The Little-Known – but Seminal – York Town Convention of 1777

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by Rob Natelson

The U.S. Constitution authorizes a “convention for proposing amendments” to offer amendments for ratification (or rejection) by the states.

The mechanism has never been used (all amendments have come from Congress), and many people have been curious about how it is supposed to work. But that’s because they are unaware of the long series of interstate “proposing” conventions held during the Founding Era—each charged with suggesting answers to specified problems.

All of these conventions were meetings of state delegations (“committees”) appointed and empowered by their respective states. In addition to the famed 1787 gathering in Philadelphia, interstate conventions met in Providence, Rhode Island (1776-77 and again in 1781); Springfield, Massachusetts (1777); New Haven, Connecticut (1778); Hartford, Connecticut (1779 and 1780); Philadelphia (1780); Boston (1780); and Annapolis, Maryland (1786). It is possible that others met in Charleston in 1777 and/or 1778 and in Fredericksburg, Virginia in 1778. Attendance ranged from three states to twelve.

The protocol of those assemblies can tell us much about the Founders’ expectations for the “convention to propose amendments.” The problem is that, except for the Annapolis and 1787 Philadelphia meetings, records covering them can be hard to find. I’ve learned that even experienced archivists can have trouble locating them.

Nevertheless, by late 2010, I had managed to collect the journals (official minutes) of all of the conventions certainly held except one—the particularly interesting convention at York Town, Pennsylvania.

The York Town gathering, held between March 26 and April 3, 1777 (not to be confused with later meetings in the same town by the Continental Congress), stands out for several reasons. First, it was one of the earlier interstate conventions, and its proceedings could serve as precedents for the others. Second, it was unusual (but not unique) in that it was called by Congress rather than by one or more states. (The Constitutional Convention, for example, was not called by Congress, as widely believed, but by Virginia.) Finally, the states attending represented a big stretch of the country, ranging from Virginia to New York.

Then, just a few days ago, I found the convention’s journal. It bore the relatively uncommon name of “Minutes” rather than “Journal,” and showed up on pages 34 to 45 in a collection of old correspondence to and from the New Jersey executive council.  You can find a digital version of the collection here.

Some highlights of the York Town Convention:

* Congress called the convention on February 15, 1777 to deal with problems of price inflation. (The call is in theseventh volume of the Journals of the Continental Congress, pp. 124-25.)

* Eighteen men in six state delegations attended. They had been appointed by authorities in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia.

* The delegations ranged in size from two to five, but (as was true of other interstate conventions) each state had one vote.

* Although some Founding-Era conventions included participants who are now famous, the delegates at York Town were nearly all men whose names are obscure today. Perhaps the best known was Caesar Rodney of Delaware, who signed the Declaration of Independence, served in the Continental Congress, and was President of Delaware for much of the Revolutionary War.

* They met in the York Town home of William White. As was true of other gatherings of its type, the convention selected its own officers. Lewis Burwell of Virginia was elected chairman and Thomas Ennor (not a delegate) served as clerk.

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* The convention established a three-man Ways and Means committee to develop a price-control plan to recommend to their respective states. They later expanded the committee to six. The plan was presented, and an amendment rejected by a vote of one state to four, with the Maryland delegation divided. The plan was ultimately rejected on a 3-3 vote.

Most Founding-Era proposal conventions did, in fact, issue proposals. The York Town convention’s decision not to do so reflects a prerogative of such conventions. In later correspondence, James Madison recognized that a convention for proposing amendments would have the same prerogative.

The York Town convention’s decision not to recommend price controls was wise. As Dr. Benjamin Rush pointed out in the Continental Congress about the same time, price controls have a long record of failure. Rush predicted they would fail again, and they did so in those states, such as Connecticut and Rhode Island, that adopted them.  In fact, the Springfield Convention, meeting the following summer, acknowledged the failure and recommended repeal. And price controls have continued to fail, often with unfortunate unintended consequences, ever since.

