Let’s face it, the federal government is broken.
It is dysfunctional, unconstitutional, careening towards a cliff at breakneck speed, and if it is not stopped, it will drag us all down with it. Am I being too harsh? Am I flat out wrong? Or am I saying what a lot of you are thinking?
We have been watching this process as it has picked up speed since the sixties, but it has really taken off since 9-11. For those who believe in big government, and they sit on both sides of the aisle, 9-11 was a crisis too good to let go to waste. In the name of security we have seen a federal government grow like a black hole sucking in state powers, sovereignty and our liberties.
But they tell us it’s for our own good, you know, “to keep us safe from the bad guys.”
If I am spied on, arrested and thrown in jail indefinitely, have my free speech curtailed, am not allowed to show my displeasure at the government, and finally I can be killed at the pleasure of the government, does it really matter if it was done by “bad guys” the or the “good guys?”
So, what do we do about it? Well let’s look at the ways that we have up to this point used to express our displeasure with the federal government.
Option #1
I think it was best said by Joel Poindexter in This time, let’s do something that works!
Unhappy with the direction the country has been moving, there is a large and growing constituency of voters who are in search of a solution, or remedy, if you will. Some have caught onto the fact that voting bums out only gets us more bums, but most are convinced that we just need the right bums in charge. Apparently the last 1800 senators and 10,000 representatives weren’t enough to convince these voters that perhaps there’s more to the problem than just the people in charge.
I got a little more of the “we need new bums” when I sat through another sound bite a minute candidates forum for U.S. Congress. I’m not saying these people were not sincere, but what’s with the “I have a (fill in the number) point plan” that lists all these things that they will repeal when they get to Washington? What is the office they are running for, dictator? The last I knew, they would be just be one of 435 Representatives, and they would need to convince a majority of them and the Senate and the President to repeal some of this stuff. Let’s face it, that’s not likely!
So that’s it - just elect me and all will be well, and you can all just sit back relax, cause I have got it covered!
Option one has worked out well so far hasn’t it?
Option #2
You have seen this dozens of times and it usually is accompanied with a plea for a donation to “our group so that we can reach even more people to spread the word.” Option two is petition, protest, and lobby, or let’s just call it what it really is, beg your federal congressman.
Well, let’s see the success rate on that one using the biggest expansion of the federal government beyond the bounds of the Constitution in perhaps American history, with its encroachment on your freedom – Obamacare. Phone calls, petitions and Town Hall protests were running hundreds if not thousands to one against this legislation, did it stop it? No, of course not. There was too much backdoor wheeling and dealing, and political arm twisting, and your opinion just didn’t really matter.
Option two not working out either, so what is next?
Option #3
Now this one will work, right? It’s got to because we are out of options, right? So, here goes, it’s that tried and true option three, the one that never fails to save our freedoms from the overreaching federal government – litigate/sue! Or in everyday parlance, beg the federal courts.
Don’t you just love all this begging?
What could go wrong with this option? We go hat in hand to federal judges (lawyers) who were nominated by the President (federal government) and confirmed by the Senate (federal government) with life time appointments to the Judiciary (federal government), who are collecting a federal government paycheck and ask them to limit the power of the federal government.
Really, that is it – option three. Nobody out their sees the flaw in this option? When you do not win in the courts what is the battle cry? Well just wait till “we” have control of the presidency and the Senate and then we will get the judges we want.
Please refer back to option one.
So far option #3 is not working out. But maybe instead of options we really should be calling these what they are, strikes – as in strike 3 and you are out!
Just submit to your federal overlords because they know best, your opinion is not needed here: just move along! Maybe it is best stated by C. S. Lewis,
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
Now you can waste a lot of time and energy trying these three options that only will work if they will let you win which is not likely, but I like to just jump to the option that will work whether they like it or not, it is what any three year old can do just say, NO!
Option #4
First a few quotes from the founders who were seeking ratification of the Constitution to set the stage for just saying NO!
Henry Lee, “It goes on the principal that all power is in the people, and that rulers have no powers but what are enumerated in that paper. When a question arises with respect to the legality of any power, exercised or assumed by Congress, it is plain on the side of the governed. Is it enumerated in the Constitution? If it be, it is legal and just. It is otherwise arbitrary and unconstitutional.”
George Nicholas, “the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.”
Even before the Constitution was ratified it was understood that the states, and ultimately the people, and not the new general government, were in charge. Later this understanding was expounded upon by two of our most famous founders.
“and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them.”- James Madison, Virginia Resolutions, 1798
The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798-99 were based on the ideas of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wherein it is stated: “… that the general government is the exclusive judge of the extent of the powers delegated to it, stop nothing short of despotism – since the discretion of those who administer the government, and not the Constitution, would be the measure of their powers. That the several states who formed that instrument, being sovereign and independent, have the unquestionable right to judge of its infraction; and, That a nullification, by those sovereignties, of all unauthorized acts done under color of that instrument, is the rightful remedy.”
The best way to tell you what interposition or nullification is, is by telling you what it is not.
“Nullification is not secession or insurrection, but neither is it unconditional or unlimited submission. Nullification is not something that requires any decision, statement or action from any branch of the federal government. Nullification is not the result of obtaining a favorable court ruling. Nullification is not the petitioning of the federal government to start doing or to stop doing anything. Nullification doesn’t depend on any federal law being repealed. Nullification does not require permission from any person or institution outside of one’s own state. “
If that is what it is not, then what is nullification?
“Nullification begins with a decision made in your state legislature to resist a federal law deemed to be unconstitutional. It usually involves a bill, which is passed by both houses and is signed by your governor. In some cases, it might be approved by the voters of your state directly, in a referendum. It may change your state’s statutory law or it might even amend your state constitution. It is a refusal on the part of your state government to cooperate with, or enforce any federal law it deems to be unconstitutional.”
“Nullification carries with it the force of state law. It cannot be legally repealed by Congress without amending the US Constitution. It cannot be lawfully abolished by an executive order. It cannot be overruled by the Supreme Court. It is the people of a state asserting their constitutional rights by acting as a political society in their highest sovereign capacity. It is the moderate, middle way that wisely avoids harsh remedies like secession on the one hand and slavish, unlimited submission on the other. It is the constitutional remedy for unconstitutional federal laws.“ Nullification: It’s Official by Derek Sheriff
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That is the essence of Option #4. It only requires state legislators and a governor that will to stand up for their citizens. Now the question: have YOU elected people to your state that will stand up for the Tenth Amendment, State Sovereignty and your rights?
And one final quote from Samuel Adams for those who don’t want to stand up to the federal government and assert their God given rights,
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom – go home from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
@libertyideals NOPE THERE IS AN WORLD WITH POSSIBILITY MUCH LOVE TO YA NY.
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There’s only one solution to stop the Federal government in its tracks..stop any and all payments to the IRS! Companies stop making payroll deductions and don’t individuals worry about their tax refunds because without the IRS they’ll be better off than any refund due them this year. The Federal government is only as good as we allow it to be by paying for them to function and the day we (I mean every real patriotic American taxpayer) say enough is the day we can begin a road to really recovering our rights/freedoms within a Constitutional Republic. All other options are only illusions..period!
@OldWarhorse I Wholeheartedly Agree with You on this Matter as I Have been Promoting the Same Suggestion for quite some time now . The Truly unfortunate side of this idea IS that MOST Citizens are not even aware that this CAN be done Absolutely Legally because they ARE NOT Obligated for / Subject to the “Income Tax” . Sadly , Most people do not even attempt to sort out this issue nor commit enough effort to see it through when they are confused in the slightest ! It takes some measure of Critical and Analytical persistence which People seem to fear doing because they Doubt themselves and their reasoning abilities . This has quite a bit to do with the Intentional Design (Lack of instruction / education for the understanding of the Correct interpretation of the Constitution) of the “Criminals” , and the Lack of “Independence” and “Sovereignty” Awareness by FAR Too Many in this Country … And the World for that Matter . This Approach Suggested by YOU, here, in this post Is what I consider THE most Significant response / Tactic We can Employ in a Still Peaceful Resolute Manner . I believe the Passive approach has waned / passed and now , due to the Impending Crisis / Situation We presently Face , we Must take Stronger action to atleast present the Ominous threat of Force to give greater weight of necessity to “Peaceful” means . This “Don’t Feed the Beast” approach works in two important regards ; To Diminish Fed Gov’t revenue ( wooops , there goes the Printing Press again !) and Retain More Revenue for those in Opposition to Federal Gov’t Abuse / Excess / Tyranny . If this action triggers Martial law or Rampant Abuses by the Federal Gov’t then it would seem to necessitate the use of Arms in Defense of One’s Freedom and Liberty much as the Founders of this Country did when it was concluded as Necessary . Or One can resolve to not participate in any of this due the Understanding / Awareness of One’s truly “Independent” nature which seems to be William Schooler’s ascription ( if only we could enough people onboard with the idea , we Could reverse this present Morbid Crisis ) . I know there are those who think that because one discusses ( or is ”Resolved” with ) this Idea , that makes that person a “Warmonger” who thinks of using guns / war far too readily . This is Not the Case ! It is a Matter of believing it is inevitable , and whether to wait till they Come against you in your own Backyard / House or whether to Amass a Citizen Militia to Counter their EVIL DOING ; whether by Appearance / Threat or Action depends on whether They (Criminals) Correct Themselves and Their Criminal Activities. At the very least we should put up /in place a competent ready Defense . And yet , perhaps we argue over what really amounts to “Shades Of Gray” when it comes to the Interpretation of what extent “Force” (and What is the nature of that Force ) is brought to bear . William Schooler seems to think he has been enlightened with a unique and “revolutionary” idea and Chastens anyone who does’nt advocate his idea . To William Schooler I state that Although I agree with You to a great extent we’re talking about the Gov’t putting itself above the individual while Raping and Pillaging the Citizenry (No longer “Gov’t” but “Criminal” Activity) and anyone else it can (without Listening / Heeding the Redresses of the People) , All with our “Passive” consent ( lack of enough force to prevent it from happening ) ! Now , whether Society is Guilty of Way too Damn much ‘Self-Indulgence” or “Commercial Excess” which Drives markets and social influence to the point of creating transient investment / insecurity for the greater portion of society and largely facilitated by the involvement of Gov’t in Subsidizing Activities of a Large Nature / scope thus creating a conflict of ideals ( Socialism vs Individualism ) , is yet another point which I have Always claimed true . I believe I now realize the underlying theme of Your position in regard to the Concept of “Getting in touch with” and understanding One’s innate Being so one will awaken to One’s ultimate Choices ( to Not Fight / War over that which One can choose to not be a part of and therefore not be obligated to preserve / protect ) in Lieu of Combat (not in Defense of One’s Self) over what is “essentially” non essential ( Am I close ? ) . In other words Remove oneself from the Abusive and Corrupting Activities/ Influences of what has become a Fascist Gov’t / State thereby minimizing its Negative Affect on Oneself , as an Alternative to Fighting / Warring over that which is typically not readily understood nor perceived and thereby positioning oneself ( and all of us collectively ) in a position to “Starve the Bitch” rather than be Coerced into believe we must “Act Directly against it . I believe this ”Independent” approach ( while the “original” intention of our ”Revolutionary” Idea ( keep Gov’t small and less interface ) , which BTW I prefer myself ! ) is Not enough for Society ( I believe most prefer a Hybrid of ”Individualism” and “State” which is what We Have ) . What You profess as THE answer IS in Fact Not THE answer , just Part of THE answer . The Reality IS that Our Society exists with a Dual / Hybrid Nature ie. ”Individualism” and in a Larger sense a “Constitutional Republicanism” which is to serve us in the preservation of Our “Individualism” / “Sovereignty” from Larger forces / Abuses of power Against us ( albeit Ironic ! ) . Hence the Societal need to collectively deal with it’s Gov’t . Agreed ?
@ThePainefulTruth@OldWarhorse
How interesting.
@WilliamSchooler Well , tell me what you think . I’m open for Opinion / Your take on my post . Did we misunderstand each other ? Did I get the “Gist’ of your understanding ? What I posted certainly IS my understanding . I certainly Don’t want to Continue any Venting of a personal nature on the site because I think it uncouth and not beneficial to the readers on this forum.
