Refuted: Congressional Lies about NDAA Kidnapping

via DownsizeDC

NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act. Two sections of the bill permit the Kidnapping (arrest and indefinite detention without due process) of both citizens and non-citizens, charged with being tangentially related to terrorist groups or activities.

Members of Congress keep misleading constituents about what the bill actually does.

DownsizeDC.org already addressed the lie, “Don’t Worry, the NDAA exempts Americans” back on January 17. We consider that to be Part 1 in our responding to lies series.

The Latest Lie

A DC Downsizer writes, “Senator (blank)’s office is claiming that the NDAA gives the executive no new authority and only codifies a 2001 Supreme Court decision.”

This is supposed to make us feel better?

It doesn’t matter whether the office making this claim realizes they are prevaricating or they’re just ignorant and repeating a fable they’ve been told. Neither explanation of their behavior reflects well on them.

Let’s strip the cleverness. What are they’re ACTUALLY saying? 

“For years, the Executive Branch has usurped and used very similar powers. We, in Congress, have come along and brought the code of law in compliance with these acts. We have merely provided our endorsement and cover to them.”

Now, there’s actually a grain of truth in that statement, when it’s rendered that accurately. The Executive branch was outside the law. So what the Senator’s office is really saying is, “Two wrongs make a right.” 

But this answer is still misleading because this bill does NEW things . . . 

1) For the first time, America was declared part of the “battlefield” in the war on terrorism.

* Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who backed the bill, indicated that the bill “basically say(s) in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield,” and that people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.”
* Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

2) Indefinite detention for American citizens was also novel.

Consider the following exchange between him and Senator Rand Paul from the Senate floor . . . 

MR. PAUL: My question would be, under the provisions, would it be possible that an American citizen could be declared an ‘enemy combatant’ and sent to Guantanamo Bay, and detained indefinitely?

MR. McCAIN: I think that as long as that individual, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, if they POSE A THREAT to the security of the United States of America, should not be allowed to continue the threat.

3) As of yet, no bill calls for total repeal of BOTH offending sections, 1021 and 1022. But there are bills by Senator Diane Feinstein, Ron Paul, and others, calling for modification or repeal of various aspects.

Why would such bills be necessary, and even more important, why are they being resisted, IF, no new power is represented here?

  • Repeal 1021? Well, we don’t really need it because the power already existed, right? 
  • Declare that America is not part of the battlefield, continuing with Posse Comitatus? Why not, since there’s nothing new here?
  • Exempt Americans? Why object, if there’s nothing novel about this law?

By the way, since there’s an office saying that there’s a Supreme Court case, and they are merely “ratifying,” then I’m curious about two more things . . . 

1) What is the decision to which they are referring?

2) What clause in the Constitution permitted either the Executive Branch or the Supreme Court to create a law, and the Congress to come along and “ratify” it? Isn’t this EXPRESSLY the opposite of the Constitutional design, whereby the elected representatives of the people legislate?

I hate to name names because this “Don’t Worry” lying campaign is widespread amongst Congress-criminals. Call your Reps and Senators to find out if they are among the guilty.

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EDITOR’S NOTE – This post originally appeared at DownsizeDC.org

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28 comments
Incredulous1
Incredulous1 like.author.displayName 1 Like

"When the People fear the government, there is Tyranny. When the government fears the People, there is Liberty."

--Thomas Jefferson

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."

–-Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

--Thomas Jefferson

The tyrannical ruling elite in this country foolishly have no fear.

DavidWelsh
DavidWelsh

The last time America was treated as a battlefield was the Civil War. And we all know how civil liberties fared during that period.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler like.author.displayName 1 Like

Throughout centuries the establishments of societies (pretend authorities) have manipulated language to favor them by making it look like it favors you. Usually lawyers are involved to make it obscure and unclear. Before the 20th century they have gotten away with this all these centuries.

But today we gave the internet with a lot of intelligent people able to use dictionaries and good common sense. Able to see through the muck of language itself. I personally have reviewed the abuses of language throughout time and what we see today is no different that yesterday.

