers of destruction, the authorities to no one but themselves. It is time to recognize ourselves and be everything we are capable of or you are lying to yourselves.

I rest my case in all honesty with me and shared with you as I find these truths undeniably.

 

Genuinely,

William Schooler

A Producing American

 

onetenther
onetenther

I think any constitutional amendment doing so would have to expressly forbid states from allowing senators to be directly elected by popular vote.   Many states before the 17th amendment actually allowed this.  I do agree with this but if you say it out loud people accuse you of being against democracy.   boo hoo hoo

Monorprise
Monorprise

 @onetenther  I don't think such a requirement could be imposed any better than the already existing requirement writen in the Federal Constitution to that same effect.

 

The States that held elected senators before the 17th amendment did so somewhat "under the legal table" if you will.

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