@ThePainefulTruth
Honestly, I don’t think you could handle the painful truth so I didn’t post what I wrote and said interesting. The only painful truth I know is honesty to be the best policy, but some only claim it versus live it.
@WilliamSchooler So far , the ONLY thing YOU Have Done on This Forum is Reveal how Simpleminded , Ingenuine , Hypocritical , Cowardly and Stupid you ARE ! You Mouth off as If you were somehow THE Genuine Article when it comes to “Understanding and Truth” , YET You Have’nt ”PROVEN” ANYTHING YOU CLAIM ! ? Nor , Substantiated One Damn thing ! BUT YOU DEMAND PROOF AND SUBSTATIATION OF OTHERS ! ! HOW UTTERLY HYPOCRITICAL AND ASSININE OF YOU ! What a WHINY IGNORAMUS you Have PROVEN to BE , BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS , FOOL ! What’s the Matter … Can’t back up you LIP when it comes to YOUR CLAIMS of “ORIGINAL OWNERSHIP” of “Liberty Experienced” , “USE” and “UNDERSTANDING” of the Constitution , “ORIGINAL THOUGHT” of what PURPOSE the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE Serves ( MISSION STATEMENT , YOU MORON ! ) , YOUR ”UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE” and “QUALIFICATION” to Reveal these “SELF-PROCLAIMED” SECRETS / TRUTHS ( we’re All individual Free Moral Agents , Blah , Blah , Blah , Youuu Hack ) ! ! REALLY ! ! ? JUST HOW FREAKIN’ STUPID ARE YOU ! You’re Nothing but a POSER and A LIAR ! ! I Give You the Opportunity to Make Your CASE to Prove Me WRONG and what do you do… You Go LIMP like the PUNK You ARE ! NOW I’m CALLIN’ YOU OUT BITCH ! Make your Defense or SHUT The HELL UP and Take your Sorry ASS back to the APPALACHIAN WOODS “Deliverance Boy” ! You SICKEN ME with All your Backseat Potshots at the Other Commentor’s Sense of Reality and Understandings and NEVER EXPLAIN OR PROVE WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU SO GOD DAMN RELEVANT !! YOUR just a WANNABE IRRELEVANT OLD FART who RESENTS EVERYBODY with Atleast a 5th grade Education , you LOUSY CHICKEN HEARTED SNOTNOSE PUNK ! GO DO WHAT YOU WERE BORN TO DO … HIDE BEHIND YOUR SELF-PROCLAIMED YET UNPROVEN SECRETS AND TRUTHS LIKE THE DELINQUENT LOSER YOU ARE ! And as I said Before … SHUT YOUR MOUTH , BITCH !
@ThePainefulTruth
OK.
I doubt you have the security clearance to get past the front door, even so with your attitude you wouldn’t be allowed in.
The art of controlling ones mouth is basic to getting any clearance.
Now that you have vented, sorry, but at this point I will apply my first amendment right to freedom of speech…unless of course you also do not believe in our constitution.
I will only ask you a couple of questions-
If this effort is so completely off, why did the Pentagon official request us to continue?
Why is it that several hundred thousand listened to one of the shows I was on?
How is it that my address to our military went all over the globe?
>I will not endanger those involved because someone who has no standing requires it. No matter what.
And yes, several have been killed over this effort that doesn’t exist and has no official standing.
-After you get done puking, see if you have the self control to offer an answer to any of the above questions.
Show me your best.
Prove how much you know and that you might have the sense to offer a real answer instead of just trying to scream in a chat…
@WilliamSchooler Good Grief , You just can’t control yourself, Can You ? “Honesty” is an intention / qualified condition or charateristic , it says Nothing of Your Stupidity revealed by You “Honestly” . That’s the Only credible thing You Have Revealed in All Your BLATHERINGS ! It’s as if You’re trying to Build up a “CULT” following Based on “Hidden Gnosis” to be Forever Claimed against any and all Who Just Don’t ”GET’ or ‘ACCEPT’ WHAT THE HELL IT IS YOU PROCLAIM ! First , Only the Ignorant would think you “Reveal” something “Enlightening” of “SuperNatural” Revelation . Second , You Do Have a “Gift” of “SuperNaturally” Horrible expression . Third , What You Claim as “Revelatory” Insight / Wisdom is just You coming out of a Low level Condition of Stupifying Ignorance based on the simple Chance that , with Enough Time to Experience Enough Ideas and Expressions from the World Around You , You have Simply put together ( FINALLY ! ) enough pieces of the MATRIX to come up with a “REVELATION” ! ( VOILA ! , MY SECRET GNOSIS ) of what IS Generally Considered “COMMON KNOWLEDGE” and Even “OLD NEWS” ( 235+ yrs ) ! WOW ! What a SAGE You ARE . It’s just that You’ve Been Sooo Ignorant for Sooo Long that you’re Caught by Startling Suprise when you Finally “Get a Clue” ! That said , there are Phrases that apply to Your Condition of “BEING” , such as ”IGNORANCE is BLISS” ! and “STUPID is as STUPID DOES” ! and “CRAZY people Don’t Know They’re CRAZY” ! So, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT “CULT” FOLLOWING ! … I Wonder IF those Two “Dupes” Ever Came Back ? … PUTZ !
@DrakeBailey Who are you ? And Why are you addressing me ?
@DrakeBailey Who ARE YOU ? And Why are you addressing Me ? To what are You rebutting / referring to ?
@ThePainefulTruth I am one of those who is involved in our coming revolution.
Most of the troops are paying attention.
BUT I see you can’t even answer a simple question or three…?
My post/answer to your rant.
@DrakeBailey But , to what do you refer ?
@DrakeBailey But , to what do you refer and why You ? I have’nt addressed you . Are you referring to a particular post . Which post ?
@DrakeBailey I still Don ‘t Know You or Who you are and Why you’re Addressing me , but if it Helps You i will Give my answers to your Three questions . 1) I Don’t know of What “Effort” you Speak of 2) I Don’t know Anything about the Show you Were on 3) I Don’t Know Anything about any address you gave . I Don’t know You or What You Speak of and Why You Feel Compelled to Address me on what ”Appearantly” is Something of which I’ve taken Offense , from William Schooler .
@DrakeBailey Have William Schooler confirm receipt of my messages to Him and I will Gladly Delete all that he has read , After he Deletes His Posts to Me !
@ThePainefulTruth Thought you were replying to a list of posts on this site dealing with the out of options article…?
@ThePainefulTruth
Thank you thepainefultruth, we get to see who you really are, all I have to do is push your buttons and watch you storm the drain. You are a waste of time and effort, you bring nothing but remarks which accomplish nothing. You have no self respect and I get that and I am sure others have as well.
I suggest a HUGE mirror with you talking to you about how you really feel about you. I get you are unhappy with your life and want to bring us down to your pathetic level.
You are nothing but symbols without balls, no accomplishments, just words, no experiences, just words. Words are nothing, zero, nada. They have no force, no action, fail in all activity but still you attempt to persuade yourself something will fall out of the sky if you express enough of them. Go home to mommy and start over. First have a relationship with yourself until you can respect yourself. Really, you are embarrassing yourself, people will not respect idiocy and you have proven your point of that idea.
So please when you get done playing with yourself start addressing yourself and your lack of accomplishments. I know why people are unhappy with themselves, but you don’t because your unhappy. I get it, so thank you for nothing, nothing given, nothing done and no accomplishments at all. You should be proud but I am betting that is tough isn’t it?
See, I understand why someone like me gets under your skin, the painful truth hurts and you are unable to have what you call yourself and that to me is funny as all get-tow. Thanks for your outrageous display, I am sure I am not the only one amused by this much ignorance.
LMAO.
@DrakeBailey No , Absolutely Not . Just Tussling Verbally with William Schooler because of HIS Condescending / Abusive Rants of Others regarding thyeir posts and then Mine , which Chastened Him for HIS Abusive / Dismissive and Condescending comments to Others . I believe were on the Same Mission here as I Agree with your Post . Pleaswe go over my Posts to Understand My Position onthe Issue and My Disposition Toward others . My Only Beef is with William Schooler and if you read his various posts to others you will /should be able to Nasty even Ridiculing Disposition Toward some of the Others . Look , I think You’re the Type who Does’nt Take Crap from anybody and Neither Do I . All anyone has to Do is read My Posts to know what it is I Stand for . Oh ! I just realized , and it Fooled me on previous occassions also , that the posts often fall in the order of their completion and Not necessarily under the post One is responding to thus the Confusion when it lands under someone elses post causing them to think they are being responded to . I have to remind myself to check whos name is at the beginning of the post to know who it Came From .
@DrakeBailey
Thank you for the info Drake, I did watch the video and forwarded on. I had several good responses and one of the people I have been talking to on the Constitution said yes he has heard this as well. I do appreciate you putting this forward. Several of us are working many backgrounds so when this does take place we will be able to assist.
@WilliamSchooler You seem to Confuse “getting under my skin” and “pushing my Buttons” with My Overt Willingness to Handle the Likes of You . Don’t Sprain Your arm Congratulating yourself and Try to Spend More Time Looking at Your Hypocrisy ! Again , You Always address Everything with Nothing / Nonsense . You just Don’t “GET” that about yourself , Do You ? You keep Telling Your Little Mystery Story and Nothing more , But you Sure Do seem to Fancy YOURSELF , Don’t You ? You Can’t Rebut ONE Single Thing I’ve said about You ! Funny how THAT Does’nt Change ! Let’s See … We’ve got “Storming the Drain” and You Being Sooo Confident of What YOU know Others to Feel and Think , and We’ve got Mirrors , The Comparison of Accomplishments You Never Reveal of Yourself While You Claim ( Blindly ) others Don’t have , all the free (unsolicited ) Psychoanalysis to go with all the Priviledged Wisdom that Springs Forth from ALL your Orifices , Force of Words , Unknown Activities , Something falling out of the Sky , all the Freudian Slips Regarding “Playing with Oneself” , You “Knowing” whether someone is UnHappy with Themself , and How Your Rambling Chaotic Stumbling Jibberjabber is “Rough” on me ( You Finally Got One right ! , God ! , I hate Dealing with Stupid Fools ! ) , and Somewhere along the Line I’m Suppose to Dress In Drag In Front of a Mirror Just to “GET” You … UHhhh .. , No Thanks ! I’ll Just Leave You alone to Your Self Engorging Self – Conflatulating magnificent Self . Now , Go Sell Your Cookies Somewhere Else ! You BORE THE HELL OUT OF ME !… Did You Hear That ! ! What a Turd !
@ThePainefulTruth
I love how you display everything you are, thank you. You are what you eat aren’t you? LOL
@ThePainefulTruth
I truly love how ignorance displays itself so openly. Had you only looked in the mirror and expressed these things to yourself you would have made for more impact but you have assured me that you are unable to look at you and only at everyone else.
Again nothing for nothing is still nothing, so thanks for nothing. And please let us know when you are done playing with yourself.
Good luck with that mirror, LOL.
@WilliamSchooler Really now ! BE Honest ! ARE YOU From Nigeria ? Ghana ? cuz I’ve received quite a few Spam E-mails from people there who Spell … Write … and Express themselves A WHOLE LOT BETTER than YOU Do ! Go Back and Finish 5th grade so you can Move on with your Life ! ENOUGH ALREADY WITH YOUR MIRRORS … ALICE ! AND CLOSE YOUR DAMN COFFIN ALREADY … IT’S REALLY STARTING TO STINK !
@ThePainefulTruth
Poor baby, do you need some tissues for your issues. I get you are a lost young man but one day maybe, (big maybe) you will find yourself when you stop criticizing everyone else and start being critical of you. I see you got rid of most of your posts because you finally realized how well you look. At least your that intelligent, well maybe.
Nope, not harsh. Truth. The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
Buy more bullets.
As long as there’s a dollar menu, and Dancing with the Stars, nobody cares.
Unfortunately you’re right on the money…
our last hope without violence is ron paul.
The lemmings and the sheeple will ride the gravy train right over the cliff as long as the party line is still that they’re entitled to whatever they want and they don’t need to be responsible for themselves. Baaaaa! Baa baaa!