The passing of these poor ideas has gone from one society to another by those who pass these, the unauthorized educators. Those who have no real experiences and have taken on all these poor ideas as a genuine. Yet the results point to massive abuses for some 5500 years.

Thank god for the internet right? But we all know they are attempting to rob us this tool as well because to many are questioning their false authority and this is a crime against the kings and queens of the universe, the rulers of the back yard where all the ideas of false authority generate consistently.

In history laws, language, finance, authority and bad ideas have been abused and all these creations came from the very same source and passed down from one source to another source that would accept them. Usually by the time it is discovered it becomes too late and this is where the societies fail.

But for me I have the ideas of Thomas Jefferson who shared with me some of the best ideas I could ever investigate, I have the internet today and if I can convince enough others their significance then together we can take back our back yard, return our nation to ourselves and give the world the example they enjoyed to watch as the hope of nations by its prosperity of accomplishing. To deliver ideas that perform in the direction of life itself, in its allowance, in its ability to create better ideas and to present these in an applicable form.

The liars have been lying to themselves their whole life time and know nothing about themselves and only how to pass on bad ideas that we are certain do not perform well at all. Ignorance is blind and so are these politician, lawyers and highly trained financiers to repeated failure. The results lay through all of history which we can find on the internet if we are willing to look with language practices that will make you shake your head.

Danny Carletta Burrows
Danny Carletta Burrows

I am so tired of hearing false justification after false justification... almost all of congress is totally deluded and deceived! They have forgotten why they were elected and they for sure do not understand the Constitution. I truly wonder just how many of them have even read the Constitution that they took an OATH to SUPPORT, PROTECT and DEFEND... It is absolutely maddening! We have to vote these losers out of office!

Dawn M Johnson
Dawn M Johnson

I'm catching up, all I've heard today is that Iran or Isreal are taking out one

Michelle Dumas Barbay
Michelle Dumas Barbay

Does this mean we can throw both houses and the entire cabinet into Gitmo? With obama leading the way? They are all athreat to AMerica.

Eloise Prael Dougherty
Eloise Prael Dougherty

There was a protest in DC today against NDAA but I haven't heard anything about it on the news.

Andrew Nappi
Andrew Nappi

Harry Bott, congress sent him their approval...charge them all, but don't blame him alone for simply accepting the increased power they handed him with their collective thumbs up their arses.

Harry Bott
Harry Bott

His signing of the NDAA makes Obama a traitor plain and simple Congress should be bringing him up on treason and start the impeachment process!

Bob Bowser
Bob Bowser

But Obama, on his way to the Honolulu goof course, as he signed it into law, stated "My administration will NEVER take advantage of our ability to arrest and detain indefinitely"... so he KNEW what was in it BEFORE he signed it... and so did all of CONgress (opposite of PROgress).

Mick W Wright-Hooper
Mick W Wright-Hooper

seems nobama had them put the garbage in so that we will be like when abe lincoln who had arrested 50000 people during the war of norhtern agression agianst the south but alot of northerners were arrested because they were against that what he was dong to the south nothing seems to change it is time to take back the constitution and apply all laws to these traitors over there in washington district of criminals

Ben Doolin
Ben Doolin

The entire Federal Government needs to be fired. It was created to serve a VERY limited purpose... 'service' that can now be handled without a federal government... the constant wars... the complete elimination of liberty... the intrusion into every aspect of everyone's lives on a daily basis. There is no reason to keep the federal government. It went from a very minor service provider... to YOUR OWNER!

Robert Ryan
Robert Ryan

Go to Cornell Law library and look up the definition of "United States" go to title 28> partVI> chapter 176> subchapter A> 3002 (15) The United States is a Corperation and so the constitution is suspened, Same goes for the President writting executive orders, it only can be done if the constitution is suspened. We are livivng under dictatorship rule, the Republicans and Democrates are one in the same. Our goevernment is a fraud.

RepublicRed
RepublicRed like.author.displayName 1 Like

THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO REPRESENTATIVE ROSS:

IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE KIDNAPPING OF AMERICAN CITIZENS WHY DID YOU VOTE 'AYE' FOR THE NDAA? MR. WEST CERTAINLY DID!