Unfortunately they’re taking the rest of us down with them.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
You are saying exactly what I am thinking!
It needs to be “abolished” yesterday.
Ron Paul 2012 The only one thats not a Wall Street insider.
It’s time to rattle the cages at the State Legislatures…. We, the People need resolution and it will only come from those who are willing to Say NO! If We the People can but get our State Legislatures to ACT, which is their SWORN DUTY, then there is HOPE for the Future of These United States of America..!
Shh! You made me lose count! I’m loading magazines…
WOW!!! I just finished reading the ” options ” article. I had no idea that nullification was such a powerful weapon to use against Federal encroachments.
I agree and I’m very concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren!
No, No & Yes!
I keep saying, Here comes civil war II. And this time is going to be a very big one.And we the people will win this one to. We the people are on Gods side,Just like last time.Good always wins over evil every time.
Psalms 7:11 God judges the righteous, and God is angry
with the wicked every day.
Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all
the nations that forget God
Though I agree with number 4 it is far from the whole picture since state Governments can be found to have the same issues our Federal G is doing, expanding themselves. Luckily the budget bust recently is causing a bit of a subtraction, though not impressed yet I have started the starve the bitch program at my house because of the out of control spending of our state Governor. It is truly out of hand but further than this I did my first ever seminar and a whopping two people showed up which is two more than I started with. But I have other duties prescribed for all of us to do because it is the basis for this country for our constitution and is the reason we are America at all. I am teaching the Declaration of Independence as I learned it, for different from how most have taught it. I am teaching it as a applicable document to be used in decision making for the constitution and the actions we do in our communities. To become of strength and take over city meetings and turn them into true public meetings. This is not the case today, today it is 5 minutes which is no way to state a case period.
For the record my two turned out to be very challenging because of all the old decisions but when I was done they were very happy they attended and they said we will work to bring more, The Declaration of Independence in our most important document next to the Constitution. When Liberty fails the warnings given become visual to experience. It is good to know this document as a tool of choice, for choice and the primary key to choice in America. The reasons I give are hard to argue and can be learned by anyone willing to learn.
Together with Nullification, together with the Reclamation Project x project to correct our Constitution and together the other life in this country that chooses this direction we shall prosper. Our enemy only prevails because they are true to their principals, they have many supporting them and most of us are going to have to give up some of their ideas to fully support ours. We have in our midst everything they have, the ability to create ideas and the will to decide. Force and momentum are persistent numbers in a direction, the more numbers the more persistence the more force is carries. We simply lack the basics and it us up to us to put these into our decision pot. Choice holds the key to all things and I will give you this lesson to discover what I mean for yourself.
I want you to look around the room you are in and find every item that is an idea, now I want you to ask yourself if all these items were then decided upon before they were brought into existence? If you get this, if you discover the truth will you realize the force you personally hold, now magnify this by thousands.
All good choices are in support of LIFE, a living entity able to create ideas and decide ideas to cause these things to take place. It is good to know yourself, my passion of me will be the passion I share with you and we can become a true force to be reckoned with in all honesty. The time is now, people are more ready than you know and it is time we educate ourselves without the old ideas of savages, those pesky financiers of ignorance.
So no we are not out of options unless we decide we are and then for sure we are, I refuse to decide that way because I know better and I know why and you should too. Read this document, find the original draft and read it, figure out what all these things are and use these for choice. If you think I am crazy you should, anyone willing to take on this crap has to be, so I join with the rest of you who are crazy, crazy about life that is.
From A Producing American
William Schooler, delivery possible.
@WilliamSchooler Unfotunately YOU are Soooo far Behind in the Discovery and Awareness Process and have such Weak and Unsound Reasoning and Communication Capabilities that the Best thing YOU can Do to Help the Struggle and Cause of Liberty in the Present Effort is “Contribute” to the sites that ARE Strong in Soundness of Reasoning and Depth of Knowledge of the Principles and Guiding Documents of Liberty . You don’t ADD any Clarity of Thought or Share any Insight of Importance nor Demonstrate enough WISDOM to Carry the Mantle of Credibility and Respectability . So WHY Muck up the Political Scene with Your Dull and Enervating Ideas and Thinking , which can ONLY Reduce the Ongoing Discourse to a Social Din of Collective Confusion based on Unwitting Opinion of Insignificant and Debased content . So Take Your Lame EGO and Stuff it in the nearest trash can , Put on your Big Boy Pants , Close your Mouth , Pay attention , Watch the Informed and Enlightened activists ALREADY Carrying the Torch you tell yourself that YOU are Carrying and then Maybe YOU will Get up to Speed in the WISDOM necessary to Deal in the Craft of Politics and Social Engineering .
@ThePainefulTruth
WOW!, here you are paying attention to me because I share nothing according to you but since you have so much proof to provide, please be my guest and present.
One; you present nothing to ague or discuss.
Two; its easy to get up on a pedestal and spout but what is it you present that shows otherwise? 0
Three; here you are putting me down for doing my homework like I show or do no actions to support this, are you clueless?
Four; since I do nothing to you, I either cause you to think or I don’t, and since you have not graduated to where I am at I totally understand your ignorance and understand this is only your own lack of ability to control yourself. Its ok, people show this behavior all the time.
The clincher; instead of focusing your energy on all the faults you can find about me, may I suggest a good quality mirror, you standing in front of it and being as critical about you as you are about me. See I did and the things I found were revolutionary but since I can tell you have not because of your focus on me and what I am doing. I suggest you dig into your own garbage, I worked on mine thank you and I am alright with me regardless of your poor ideas and opinions, which we are also your’s for sure.
Or you can attempt to come back here an embarrass yourself even more because I am very certain about where I am are you? But please value my intelligence and bring me an argument, really.
If you are certain you are so right about something you are intent to make me wrong bring it, maybe we will both learn something. But to react with nothing says a great deal about you and your my perfect candidate to practice on, so oblige me.
@WilliamSchooler
@WilliamSchooler
shouldn’t there be a
No Parking
No Stopping
No Standing
sign on the sign post as well
There is a 5th option that can be applied by individuals: Disobedience is the LAWFUL remedy to any arbitrary, unreasonable, or unjust law from our natural law tradition upon which this nation and constitution were founded.
John Locke asserted that any ruler “who exceeds his lawful power acts without authority and may be opposed as any other man who by force invades the rights of another.” Learn the art of disobedience; see: NaturalLawRemedy.com. Also see the YouTube “How to Disobey Unjust Laws” http://goo.gl/1bCzE.
How many people on this site shop regularly at Walmart or buy food off of typical grocery shelves produced from Big-Agriculture Factories processed from GMOs with chemicals and oil from Big Corps–and then wonder why they are sick so buy synthetic drugs pushed by Big Pharma? Every dollar is a vote. Until people stop patronizing giant corporations–corporations will continue to own the people–and the government. People need to stop depending on the very corporations that are killing them. I regained my health by buying food from local farmers and producers–and I spend far less money and enjoy life more. Yes, it does all come down to the choices of the people.
Nullification? Is it legal? Says who? My criminal justice professor and lawyer friend always reminds me of Article 6, section 2. Don’t get me wrong, I’m on your side of the divide. My question to him is why have the 9th and 10th amendments if the federal government can exercise absolute power? My guess is our founders wanted to confine the “… supreme law of the land” to those specified functions stated in the U.S. Constitution’s preamble, to PROVIDE for the common defense and PROMOTE the GENERAL welfare for the individual states. Wilson’s administration sure upheld that standard when adding the 17th amendment, NOT! State administrators lost their voice at the national level with its passage. Why duplicate the people’s national voice? They had their say with with state representatives. Anyway, that’s another topic.
@West Texan I’d like to add that there are too many states’ legislatures up to their eyeballs in the gubmit trough, too spineless to actually declare, much less enforce nullification. And within said states, the sheer numbers who also feed at the filthy trough of “free stuff” make nullification not likely to be enforced with any meaningful assertion
People have the gubmit they deserve. Simple as that, since our Republic was long ago morphed into a democracy aka mob rule.
Aaaand … thanks to all your Pointless Whining and Fatalism we can ALL just SEIZE UP and FALL OVER Like the Goats you seem to think we all are ! Really , is this the Best you have to offer a forum subject of this importance ? Why Don’t you just peddle your little bicycle on Home to Mommy so you can share with her your little Bed Wetting stories . Maybe SHE will Seize Up and Fall over too !
To West Texan , Nullification IS Absolutely Legal ! Anyone who says otherwise does’nt understand Our Constitution correctly nor do they Know Fundamental Law well enough to no that this “Concept” / Legal Act is a “Given” in any relationship ! Article 6 , sect. 2 reads ; This constitution , and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in “Pursuance” thereof ; … what is misunderstood is “What is in Pursuance thereof” . Pursuance thereof is the “Carrying out ” or “Putting into Effect” the Constitution ! That is to say , the Constitution along with It’s “Original Intent” and Only true Legally Correct Interpretation ! Any Changes not in pursuance thereof IS Unconstitutional ! We have had many changes to Our Constitution , Not done in Pursuance thereof , which is why We are in our Present Dire Straights , ie. , Political , Social , Economic mess . The Constitution has NOT been Followed according to it’s “Original” Intent Nor Laws made in Pursuance thereof ! All the changes have come by the Force / Persuasion of Money and it’s Corrupting influence . Just because legislation has the Appearance of Law does’nt mean it is . If it is Repugnant to the Constitution it is UnConstitutional , and therefore it is NOT Law and Never was even from it’s Inception ! “Repugnant” … when in reference to Logic , means :Contradictory , Inconsistent , to fight against . Anything : Law , Act , Code , Regulation , Statute etc. that is ”Repugnant” to the Constitution IS UnConstitutional ! We Must Learn Logic and Reasoning of the “Founders” to Know these Truths . Try the “Founder’s” package at GunLaws .com .
There are always options that are perfectly legal and not extreme by any means. If we the people want the country back from the evil forces in DC, we must implement the only plan guaranteed to work: war. The founder’s tried every approach available and failed. We are having the same affect here. This entity in DC believes it is rightfully in possession of all the power it needs, whenever it needs or wants it, to accomplish it’s goal. There is one problem; we stand in it’s way. No group of people anywhere are as heavily armed as US Citizens. We have the means to force the feds to obey as they should or die as they will. Do not worry about marital law or military response. Our actions are guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. NO MILITARY MEMBER CAN TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY AS THEY FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT! Most of the military despises what is happening in DC as much as we do. Remember, the military if all volunteer. They are citizens just as we are. In fact, they are more obligated to take action because of LOAC and the oaths taken by every member. LOAC, the Law Of Armed Conflict, dictates actions taken by a military member during wartime. One major are concerns unlawful orders. It is unlawful for any member of the fed to order the military to stop the US Citizenry from fulfilling Amendment 2 obligations. Said military members must either deny the unlawful order and arrest whomever gave the order or, if necessary, use deadly force to prevent the order from being carried out.
For those of you without military experience, the military member takes an oath to “defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and, to bare true allegeance to the same” meaning the obligation is not to the government! I took that oath over 30 years ago and lived it until I retired from the military 20 years later. I still live by that oath today.
To be legal, any effort to use force to remove the illegal government in DC must be to install a new constitutional government.
No entity may interfere with our actions as long as the Constitution and it’s survival is our aim.
@BrianKH
You are absolutely correct and I put no faith in military might is going to come take me out attempting to stand up for my country against the tyranny. We are a very well armed country and I am sure that does leave fear but there is advance weapons systems that don’t take much to operate I do worry about.
And we do have options because we always have, how did we ever become independent the very first time? What is it we did to create this? Its does not say go to war to accomplish this. Do these words ring any bells?
“When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station, to which the laws of nature and of nature’s god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
Do you think the acts of separating ourselves is entirely choice? How was anything in this country achieved, by war only or by choice only? Isn’t War a choice?
Isn’t this next section the part about who we are and what we stand for and what we do about it when it fails?
“We hold these truths to be self evident. that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with [certain] inherent and inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness: that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying it’s foundation on such principles, and organising it’s powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. but when a long train of abuses and usurpations begun at a distinguished period and pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to [alter] expunge their former systems of government. the history of the present king of Great Britain is a history of [repeated] unremitting injuries and usurpations among which appears no solitary fact to contradict the uniform tenor of the rest, but all have [all having] in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. to prove this let facts be submitted to a candid world, for the truth of which we pledge a faith yet unsullied by falsehood.”
Yet we wish to refuse this was written for a purpose, a use, a tool for decision?
What the hell was this country built on, Independence or the Constitution? Independence and the constitution was to secure liberty by limiting the bastards and when they refuse we take steps to remove or leave them by the waste side and start anew. Yes we have lost our way and our essentials but they are right here folks and so is the rest of it on line for all to read, study, understand and what to apply. The very fact we refuse it is whose ignorance Mr. intelligence theplaintruth?
Life is all the decision we will ever need because as life and living (the art of doing) we decide and put forth effort don’t we? Ever get a product out the door with doing?
Well independence does come flying through the sky, we have to decide we are going to and what it is we are going to do. Removal sounds good, but should this be too costly by all means lets start a new Government after all Life started this one didn’t we? oooooops was that to hard for the sensitive ones?
@BrianKH
You are absolutely correct and I put no faith in military might is going to come take me out attempting to stand up for my country against the tyranny. We are a very well armed country and I am sure that does leave fear but there is advance weapons systems that don’t take much to operate I do worry about.
And we do have options because we always have, how did we ever become independent the very first time? What is it we did to create this? It does not say go to war to accomplish this. Do these words ring any bells?
“When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station, to which the laws of nature and of nature’s god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
Do you think the acts of separating ourselves is entirely choice? How was anything in this country achieved, by war only or by choice only? Isn’t War a choice?
Isn’t this next section the part about who we are and what we stand for and what we do about it when it fails?
“We hold these truths to be self evident. that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with [certain] inherent and inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness: that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying it’s foundation on such principles, and organising it’s powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. but when a long train of abuses and usurpations begun at a distinguished period and pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to [alter] expunge their former systems of government. the history of the present king of Great Britain is a history of [repeated] unremitting injuries and usurpations among which appears no solitary fact to contradict the uniform tenor of the rest, but all have [all having] in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. to prove this let facts be submitted to a candid world, for the truth of which we pledge a faith yet unsullied by falsehood.”
Yet we wish to refuse this was written for a purpose, a use, a tool for decision?
What the hell was this country built on, Independence or the Constitution? Independence and the constitution was to secure liberty by limiting the bastards and when they refuse we take steps to remove or leave them by the waste side and start anew. Yes we have lost our way and our essentials but they are right here folks and so is the rest of it on line for all to read, study, understand and what to apply. The very fact we refuse it is whose ignorance Mr. intelligence theplaintruth?
Life is all the decision we will ever need because as life and living (the art of doing) we decide and put forth effort don’t we? Ever get a product out the door without doing?
Well independence doesn’t come flying through the sky, we have to decide we are going to and what it is we are going to do? Removal sounds good, but should this be too costly by all means lets start a new Government after all Life started this one didn’t we? oooooops was that to hard for the sensitive ones?
@WilliamSchooler You are absolutely correct. We must remember though that the Declaration and the Constitution serve two distinct purposes. The Declaration was our list of greivances against the ruling force, the actions we took to attempt to rectify same, our understanding of God’s idea of free men, and, as the title states a Declaration of Freedom from our Oppessor’s grip.
The Constitution is the law under which all power is divided giving the States and the Citizens the real power to force the Federal Government to obey the laws and rules imposed upon it be the Constitution. The Feds have tried for generations to move outside the bounds of the Constitution but were always kept in check by the Supreme Court (its primary function). It was FDR, who managed to rig the court with like minded fellow travelers, who began overstepping the law with his New Deal thus beginning the illegal government in existence today. There were other events before FDR’s big grab such as Lincoln’s war against the south and the 1914 creation of the Federal Reserve Bank that many claim as the first of the Republic’s death. The Federal Reserve Bank creation is difficult to down play considering it was directly responsible for the Great Depression and is responsible for many of the financial troubles the nation faced last century but FDR’s desire to make government bigger and more powerful, in my opinion, set the stage for the unholy freak show in DC today. Both parties are guilty but the Democrats have the most Constitutional blood on their hands. Their alliance with all things un-American is why America is facing extinction. They continue to hold on to outdated beliefs such as communism and Darwinism. These two belief systems are responsible for the murder of more people than all religious wars combined. This party “hates” the Constitution because it limits the actions the feds can take. They desire to set the Constitution aside as an interesting but wrong minded piece of history while they install their own rules. The democrat party is composed of traitors, fascists, bigots, perverts, murderers, and just about every other evil group. It must not be allowed to survive. While we are at it we must “clean up” the Washington republicrats as well.
So, the question is do we declare war using the original Declaration as justification or do we build one based on disobediance to the Constitution? Since we are Americans intending to replace an illegal government with one that understands its position relative to the law of the land, I propose we march on DC with the Constitution before us instead of issuing a formal declaration.
What is key is to remember is that “We the People, in order to form a more perfect union” are stepping out from under an illegal alliance of murdering hate groups and taking back what is rightfully ours.
@BrianKH
Brian, I look at the constitution as a set of rules for those who took an oath to follow and when they don’t it is the responsibility of the people to step up and correct the wrongs either through replacement or by the courts. Since the courts are corrupt this becomes a much rougher road to hoe.
Yes the constitution has been altered but one of the things I found is those altering do not use the Declaration of Independence as the deciding factor which is the law of the land. There is no point to any activity if it is not to promote the sustainment of LIFE itself. Since God is not the only idea generating life form it would be good to recognize ourselves and our own abilities because we were given them in Gods image were we not?
Yes there are only two groups those supporting the Rule way of Life and those who are supporting the Republic way of life and one has activity of supporting life and the activities and the other is supporting the control and limiting of life and all of these activities have evidence supporting the actions taken. These results can be viewed and are not some opinion but an actual visual or experience which can be evaluated. The fact we do not evaluate in this country because we are set on opinions as having any authority what so ever is flat out nonsense. Results are viewable, please let us get over it.
Since I personally do not promote war because this act does not support life and is the activity of destroying it I look for other avenues unless confronted by force shall I defend myself against the savages. The Declaration of Independence declares I am independent of such barbaric masses and if I get this I live individually knowing I am unique by my ideas and my choices. A new Government can be formed if the old Government becomes too violent. To say we are unable to do this is simply to say our founders were not capable of such a undertaking which they were by results. Meaning we are also as capable should we DECIDE we will deliver such an idea.
There is a group working on the corrections to the Constitution now to put back in what was removed and timing is everything. Also decisions are everything and the force to be reckoned with is the numbers behind a decision of implementation. So many are convinced this can only be done by guns. But look at this for a moment; show me anything man has done good or bad, was any of it done without choice? Be honest and really look at this. So with this discovery how were all things achieved, by guns or by choice?
We the People is simply an idea that says those who choose the Republic way of life have decided upon a new Government to replace a rogue Government because we are entitled to as LIfe, as decision makers when we see the results support the Rule way of life. It is a standing in honesty to ourselves knowing what we support is the correct activity because history has already provided up with enough lessons and results to verify a Republic way of life is the most civilized and respectful to all life in its grasp. This simply becomes knowledge of ourselves, our histories and our understanding of our Documents so well written to support this very idea I speak of.
Civil war is simply a mincing of words, to protect yourselves against those attacking you is not civil in any form its called survival. To stand up for life is the act itself and not to stand against another for some idea they have. I am here on this planet because I want to be not because I do not. This being by choice serves as the cause I shall be here and some other saying I will control you on earth is completely made up nonsense, yet it is acted on consistently. Why?
Very old ideas of Rule, Power and manipulation by secrecy. These are also known as the tricks of the trade yet the so called EDUCATED in this country cannot see it, I would question educated myself ( Oh wait I did) and my discoveries 10 times what educated have found. Interestingly this is because I decided to use things I was already successful at. Like the ability to produce products for another all day long in hopes of a better experience in their lives, thus driving up demand for my services. When I asked myself; How was I achieving this everyday was I blown away that it was my ideas and my decisions. Then when I looked around at all the other ideas being generated and put to the test did I figure out that is all everyone else is doing. What is funny is when I tell educated people this they fight me the hardest and that is the exact reason I question education all the time. Common sense is simply what I can observe and discover to be the most common amongst practices, so what the hell is everyone else looking at?
I hear, in my opinion, or I hear interpretations like no one can experience ideas and evaluate for themselves. That they have to MAKE up ideas about everything which is false.
I can observe, experience, evaluate this and determine from these ideas passed down if they truly support me or not and these results bare truth. These no longer are assumed but becomes the knowns of the universe. Truths do not lie because they carry with them verifiable experiences. Unless of course you are a college graduate who thinks you know everything without experiencing them, then for sure it is assumed, interpreted and becomes some stupid opinion.
Not all of this is intended for you because there are others lurking out there pretending. So I thought I would expose a few facts they refuse to look at because I personally reviewed the results and experiences myself unlike them who assume everything their whole entire lives.
My apologies if my spelling sucks as I do not profess to be a writer even though I write a lot. My own discovery of language has shown me it is not as perfect as some claim it is. It is impossible to master the totally unmastered and alterations make it impossible, the pure size makes it impossible and for this reality I suggest a Library and several unabridged dictionaries to counter all claims. These are huge and monolithic and impossible to entirely duplicate. Anyone claiming this is lying to themselves or they have never looked at these dictionaries and are clueless.
@WilliamSchooler @BrianKH
WilliamSchooler. BrianKH. Very interesting conversation, Brian and William. We have a several thousand years old tradition of natural law which is the basis upon which this nation and constitution were founded, which secures our unalienable rights, and what makes them unalienable is that they are God-given, and based upon mans inherent nature. The Declaration of Independence states several of these natural rights: “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,” but there are many more.
Natural law is just the law of cause and effect, and includes all the laws of nature underlying the arts and science, such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, psychology, sociology, but in the current context natural law encompasses those laws underlying man’s inherent nature and social behavior.
Man made bodies of law such as common law, administrative law, and equity, must conform to natural law, and why must they conform? For the same reason you don’t pour water into your gas tank, or drive nails with a screw driver. It create problems. You could even say that a gas engine has a right to gasoline, and a nail a right to a hammer. Man has a right to laws in accord with his God-given nature. The nature of the right determines the governing law, and laws contrary to nature are void to the extent of the violation.
If natural law is the foundation of our legal system, where is it, we must be able to see it? Indeed we can. Our law was based upon the presumption of liberty. This required that:
1) The law was based upon necessity. It could go no further than necessary to remedy the perceived harm.
2) The law must be tailored for minimal intrusion on individual liberties.
3) Where possible, the law must harmonize diverse interests.
With these principles, the result was: absent harm, there could be no legislation, and the rights of individuals and society were protected. This made us a free country. This is demonstrated in the following (and other) court opinions:
“No trade can be subjected to police regulation of any kind unless its prosecution involves some harm or injury to the public or third persons, and in any case the regulation cannot extend beyond the evil which is to be restrained.” [Marymont v. Banking Board, 33 Nev. 333]”
“The constitutional right to use property without regulation is plain, unless the public welfare requires its regulation. If the public welfare does require it, the right must yield to the public exigency. And it is upon this question of necessity [that its reasonableness] depends. All, then, seems to be embraced in the question of necessity.” [People v. Smith, 66 N.W. 382, 383 (1896)].
“Freedom is the general rule, and restraint the exception. The legislative authority to abridge can be justified only by exceptional circumstances.” [Wolff Co. v. Industrial Court, 262 U.S. 522 (1922).]
And, this opinion is especially important:
“Our constitutions are founded upon individualism, and they make prominent the theory that to the individual should be granted all the rights consistent with public safety; and our development is chiefly attributable to the firm establishment and maintenance of those rights by an authorized resort to the courts for their protection against all hostile legislation which is not required by considerations of the public health or safety. In the absence of such considerations those rights are alike immutable; in their presence they must alike yield.” [State v. Gravett, 62 NE 325, 326 (1901).]
This court just said we maintain our rights by resort to the courts. We lost our liberties because we lost our resort to the courts.