IF YOU REALLY SUPPORT THE CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT THEN 'WORK' ON GOVERNOR SCOTT TO NULLIFY THIS ATROCITY THAT TRAMPLES ON THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND 'BURNS' THE CONSTITUTION!

ALL OF YOU TOOK AN OATH..TO THE CONSTITUTION..ALL AND ANY OF YOU THAT VOTED 'AYE' FOR THIS MONSTROSITY TARGETING ANY AND ALL AMERICANS AS 'ENEMY COMBATANTS' NEED TO NULLIFY YOUR VOTE.

WE THE CONSTITUENTS PUT YOU INTO OFFICE BY OUR VOTES...IT IS YOUR JOB AND YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT US!!

RED

RepDennisRoss
RepDennisRoss

@FL10thAmendment if u think I, Allen west, Sam Johnson and others would support "kidnapping" Americans, u don't know a thing about us.

FL10thAmendment
FL10thAmendment

@RepDennisRoss We know you don't have the courage to admit your mistake and will keep spinning your misapprehensions.

RepDennisRoss
RepDennisRoss

@FL10thAmendment once you personally attack your arguments are bankrupt. I don't doubt your sincerity, I just believe you are wrong

FL10thAmendment
FL10thAmendment

@RepDennisRoss If were wrong ther'd be no harm. Congress' mistake when denied imperils all. Simply repeal and rewrite #ndaa with guarantees

RepublicRed
RepublicRed like.author.displayName 1 Like

WE THE PEOPLE MUST STOP THE GLOBALISTS!! THERE'S MILLIONS OF US AND A 'HANDFUL OF THEM'.

WAKE UP FOLKS!

RED

Bob Greenslade
Bob Greenslade like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

There should be a 3rd question. Since the DNAA violates several provisions of the Bill of Rights, and the purpose of Amendments, as stated in preamble to the Bill of Rights was to placed additional prohibitions on the powers of the federal government, where is the federal government granted the power to remove or modify enumerated restraints on its powers?

This is what happens when we treat the Amendments as grants of rights instead of denials of power.

RepublicRed
RepublicRed like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

@Bob Greenslade

'THE EMPEROR' OR 'OUR NEWLY ANNOINTED KING' GAVE HIMSELF THAT POWER.

HE JUST CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THE SENATE..DOES AS HE PLEASES..CONGRESS (COWARDLY TRAITOROUS MICE..MOST OF THEM) JUST LET THIS HAPPEN!

WE CANNOT JUST SIT STILL AND DO NOTHING..OUR BEAUTIFUL REPUBLIC IS SLOWLY SLIDING INTO THE 'FOURTH REICH'.

AS A TRUE PATRIOT AND CONSTITUTIONALIST I AM OUTRAGED!! RON PAUL HAS TO GET INTO OFFICE OR WE BE TOTALLY UNDER THIS 'DICTATORSHIP'.

RED

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@RepublicRed@Bob Greenslade

Very true, but not only do they make it up but no one stands up in defiance. Answer this for yourself, which community do you SEE living as a Republic?

Where are all these communities getting all their information to be communities, to be Republics?

The truth, they are not and are getting false information from federal and state Governments. Most are built around law and this law is corrupt.

Show me where we are trained to live as a Republic because I can show you where we are trained to be good little boys and girls to be corporate pets and do what we are told and not ask questions.

Show me which education program we are using that shows us how to live as Republics versus trained sheep camps?

Thats what I thought, there is no where we are training OURSELVES to live as that which we wish to live as, a True Republic because we are so wrapped up in all the improper training we already received. The truth shall set us free but first you have to look at you and how you are training yourself to live as this idea A Republic, well are you?

Why the hell not?

Sometimes we have to look deep into that mirror and discover ourselves and then RETRAIN ourselves. If you don’t believe me, who the hell trained you the way you are now, you your whole life or some other your whole life and ask yourself; do you personally live as A Republic and that answer is sitting right before you if you dare look.

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