Three breaches took place around the 1930s:
First,the presumption of liberty was replaced with the presumption of constitutionality in the case of O’Gorman v. Hartford 282 U.S. 251 (1931); henceforth, most laws would be beyond review by the courts. The Court said: “The presumption of constitutionality must prevail in the absence of some factual foundation … for overthrowing the statute.”
Second, the power of General Welfare was given by the Supreme Court to government in the case of U.S. v. Butler 297 U.S. 1 (1936), which allowed Congress to tax and spend for any desired project, and though regulation under a taxing clause is forbidden, since all laws are presumed constitutional, this power can and is being used to regulate.
Third, while originally the power to regulate interstate commerce was limited, it was expanded to include everything that affected interstate commerce in Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), to the point that today, when asked, the Justices of the Supreme Court could not state a single power reserved to the states.
One solution I promote is the resort to disobedience under natural law. Disobedience is recommended by many scholars over many centuries. For example, John Calvin, in 1536, asserted that men can and must disobey government when they deviate from God’s laws. Such laws are no laws at all.
I have written a book on the art of disobedience – “The Lawful Remedy to Tyranny,” http://www.naturallawremedy.com.
@rew4455@BrianKH
rew4455,
You are the exemplification of symbolism in our world because you assume these words are pure and honest. Since by observation we can experience first hand nothing about these laws are for public safety. I know this first hand and got involved in this because of laws that had nothing to do with my safety what so every and wanted to control what I can and cannot do.
Next I went to school, made crappy choices, did what I was told, failed miserably and started asking myself questions. Luckily there are a lot of other resources besides the ones you visited. What I found was total devastation to my own thinking. Money was one of those supposed brilliant ideas. Mathematics another perverted idea grown to unrealistic proportions, just look at the debt level and be REAL.
Common law is law that supports LIFE only, not some Human condition or psycho babble and my God given nature is simple, naturally I am able to generate ideas and decisions upon my own accord without your permission to do so thus my own authority period.
Rule, Wealth, Law, Taxes and Secrecy have been ideas passed on for some 6000 years, you better go back and review history. Further more the choices that revolve around these poor ideas totally permeate all that education you received.
The power of the General welfare was not given to the Supreme court by me, it was given by people with poor ideas and worse decisions. They are not the supreme power over me, I am by God, not by you or any other thinking authority. My own choices shows I have full authority so keep making up all this other stuff or worse yet keep going into agreement with poor ideas presented before you.
I would love to hear todays definition of Scholar, well read, well educated by educators, well symbolized as all words are gospel no matter how badly language has been altered over time. And for the most part the worst decision makers of our time.
Here is the evidence; Obama, Clinton, Bush, and most presidents, our congressmen and women, our senators, the CIA, the Heads of the pentagon and here are the results that bare witness to the fruits of their entire stupidity. The largest Debt ever known to mankind where the whole total is not even shared, low productivity killing the sustainment of communities, WAR which is the destruction of the very LIFE you love living. These are not great achievements and this does not include the corruption to the constitution and the Declaration of Independence upon ratification.
In closer inspection we are not even in control of our own country anymore only you think we are, there is a lot of evidence out there showing we are not and Obama our biggest display of criminality in your face.
Now I am only going on what I can visually verify and not all the thinking I can cast inside my head. This is what I am observing and because of this so called knowledge on law you cannot?
I see no point in the TAC taking steps to nullify with what you say as the case at all because we lost before we started. It is an act that opposes made up illegal laws put here by illegal judges who in no manner uphold their oaths to a document created to limit and guide them period.
So you may be able to tell I highly disagree with you based on experiences and not symbols. That is so individual isn’t it, so independent isn it not? How dare I be able to create my own authority over me because some Judge imposes otherwise. They are as well educated as you I bet.
Wisdom is growth by experiences, the more we have the more we grow and learn to make better ideas from and far better choices about. Assumption is the lack of such experiences while dreaming up or concluding with no personal experiences to back it up. Which ones are yours? Don’t quote symbols, quote the experiences you are going through that provide livable results to verify for us experienced birds of wisdom. Now what is education?
Our basis is simply Liberty, our constitution their set of rules to have Liberty, freedom from their intrusiveness and our pursuits to be happy simply our achievement to sustain ourselves in life as life which is connected with all other life and when this is not the case, when it is made to be complex and not this clear does in become obvious others are making it up in their own minds and the evidence is this real; Are you able to live your ideas and dreams without obstructions? NO, Are you able to Live without war and destruction in your world? NO, Are you able to have an election in this country without special interests influences? NO, are most communities around you sustaining or are most becoming indebted by poor choices? YES.
Where the Hell is this Liberty you say we have all this support for living? Show me the Republic we are supposed to be living where people can freely challenge any other?
Nowhere to be found because WE let is go by all our big education given to us by those who have an entirely different agenda, to Rule You. Something most don’t want to know and don’t want to look at. The truth was never easy or kind, it is only visual and hard to discount because it stands before us, our denial ours for our unwillingness to challenge it.
My Declaration Of independence is my patriotism for life itself and the preservation of such life and all other activities going against this missed the ship of this connection and the choices show this to be the case.
@rew4455@BrianKH
rew4455,
You are the exemplification of symbolism in our world because you assume these words are pure and honest. Since by observation we can experience first hand nothing about these laws are for public safety. I know this first hand and got involved in this because of laws that had nothing to do with my safety what so every and wanted to control what I can and cannot do.
Next I went to school, made crappy choices, did what I was told, failed miserably and started asking myself questions. Luckily there are a lot of other resources besides the ones you visited. What I found was total devastation to my own thinking. Money was one of those supposed brilliant ideas. Mathematics another perverted idea grown to unrealistic proportions, just look at the debt level and be REAL.
Common law is law that supports LIFE only, not some Human condition or psycho babble and my God given nature is simple, naturally I am able to generate ideas and decisions upon my own accord without your permission to do so thus my own authority period.
Rule, Wealth, Law, Taxes and Secrecy have been ideas passed on for some 6000 years, you better go back and review history. Further more the choices that revolve around these poor ideas totally permeate all that education you received.
The power of the General welfare was not given to the Supreme court by me, it was given by people with poor ideas and worse decisions. They are not the supreme power over me, I am by God, not by you or any other thinking authority. My own choices shows I have full authority so keep making up all this other stuff or worse yet keep going into agreement with poor ideas presented before you.
I would love to hear todays definition of Scholar, well read, well educated by educators, well symbolized as all words are gospel no matter how badly language has been altered over time. And for the most part the worst decision makers of our time.
Here is the evidence; Obama, Clinton, Bush, and most presidents, our congressmen and women, our senators, the CIA, the Heads of the pentagon and here are the results that bare witness to the fruits of their entire stupidity. The largest Debt ever known to mankind where the whole total is not even shared, low productivity killing the sustainment of communities, WAR which is the destruction of the very LIFE you love living. These are not great achievements and this does not include the corruption to the constitution and the Declaration of Independence upon ratification.
In closer inspection we are not even in control of our own country anymore only you think we are, there is a lot of evidence out there showing we are not and Obama our biggest display of criminality in your face.
Now I am only going on what I can visually verify and not all the thinking I can cast inside my head. This is what I am observing and because of this so called knowledge on law you cannot?
I see no point in the TAC taking steps to nullify with what you say as the case at all because we lost before we started. It is an act that opposes made up illegal laws put here by illegal judges who in no manner uphold their oaths to a document created to limit and guide them period.
So you may be able to tell I highly disagree with you based on experiences and not symbols. That is so individual isn’t it, so independent isn it not? How dare I be able to create my own authority over me because some Judge imposes otherwise. They are as well educated as you I bet.
Wisdom is growth by experiences, the more we have the more we grow and learn to make better ideas from and far better choices about. Assumption is the lack of such experiences while dreaming up or concluding with no personal experiences to back it up. Which ones are yours? Don’t quote symbols, quote the experiences you are going through that provide livable results to verify for us experienced birds of wisdom. Now what is education?
Our basis is simply Liberty, our constitution their set of rules to have Liberty, freedom from their intrusiveness and our pursuits to be happy simply our achievement to sustain ourselves in life as life which is connected with all other life and when this is not the case, when it is made to be complex and not this clear does it become obvious others are making it up in their own minds and the evidence is this real; Are you able to live your ideas and dreams without obstructions? NO, Are you able to Live without war and destruction in your world? NO, Are you able to have an election in this country without special interests influences? NO, are most communities around you sustaining or are most becoming indebted by poor choices? Indebted.
Where the Hell is this Liberty you say we have all this support for living? Show me the Republic we are supposed to be living where people can freely challenge any other?
Nowhere to be found because WE let is go by all our big education given to us by those who have an entirely different agenda, to Rule You. Something most don’t want to know and don’t want to look at. The truth was never easy or kind, it is only visual and hard to discount because it stands before us, our denial ours for our unwillingness to challenge it.
My Declaration Of independence is my patriotism for life itself and the preservation of such life and all other activities going against this missed the ship of this connection and the choices show this to be the case.
@BrianKH @WilliamSchooler You had me up until you placed all the blame on the Democrats. When will people get realistic about the fact that both parties have long ago sold out our country to corporate interests? Follow the money. It’s as unholy and ugly on one side of the aisle as the other with the stench of fascism.
@BrianKH @WilliamSchooler
You had me up until you placed all the blame on the Democrats. When will people get realistic about the fact that both parties have long ago sold out our country to corporate interests? Follow the money. It’s as unholy and ugly on one side of the aisle as the other with the stench of fascism.
Well Put , Brian . We ( You And I ) share Identical understanding and Interpretation of Our Moral , Ethical , Constitutional obligations ! Most people Don’t seem to Grasp the Concept of State / Inividal Sovereignty and the ” Concurrent if not , Latent” Power of Right that is ALWAYS there to Draw on ( Nor have the fortitude of Character to make ready use of it ) . That Combined with the “Analogy” of “Strength in Numbers” , We Do Have Superior Capacity and Fortitude to Overcome , even Route , our Enemies/ Oppressors ! I agree that “Talk” with an unmotivated opponent goes Only so far , then comes the Time to “Motivate” them into their Proper place with sufficient Force to make them wish they Never Even Started in Opposition ! I say , ”Enough talk Already !” , Time is Long overdue ( 20-50 yrs certainly if not More ) for our Gov’t ( All Levels ) to be Cleaned up and Overhauled with the Ideals of Our Freedom and Liberty Documents , long since forgotten ! With ”Oathkeepers” working to Comfirm the Military / Law Enforcement personnel and the “10th Amm Center” working to Motivate / Activate the States to take their Rightful / Constitutional Place and … For God’s Sake …. ACT ! And Since We , the People , Are the Sovereigns in Charge Ultimately , we Must Not Let up when we face Reluctance / Indifference / Resistance / Opposition from the very “Entities’ which are given “Place” to Exist AND ”Serve” Us ! Hence the Point I believe you make , We Must take up Arms !
Well Put , Brian . We ( You And I ) share Identical understanding and Interpretation of Our Moral , Ethical , Constitutional obligations ! Most people Don’t seem to Grasp the Concept of State / Individual Sovereignty and the Concurrent , if not ”Latent”, Power of Right that is ALWAYS there to Draw on ( Nor do they have the fortitude of Character to make ready use of it ) . Combined with the “Analogy” of “Strength in Numbers” , We Do Have Superior Capacity and Fortitude to Overcome , even Route , our Enemies/ Oppressors ! I agree that “Talk” with an unmotivated opponent goes Only so far , then comes the Time to “Motivate” them into their Proper place with sufficient Force to make them wish they Never Even Started in Opposition ! I say , ”Enough talk Already !” , Time is Long overdue ( 20-50 yrs certainly if not More ) for our Gov’t ( All Levels ) to be Cleaned up and Overhauled with the Ideals of Our Freedom and Liberty Documents , long since forgotten ! With ”Oathkeepers” working to Comfirm the Military / Law Enforcement personnel and the “10th Amm Center” working to Motivate / Activate the States to take their Rightful / Constitutional Place and … For God’s Sake …. ACT ! And Since We , the People , Are the Sovereigns in Charge Ultimately , we Must Not Let up when we face Reluctance / Indifference / Resistance / Opposition from the very “Entities’ which are given “Place” to Exist AND ”Serve” Us ! Hence the Point I believe you make , We Must take up Arms !
@ThePainefulTruth
Wow, my way or the highway right? thank goodness most of us are armed and many us well trained. But running around Reciting really does not do much. And what is this interpretation crap, what you don’t actually know what liberty is? Some really do have to work at duplicating that concept and the rest keep interpreting because thats what they were taught, good boy.
I am betting you are the most moral, ethical, constitutionally interpreted individual there is, aren’t you? In fact who could possibly compare with these big words. And you are right most people don’t get the Constitution because their too busy with their interpretations of it rather than the use and understanding of it. Who could possibly know as mush as you?
Its all about war for you isn’t it because you made up your mind and so the rest of us that don’t run out ready to swap lead at the mention of a gun are not on the same playing field correct? Talk is cheep and for the record the Oath keepers, the TAC and many other organizations are all working intently on other actions besides war. Yes we will all have to do more but so many forgot why we are even here to begin with. They forget why we decide to have an America to begin with and then run around pretending they are all that.
We are only as sovereign as we are independent period and individual to know great choices from poor choices in a direct that grows and sustains life and not the slaughter of it. See I am willing to die for what I stand for and my chances of taking all these others out before I die are probably not that great and that is all I have to do is be honest with me and stop acting like I am in control of the world because I have a rifle in my hand. I am in control of me because I have the right resources for great ideas and choice making skills.
I personally work to bring others up to my skill level so that I will have skilled to help us sustain if war does not break out. But since there are so many like you totally intent, totally decided our chances of that are slim.
So get real because you are not at all. Talking to people like you are all that hiding behind some screen at a desk in some little room is hardly called accomplishments. Show me you are working towards a real Republic and then I will get you have duplicated the tools and stop all the pretending with your interpretations.
I am sure I am not the only one not impressed at all. In fact I look for people that wish to support liberty and Republic not by war rhetoric but by actions. Not by getting on forums attempting to put others down so you can feel good about yourself. It takes far more balls than a bunch of words on a screen. And if you don’t care for the mutual respect find a mirror and grow some because your not that cool at all.
I would like to know if ANYONE Comprehends ALL THE JIBERISH that Sputters out of your Cake hole when you talk . Did you even come close to graduating High School ? Jr. High ? Are you a Foreigner who writes and speaks the English Language as a second Language ? You write and spell worse than … everybody I know . I really have a hard time reading / interpreting what you post , it’s so cryptic and incoherent I can barely make heads or tails of what it is you’re trying to say . Your reasoning lacks sense and your thoughts run astray far too often to be sure or clear on what it is you want others to understand you to mean . You contradict yourself sooo many times I don’t even need to comment because readers can easily tell how distorted everything you express is . Talk about being in your OWN world , come on out Dude WWII has Long since Been over ! It’s Not my way or the highway , it’s Correct or Not correct . It’s about the Right resources to understand Our American Heritage , our Founding Documents and Our gov’t system . It’s not about War with me , it’s about the inevitable because of all the lame ass stupid people who talk the talk but never walk the walk ! Tell me Numbnuts , what is Life ,Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness if Not an Interpretation ! Everything is an interpretation ! Good Grief ! It’s All just a matter of of agreeing on what IS the Interpretation to accept as a Society , Right ? How stupid are YOU to suggest addressing the interpretation of Subjects is not sensible ? Did you misunderstand the part where I clearly expressed the need to support “Oathkeepers” and TAC ? Are YOU so simpleminded that you have emotional issues with “BIG” words ,as you put it ? Where is the Proof that you know what you are talking about ? What Liberty do you speak of that is different than what I talk of ? What is this special Use or Understanding of the Constitution that You refer to ? Where do you get the notion I am about War? What IS your experience YOU speak of that is all that Credible ? I am for Individual Sovereignty ( I hope those words were’nt too big for you ) which , I have to make a guess here , is what I think you refer to when YOU talk of liberty . If You have a Problem with the idea of Morals , Ethics , Decency and the Correct Interpretation of Rules / Laws , then You are Uncivilized . I get the Part where you Contest the improper Authority over our lives , and how we’re Conditioned / Pursuaded into thinking we have to be at War or Use War as a Means to an End . The fact is , those that are pursuaded to believe this end up being the ones to fight against . What do YOU mean when you talk of your chances of taking all these others out before you die ? Are you referring to your training and being well armed ? Why do you take exception to discourse , which is an effort to enlighten ourselves and used as a means to solve problems ? What’s wrong with “BIG” words especially if they are more precise in meaning and concise thus allowing for brevity of expression ? What is it you think one should do to experince the understanding of Liberty as you understand it ? I see you’re spending considerable time “Reciting “, and “Interpreting” the comments of others ! No one holds that against you , it’s just the lack of clarity that creates confusion and Misinterpretation . I take it you’re a Pacifist , Great ! we all should be … up to a point of intolerable Abuse and Usurpation which I believe you have not Sensed and/or Understood to be the Case at this Point in Time ,and in the World . Maybe I’m wrong , or you are wrong , that’s the point of discussion on these forums . I don’t know if I have experienced the Liberty you talk of , or the Use and Understanding of the Constitution You talk of . What I do Know is I think and I communicate because I know / Believe My Understanding and Interpretation of this Country’s Founding Documents and the Freedom and Liberty Documents referenced by their Application / Employment in the Founding Documents is Probably Better than Most of others . Certainly I can say this is true based on what I have Experienced to date in my endeavours to Own Up to the Subject . Now , Let’s get back to the Subject of our present Political / Economic / Social and Constitutional Dilema , OK ?
I beg to differ that the fed gubmit is broken in terms of functionality or financially (Federal Reserve for one=printing money from thin air, etc., ad nauseum ). Please hear me out before ostricising: gubmits at ALL “levels” are merely puppets, marionettes of the Powers That Be (TPTB). This does in fact include most county and many municipal/local governments (Communities for Sustainable Development?). Many of the various states’ governors, past and present, of the various states are or were members of such organizations such as the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, etc., or closely affiliated with those organizations (TPTB). Perry (TX nafta, cafta, spp, etc)) and Vilsak (IA now secretary of Ag) as examples, although there are many more. While there are a handful who have rejected the UN thangy, they are a definite minority and in no position to provide any serious resistance.
The ruling organizations are for the most part performing exactly as they were intended. Therefore, the notion of nullification while sounding lofty and moral as compared to outright armed revolt, is a fantasy.
To suggest that there is enough power in any given sense of the term to enforce a nullification – even though a few states have supposedly done so – is ludicrous. TPTB have all the money they need, in excess, and they also have control of the ever increasing manpower to crush any resistance. Sad fact, but it’s the truth. Damn sure wish I could profess differently! Yeh, wishful. To validate the latter; why have Americans been allowed to stockpile weapons and ammo when virtually everything else is illegal or so heavily regulated? I submit that it’s because TPTB already have the equipment and/or forces in place that makes conventional weaponry so obsolete as to be laughable. I am former military with some expertise and therefore have some idea concerning this. How else do you suppose that they are brazen, confident enough to allow the recent flurry of the most draconian EOs? Think about it for a while……
What is happening now, not just in America the formerly beautiful, but around the world, is no coincidence. Part and parcel, it was planned many years ago; as in hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago by a certain cabal of “elites” whose bloodlines continue to rule to this day. Don’t laugh! They have an incredible amount of knowledge of YOU (and me), but how much do you know about THEM? They have invested heavily and are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING, an all inclusive EVERYTHING, no matter the expense, to attain their goal. I reckon that time may be a factor to them, though, given the rate at which TPTB are expanding their coercive grip on humanity. Are YOU willing to do the same? More to consider….
I strongly recommend searching and reading something called “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”. It is basically the detailed playbook of those whose sole purpose on this planet is to rule the world. Each and every element of this playbook is happening now, as I write this comment. (TPTB?) The “who, how and why” will become clear after reading this. Such entities as the UN’s Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius, S.A.L.T., Communities for Sustainable Development and virtually ALL presidential EOs will become much more clarified. Do not tarry as many/most of this is being censored/deleted from many different venues. It must hit pretty close to home? Don’t attack me the messenger with racism/anti-semitism because I am guilty of neither.
I also highly recommend reading a book by Jim Marrs (leave his ufo stuff aside) because it’s true; well and accurately researched and sourced. The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy is available in book form and there are several lectures that can be viewed on youtube. The videos are lengthy, so make some popcorn beforehand, sit down and watch. Well worth the time! Jim’s presentations are fun and pleasant to listen to.
What is truly amazing is that many of the aforementioned groups/entities make no secret of their agendas. They post it on their own websites in easily discernable language, but no one seems to notice or care. I reckon that the fluoride and little blue pills must be working in concert with tv subliminals and other forms of bread and circus. As planned?
In closing I sez Be Well, Learn as much as you can and don’t ever, never quit.
End of rant,
The Pessimist
I beg to differ that the fed gubmit is broken in terms of functionality or financially (Federal Reserve for one=printing money from thin air, etc., ad nauseum ). Please hear me out before ostricising: gubmits at ALL “levels” are merely puppets, marionettes of the Powers That Be (TPTB). This does in fact include most county and many municipal/local governments (Communities for Sustainable Development?). Many of the various states’ governors, past and present, of the various states are or were members of such organizations such as the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, etc., or closely affiliated with those organizations (TPTB). Perry (TX nafta, cafta, spp, etc)) and Vilsak (IA now secretary of Ag) as examples, although there are many more. While there are a handful who have rejected the UN thangy, they are a definite minority and in no position to provide any serious resistance.
The ruling organizations are for the most part performing exactly as they were intended. Therefore, the notion of nullification while sounding lofty and moral as compared to outright armed revolt, is a fantasy.
To suggest that there is enough power in any given sense of the term to enforce a nullification – even though a few states have supposedly done so – is ludicrous. TPTB have all the money they need, in excess, and they also have control of the ever increasing manpower to crush any resistance. Sad fact, but it’s the truth. Damn sure wish I could profess differently! Yeh, wishful. To validate the latter; why have Americans been allowed to stockpile weapons and ammo when virtually everything else is illegal or so heavily regulated? I submit that it’s because TPTB already have the equipment and/or forces in place that makes conventional weaponry so obsolete as to be laughable. I am former military with some expertise and therefore have some idea concerning this. How else do you suppose that they are brazen, confident enough to allow the recent flurry of the most draconian EOs? Think about it for a while……
What is happening now, not just in America the formerly beautiful, but around the world, is no coincidence. Part and parcel, it was planned many years ago; as in hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago by a certain cabal of “elites” whose bloodlines continue to rule to this day. Don’t laugh! They have an incredible amount of knowledge of YOU (and me), but how much do you know about THEM? They have invested heavily and are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING, an all inclusive EVERYTHING, no matter the expense, to attain their goal. I reckon that time may be a factor to them, though, given the rate at which TPTB are expanding their coercive grip on humanity. Are YOU willing to do the same? More to consider….
I strongly recommend searching and reading something called “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”. It is basically the detailed playbook of those whose sole purpose on this planet is to rule the world. Each and every element of this playbook is happening now, as I write this comment. (TPTB?) The “who, how and why” will become clear after reading this. Such entities as the UN’s Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius, S.A.L.T., Communities for Sustainable Development and virtually ALL presidential EOs will become much more clarified. Do not tarry as many/most of this is being censored/deleted from many different venues. It must hit pretty close to home? Don’t attack me the messenger with racism/anti-semitism because I am guilty of neither.
I also highly recommend reading a book by Jim Marrs (leave his ufo stuff aside) because it’s true; well and accurately researched and sourced. The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy is available in book form and there are several lectures that can be viewed on youtube. The videos are lengthy, so make some popcorn beforehand, sit down and watch. Well worth the time! Jim’s presentations are fun and pleasant to listen to.
What is truly amazing is that many of the aforementioned groups/entities make no secret of their agendas. They post it on their own websites in easily discernable language, but no one seems to notice or care. I reckon that the fluoride and little blue pills must be working in concert with tv subliminals and other forms of bread and circus. As planned?
In closing I sez Be Well, Learn as much as you can and don’t ever, never quit.
End of rant,
The Pessimist
@the pessimist Sooo .. What is Your Plan ? Is it to just bend over to kiss your arse goodbye ? Is it to Kiss the hand that Feeds you and bear the chains of oppression with a smile … what ? Stop Whining ! No Whining … there is no Whining allowed because you’re mine now ! Mine ! You’re Nothing ! Nobody ! Compared to Me You are like a little schoolgirl to me now , you here me ? A little schoolgirl ! Stop eating her Cooookie ! Stop it ! Listen to Me , there is No bathroom . You here me No bathroom , anymore ! OMG ! The Little ones are bullying me all day . They’re Beating me up Constantly ! I , I don’t know what to do , I’m at my wits end . I’m finished ! There ! … Does that sound Better to You ? Pull your head out , and Make a Stand ! Or leave us now and may you never be thought of as one of us , go in Peace and beg for the Scraps from your masters table .
@ThePainefulTruth
I beg to differ that the fed gubmit is broken in terms of functionality or financially (Federal Reserve for one=printing money from thin air, etc., ad nauseum ). Please hear me out before ostricising: gubmits at ALL “levels” are merely puppets, marionettes of the Powers That Be (TPTB). This does in fact include most county and many municipal/local governments (Communities for Sustainable Development?). Many of the various states’ governors, past and present, of the various states are or were members of such organizations such as the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, etc., or closely affiliated with those organizations (TPTB). Perry (TX nafta, cafta, spp, etc)) and Vilsak (IA now secretary of Ag) as examples, although there are many more. While there are a handful who have rejected the UN thangy, they are a definite minority and in no position to provide any serious resistance.
The ruling organizations are for the most part performing exactly as they were intended. Therefore, the notion of nullification while sounding lofty and moral as compared to outright armed revolt, is a fantasy.
To suggest that there is enough power in any given sense of the term to enforce a nullification – even though a few states have supposedly done so – is ludicrous. TPTB have all the money they need, in excess, and they also have control of the ever increasing manpower to crush any resistance. Sad fact, but it’s the truth. Damn sure wish I could profess differently! Yeh, wishful. To validate the latter; why have Americans been allowed to stockpile weapons and ammo when virtually everything else is illegal or so heavily regulated? I submit that it’s because TPTB already have the equipment and/or forces in place that makes conventional weaponry so obsolete as to be laughable. I am former military with some expertise and therefore have some idea concerning this. How else do you suppose that they are brazen, confident enough to allow the recent flurry of the most draconian EOs? Think about it for a while……
What is happening now, not just in America the formerly beautiful, but around the world, is no coincidence. Part and parcel, it was planned many years ago; as in hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago by a certain cabal of “elites” whose bloodlines continue to rule to this day. Don’t laugh! They have an incredible amount of knowledge of YOU (and me), but how much do you know about THEM? They have invested heavily and are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING, an all inclusive EVERYTHING, no matter the expense, to attain their goal. I reckon that time may be a factor to them, though, given the rate at which TPTB are expanding their coercive grip on humanity. Are YOU willing to do the same? More to consider….
I strongly recommend searching and reading something called “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”. It is basically the detailed playbook of those whose sole purpose on this planet is to rule the world. Each and every element of this playbook is happening now, as I write this comment. (TPTB?) The “who, how and why” will become clear after reading this. Such entities as the UN’s Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius, S.A.L.T., Communities for Sustainable Development and virtually ALL presidential EOs will become much more clarified. Do not tarry as many/most of this is being censored/deleted from many different venues. It must hit pretty close to home? Don’t attack me the messenger with racism/anti-semitism because I am guilty of neither.
I also highly recommend reading a book by Jim Marrs (leave his ufo stuff aside) because it’s true; well and accurately researched and sourced. The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy is available in book form and there are several lectures that can be viewed on youtube. The videos are lengthy, so make some popcorn beforehand, sit down and watch. Well worth the time! Jim’s presentations are fun and pleasant to listen to.
What is truly amazing is that many of the aforementioned groups/entities make no secret of their agendas. They post it on their own websites in easily discernable language, but no one seems to notice or care. I reckon that the fluoride and little blue pills must be working in concert with tv subliminals and other forms of bread and circus. As planned?
In closing I sez Be Well, Learn as much as you can and don’t ever, never quit.
End of rant,
The Pessimist
Don’t underestimate the population. Lots and lots of people are waking up. And don’t underestimate nullification. We can say all day long that it won’t work–but when more people remember how this government is supposed to run, there becomes a tipping point of change, which is inevitable.
We offer another option.
The lawful notification of the world has been completed by a majority of the states.
The military is soon to be behind mass arrests of all the crooks. Yeah, they are on our side.
Financing is in place. Enough to pay the national debt several times over…
We are offering a County Project to rebuild and survive the mess that our representatives have made.
Hear me today on Freedom Reigns at blog talk radio 6 – 9 PM EST. There is a call in number…
As more people wake up to the situation we are in, the more will see the truth offered, and maybe stand up in order to be free…hmmm?
There are hundreds of thousands who are now listening, as this is very real…AND coming right at you.
Be ready to survive, gardens, food, water, an all that.
This ‘plan’ is set up to offer taking back our country in as peaceful a way as possible.
This is a group of several small groups in each state, we are not an organization and have no leader…
We leave freedom for all of us in order that We The People can change all that is apposed to our founding documents, the common law rule of law, and FREEDOM!
We are doing this for our children and grandchildren, and yours.
This an all volunteer effort, no one gets paid in any way.
I swear to support and defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
My oath of service, taken November 1, 1966.
Enjoy!
@DrakeBailey
Well said Drake, I know there are plans being put in place.
Reason is always an option and informed is reason when we understand what we are doing and why.
I’m new to this site but I do frequent many others although I rarely post. The one theme that is in common amongst all of them is the in-bickering between posters. Or maybe better stated “posers”. Everyone just has to be right. Whether I’m right or wrong is irrelevant to me – I’m looking into a fishbowl, so-to-speak.
One of the greatest tools used by those who would rule is the divide and conquer technique. It has worked throughout the whole history of so-called humanity. That’s why we have political “parties”, church “denominations” [demonizations?]. Class warfare, racial disparities, sports [modern day spartans?] at all levels and as Americans, an entire society/culture that, while it took decades to nurture, is based upon fear. Afraid that “our team” won’t make the playoffs, fear of pimples (ya won’t get laid), terrorized that your clothes and haircut aren’t hip enough, pecker or booobs ain’t big enough etc., etc. Fear of just about everything; most obsessions of which don’t really matter. And the horribly sad but still fascinating fact is that few don’t even realize that fear is their primary motivating factor in their lives. At least two whole generations born, bred and indoctrinated into a culture of fear so deeply ingrained that it doesn’t even register to the concsious mind. Very few actually do an in-depth gut-level self analysis to recognize what their true motivations are. So few ever ask “WHY?”.
If there’s anything to fear it’s that one will fall into the trap of division; the trap so carefully laid for all and sundry to fall into. Divide and conquer……….
Divide and conquer. All y’all arguing with each other – likely complete strangers – from the comfort and perceived safety of sitting behind a computater screen is a prime example. What a waste of time, energy. Efforts spurned continuing the agenda of those who would destroy you and everything that you stand for. Those who feed from the very essence of your life.
Divide and conquer folks who in all probability would at least get along with each other if not becoming fast friends, racial, religious, and ethnic barriers would not existing; the concept is sullied by silly and useless ideoms force fed to us via television, talk radio, public “education” and any myriad of entertainment and the rulers continue to rule.
Sun Tsu would most definitely approve of the tactics used against us. This is clearly spelled out by others, too.
Back to the topic of Legaleze nullification. The people who you are bartering with, in the most corrupt court and political system on the planet aren’t playing by the rules; they make the rules as they go. Even the lowest statured brownshirt has cart blanch authority it seems. The recent flurry of EOs should be an “in your face” hint. Why do the brownshirts do what they do?
That is another example of divide and conquer.
Sorry y’all, I don’t even pretend to have a solution, just making observations.
End of rant.
Peace and goodnight.
@the pessimist
I happen to agree with you and part of this is some dont want to hear or know what someone else has as ideas, they only want to tell. For me it is the attackers, when ever they attack they become a reaction or spectacle and some LOVE being one. I like to say let them show themselves because most that go around telling are the same ones who never listen. It is a habit they themselves form and not all habits are good ones are they? I dont have to be right only allowed to speak. In order to be allowed listening has to be on the other end and the tellers dont have time for listening at all thus the war of words which carry no force what so ever. It what people carry around with them that is the reaction or display. If you have a good heart you wont go around attacking everyone who speaks to you or writes something on a forum. And there is a big difference of challenging someones ideas and attacking them on ideas. In every case I have found those attacking to be the most critical of everyone else as well the biggest WILD display of reaction. In my world I have a tendency to play the mirror and all I use is mutual respect, give them what they are giving and the truth is all they are doing is showing their own misery provoked by their own lack of self respect. Its not me they hate, it is them thus the reflection of their own activities.
In all cases as well the most critical are always attacking on spelling, or critical about words or telling you how dumb you are and those are my favorites because they post the biggest wildest displays of all and after awhile they stop I am sure it is because they have embarrassed themselves so bad they cannot take themselves anymore. Most I can wipe out in a couple of days but some will continue for a couple of weeks before they stop. It kind of depends on the buttons they carry, the critical always have lots of buttons.
@WilliamSchooler Aaaaand the Sickness Continues …
@WilliamSchooler I fervently Hope that One Day You Will Be Able to Realize Your , Unfortunate , Massive “Insecurity” for what it is and the Blindness to Your Hypocracy . Bill , You Claim I insist on “My Way or the Highway” ( I’ve Only stated My opinion / Understanding / position on issues / ideas , hence the point of a forum to comment ! ) yet YOU ARE the one Who continues to be insisting of others to Accept / See your take on things Over and Over and Over without Ceasing ! Then You claim to Wipe Out most Dissenters in a couple of days while Some may Continue for a couple of Weeks … You Not only Continue with Your ” My WAY or the Highway” mentality … You even take Credit for “Chasing the Rascals Out ” as You Continue Over and Over and Over with Your WAY when the Truth IS it is much more likely that others , as do I , choose to Let it Go! , for the Forums Sake and ”FOR PETE’S SAKE” ! You Have a “Sickness” Old Boy and I Truly Hope You You “Get Over ” yourself … erh aaa … IT !
@ThePainefulTruth
I get why you cannot stand me, because I am not you, nor will I be. Its totally OK, I get you don’t understand what attacking people is, but you will some day and you will look back at this post and tell yourself you could have presented this much differently if you decided to. You made your choice and I get that. Mutual respect is a funny thing, someone throws some at you and you throw it back, they don’t like what they have thrown so they throw it back. Only every time they look there it is again staring at them. See it not me that gets rid of your own crap. Its you but you have yet to realize your own cause.
So the reason I say you are playing with yourself is because I am not playing, I am simply returning what you keep giving. I totally get this sucks for you and you don’t like it but yet you keep giving what you do not like and then you call me the ignorant one. I would really address that mirror and don’t think of me but really look at you, it would be far more productive.
Review these posts as much as you like and look where the attacks are coming from, really. Its all right here all you have to do is be willing to look at you. See I don’t get rid of them, they leave because they don’t want to look at themselves anymore they are that proud of their owen moments. Call me well versed as mirroring if you like, I can take it.
I have nothing against you at all and I am not attacking you, only returning you. It really doesn’t suck to be me and I have really good friends but for sure not everyone likes me because I am me and will never be you. So good luck on that road work dude, really.
Bill , EVERYTHING in Your reply Shows You Don’t “GET” anything ! You just KEEP telling Yourself that You are SWELL and EVERYBODY who Does’nt “GET” You is Somehow Deficient in”Sacred” Wisdom Only “GIFTED” to YOU ! I sometimes misspell words as I reply to You because You stir up an Overwhelming Uncontrollable Tear Squirting Fit of LAUGHTER due to Your Incessant CONVOLUTED Rebuttal attempts which You Seem to Always turn into Storytelling about Your VOODOO insights of Special knowledge . *Sigh ! , Oh Well . YOU Can Only Do the Best YOU can Do … BTW , Are You on Meds ? Are you taking them in Combinations ? I generally Don’t make issue with Characters such as YOU but Somehow You struck a Chord in me to Stir My Rebuttals for the Reasons Previously posted . I’ve learned that Sometimes It is Necessary to” REBUKE a FOOL According to His FOLLY” and at Some point it Becomes Prudent to ”REBUKE NOT , a FOOL According to HIS folly” … ponder this and see if You Have Enough Sense ( HONESTLY NOW ! … because You’re Always being “Honest” ! ) … to realize its PRESENT Application ! … Peace Out ! … Now I’m Going to Go STAB MySelf in the Eyes to Relieve the PAIN of “MENTAL ANGUISH” in Dealing with the Likes of YOU !
ARE YA HAPPY NOW ? !
@the pessimist I understand and agree with your assessment.
What I did was some 2 1/2 years of research into law, international law, cannon law, and ecclesiastical law, and their origins/basis.
The process and application does follow present nation state notification process, and because of its base structure also uses precedent and procedure that is outside the dominion of anything offered today.
Thus it is in and of itself, free standing, and merits itself. Autonamous law.
Authority is exactly what the user uses of that authority, applied correctly, there is no challenge.
This steps outside the limits of nullification and all other limitations than the simple notification itself.
This is why our paperwork was given a gold star, etc.
Civilian authority was given to the military to act according to our founding documents and by We The People’s consenting agreement on the action.
This avoids every objection I know of regarding the actionable part of our efforts.
However, it does allow our military to support a civilian action, federal marshal’s in support of local law enforcement to take the crooks into custody.
It takes a lot of study in order to know the manner in which things of this nature can be accomplished…all this is a matter of record and has lawful/legal precedent to support it.
It is the part that follows this when the extreme load of work begins.
I offer that starting on a local basis can offer the foundation needed to straighten out a county, state, and eventually our country.
We The People have come to a crossroads.
Forget all the BS about everything BUT being American…
We all now have to dismiss the propaganda and find that common ground we all stand on.
Return to the basics of agreeing to go forward by doing the right thing and acting accordingly.
>The key here is the number of people, size of the crowd, and the how loud we can get.
It was stated to us that millions will not be ignored…large number.
IF taken seriously, and each person takes even modest actions, that number is achievable.
I offer that spreading the word can go well past that multiple million number.
IF anyone you know or who reads this, knows of any general regulation, law, or restriction, that eats at them, invades their privacy, or controls their life in any way…TALK to everybody!
IF people would like to be heard by our deaf representatives, I strongly suggest you ask everyone IF they feel the same way and how much they like it…?
>IF the people of a free nation need to understand, here it is…
Individual groups in individual states have completed a lawful/legal notice internationally that we are no longer members of the corporation, but are free nations states.
This was requested by authorities in the Pentagon…’can you replicate what you have done?’
We have more than a majority of the states and are working to get the rest.
We are working on part of a plan that has been some twenty years in the making. It was started by individuals who saw the direction our country was headed, and knew we needed to change directions.
We have the backing of our military and finances are in place.
What is needed is for every person who feels a patriotic calling to listen to their heart in relation to our country and believes in freedom…to simply ask everyone you know if they feel the same way?
We are not asking anybody to follow anyone, we are asking for anyone who is serious about wanting to be free, to stand with our efforts.
Those efforts are stated quite clearly in our founding documents.
By our actions we have given new life to The Declaration of Independence.
We are using the 1787 Constitution, including the original 13th Amendment.
The famous Bill of Rights.
Including The Articles of Confederation.
Quite an impressive list and each is included in our notification.
In order to hear what has been factually recorded, I suggest you look up the Freedom Reigns Show on Freedomizer Radio at Blog Talk Radio.
The two shows are dated 3/15, and 3/18.
My addressing the troops has gone international, progressing like wildfire through our active duty military. I’m hopeful that most of the reserve, retired, and disabled troops also listen to it. Reason being that you may be needed by your country in the near future…
I ended up with being a spokesman for this effort, primarily dealing with our military. And yes, I do have contact chains that offer intelligence others do not get.
A web site- freedomreigns.us has parts of the program and recordings as reference.
To let people know, I have been partially active with The Tenth Amendment Center for years.
->At this point, I would officially request The Tenth Amendment Center to join in this effort.
I’ve also requested the same involvement from The N.R.A., Oath Keepers, and a large load of nationally located militias.
Add to that, each and every person who would take freedom over what we have now and the direction we are being pushed towards…is not to my liking.
None of us want a shooting revolution.
The plan is designed to be peaceful, and not interrupt services, like utilities, etc.
This is NOT replacing our government, rather changing its structure while the crooks are removed.
The F.E.M.A. camps will be used to hold those removed from their offices, to await adjudication.
>Understand that after this house cleaning, certain key offices will need to be filled in order to continue general operations…those who fill these vacancies need to be people who are so honest they are painful to be around. One does not have to be a rocket scientist to take care of business…BUT qualified assistants will be needed.
Outside of that, think of your locations…many people are going to be needed to help straighten out the huge mess our supposed representatives have made.
As we return to common law, that will take quite a few people some time to figure that out…
Then…
Exactly what kind of government structure will the people need?
A loaded question is one thing…these are overloaded.
Consider this as your last chance at setting our country free.
None of us are paid, we are all volunteers.
We ain’t doing this for us, rather most have kids and grandchildren, and we feel they deserve better..
That’s why.
@DrakeBailey Here in lies the rub. Quote: “Exactly what kind of government structure will the people need?”. People need to be forced…? Government in any form is by its nature the very essence of force. Whether volunteered or commandeered, the concept of government is based on the projection of force. Govern = to rule. Ment = the mentality, therefore the mentality of either ruling or being ruled. This returns us to my later post concerning divide and conquer.
“Consider this as our last chance at being free”. Let’s suppose that there were a massive nullification of abhorrent Fed gub laws, which at this juncture, would necessarily require the use of force. Regardless of who wins, it’s STILL a power struggle. With all too many who don’t want any part of any of it.
The constitution? Changing our gubmits structure? Only to have that same structure infiltrated and perverted once again so that our children and grandchildren (or maybe our grandchildren and theirs..) can deal with it? A constitution is a rule book. It’s a rule book made by human and executed by human - one that favors some, but not all. And if I wanted to be held by a certain club’s by-laws, it would be the American constitution. Problem is, is that there are more than a few living, breathing, honest and productive, autonomous folks who don’t want or need a rule book. The constitution is a biased form of corporate contract and while being “better” than others, it is yet a “legalized” form of coercion. Might makes right and justice? Um yeh okay.”
Qualified assistants? Whom exactly, qualifies the assistant?
FEMA camps to hold the public offenders? Naw. Not necessary. We all already know who they are and where to find them, if necessary. Unless of course they pursue biz elsewhere, in a place not here, and wherever they go, they will be known by their fruits and processed accordingly.
Another thunk and thanks for reading.
Peace and goodnight,
not always the pessimist
@DrakeBailey
Drake, I very much agree with you on all points except you saying we are not starting a new Government. When you remove the criminals running it now you are creating a new government one without the corrupt and it is this simple.
I think what a lot of people miss, not by their own fault because we have been continually miss informed about ourselves is that understanding, agreement and choice in a common direction equals force, not in the bad destructive sense but in the effort in motion sense.
The more that become willing to look, willing to understand and make an informed choice into this direction will cause this direction to take place. Determinism alone is all that is needed to achieve. All anyone has to do is look how they achieved any dream they have. It holds the entire truth as well the knowledge we carry but do not use about us.
Yes groups and individuals should join in the same cause, same direction where life is doing the actions of supporting life, thus the Declaration of Independence. Since I don’t view myself as some limited human but rather an abundance of life I have far better support for myself by my choices. You have all heard the saying “knowledge is power” and here is the truth, the knowledge of you, the understanding of you as decision and causes by you. We all have this but some have only attempted to limit our understanding of this by calling us human, or some human condition. Only Thomas Jefferson himself called us life for a reason and not to be limited by this human think.
In all directions and all achievements there has to be some guide or principal or foundation to hold it in place. Show me any achievements that do not have all the parts to make it whole. A car is a car because it has everything plus to transport you from point a to point b. Take the wheels off and you do not move.
All of us have the tools we need to defeat the stupid simply by using what we are capable of. This is all our enemies have ever feared about us but would never expose. Thinking otherwise is only agreement to their terms and not yours or mine.
I dare anyone to read the Declaration of Independence as a document for life to make decisions about itself and its future and you will see a whole different light. The basis is life remember and the way I make this very simple for myself is by saying (I am life energy able to create ideas of my own and decide upon my own). Now do the actions of supporting this idea and see what happens.
For those of you that cannot, please look at your own decision not to, that is all it comes down to. I have been teaching the Declaration of Independence for several months now and some are really starting to catch on and they will all be on board with this plan. Non violence is a big key to the successes of this country. If we view ourselves as incapable we shall be, if we decide we are very capable we will be. I know this because I have been using these concepts for several years now and cannot believe this was hidden from me and it was hidden folks.
When WE all take responsibility to inform each other of things we have learned that we may show the results of such activity will we raise our own knowledge of us and you really need to understand some have been working tirelessly to miss inform you for a very long time and it is very possible you need to question your own decision making. I did and I have changed my ways and the choices I now make. It is very important to this objective.
The best question you can ask to yourself and honestly answer is; do you want Liberty, to be free of criminals manipulating our system? If so be willing to look at all answers being suggested. Had I not been I would have never listened to Drake and from what I have been viewing so far, I like what I see. But what all of us want to see is some long standing results that totally verify this activity. But remember to do that you have to have others willing to fill the voids and make the necessary changes. My question to you , are you personally ready? I am very ready and have put a number of things in place just for such an event or any even for that matter even if it means my death. Because if I a cannot live by my choice I will die by theirs because I refuse to stand down and am willing to stand up for life in a living sense.
P. Tyler,
The corruption in government, both Federal, and in the state in which I live is like a rapidly spreading cancer and I therefore see little or no opportunity to overturn it without the drastic measures necessary to irradicate cancer. I would certainly be willing to volunteerr to help rid our country of the enemies within. However, with the power, might, control and resources available to them we are surely at an insurmountable disadvantage. And every day we lose more ground and the reality of recovering America’s freedom becomes less likely. Those states who have enough elected officials in adequately influencial positions who are willing and able to take measures to stand strong against the socialization of America and cleanse it’s governing system of the evil doers within and put measures in place to protect the system from future seige are our only hope. Forming a new union, run like a true business, our representatives being under written enforceable contracts, subjecting them to dismissal for violation thereof would be a huge step in the right direction,
@AmericanforLiberty I understand what you and a lot of people believe they are seeing, and I agree with your general ‘take’ on the situation. I used to feel that resistance was futile as well.
The reason I offer what I am is that I was unaware of the number of those who are involved who hold similar beliefs as I do. You know, freedom an all that…
The difference between the hopelessness of the situation you describe and the reality is simply that… These efforts are real.
AND…
There are a great many in sensitive and powerful positions who are on board with the idea of Freedom. These are the people who are backing and helping in this effort.
I agree that everyone has ‘opinions’, BUT, were any of those who are so right in their own minds to simply read the posts I’ve already made, they would know the difference.
Check into the notification process of the declaration of statehood, sovereignty, and independence in order to ‘get’ these ideas.
IF there are so many outside who know of the general freedom efforts, exactly how many are on the inside?
In general societal structure, all have basic uniformity as applied to the sociology of belief and knowledge. The things one segment knows, the same general knowledge is also held by all segments in the ratio or percentages. Thus, there is a sort of alignment and very little deviation, no matter the type of separation involved.
The ideas of freedom are held in the same percentages by those that are supposed to be our enemies, as are held by us on the outside.
That said…
I am a spokesman for several reasons. I can be trusted to hold my tongue and still be able to get the idea out, basically.
I will leave the rest to those who read this.
@DrakeBailey@AmericanforLiberty
So very true, thank you Drake for being that spokesman.
@AmericanforLiberty Ya left out county and municipalities. Otherwise, !!!!
@AmericanforLiberty Yes it’s a repost hopefully in the proper place this time.
Ya left out county and municipalities. Otherwise, !!!!