In private life, Rob Natelson is a long-time conservative/free market activist, but professionally he is a constitutional scholar whose meticulous studies of the Constitution’s original meaning have been published or cited by many top law journals. (See: www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson.htm.) Most recently, he co-authored The Origins of the Necessary and Proper Clause (Cambridge University Press) and The Original Constitution (Tenth Amendment Center). After a quarter of a century as Professor of Law at the University of Montana, he recently retired to work full time at Colorado’s Independence Institute.

About Rob Natelson

In private life, Rob Natelson is a long-time conservative/free market activist, but professionally he is a constitutional scholar whose meticulous studies of the Constitution's original meaning have been published or cited by many top law journals. (See: www.constitution.i2i.org/about/.) Most recently, he co-authored The Origins of the Necessary and Proper Clause (Cambridge University Press) and The Original Constitution (Tenth Amendment Center). After a quarter of a century as Professor of Law at the University of Montana, he recently retired to work full time at Colorado's Independence Institute.

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6 comments
SgPoyzer
SgPoyzer

Excellent piece of historical information. This will be shared!

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

These tid bits of information are great when used but when archived achieve nothing.

The fact that price control by results is a viewable act that is not taken into account for choice is my pure pleasure, so why is it they decide to continue?

What basis do they use and who is using such a basis? Surely not those upholding any oath of office.

This is something that is interesting to me about proposals and we see this everywhere. Proposal are brought forth as ideas only, in other words far from tested ideas. Then these ideas are decided for or against. Once decided for is like biblical term, it must be because we decided based on nothing because untested ideas are nothing until tested.

But this extends into many other examples of fail systems continuing based on a choice made versus some visual result of success or failure. Further more success and failure is measured in dollars and cents in this country so no true value is shown. Because dollars and cents are a representation of something, unless of course you own a printing press and own the switch that turns it on.

Truly success is a measurement of accomplishments, is a state represented by its accomplishments which can show work both in sustaining practices for its communities as well its total support for life in its communities?

This is not measured in wealth and today wealth has no representation of accomplishments at all. Unless of course you consider debt and accomplishment then we are flourishing.

What is even more astounding is so few are actually involved, supposed decision makers who have no proven achievements to make choices for all others. This would be poor authority complex, people thinking they are something they are not at all.

WilliamSchooler
WilliamSchooler

It used to be representatives and delegates would come to your homes and discuss, although not in all cases and few and far between.

First, who are the deciding in a society? Secondly what are the deciding factors in a society as a whole?

Deciding factors are what exists in the whole of a society, so how many thing actually do? Does life, look around you. Does the act of Liberty? again look around you. Is life pursuing achievements? Again look around you.

So what is missing and do these cover all the rest?

What then are the deciding factor that facilitates these in a society?

Looking into the Declaration of Independence was very enlightening for me and exposed infiltrators, or people that would alter something genuine not to expose the truth.

What I mean is if you read the original draft, if you realize all Thomas Jefferson did was use Observed results and experiences to document. Then you look to see what was removed and answer yourself why anyone would remove a documented truth you would see what I mean. Now look at the Constitution with this prospective and Oh my, its like a widow opens up.

The important thing to realize is what a documented truth really is; it is the viewable results of some act of some idea that has been tested and is open for review or to experience first hand. What is a failed price control? Viewable by result?

Then it should be documented and used as a deciding factor in decision making in the direction of society in support of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and when it is not will poor choice prevail.

I know tough to swallow, believe me.

infiltrators; in this sense are individuals with other intent of what is proposed, they have no intent on the truth and are intent on pushing the lie.

Admiral America
Admiral America

Even if a Constitution convention convened some how the Federal government would corrupt it. Still it would be interesting to see what the Feds would do if the States called such a convention to declare the regime null, and void due to numerous violations of the Constitution. Then a new Federal government would be formed that would obey the Constitution. Since the Federal government is supposed be very small there should be no trouble with having a rotating capitol where each year a new State's Capitol becomes the US Capitol.

vet91
vet91

@Admiral America A federal judge would block it. Probably citing the supremacy clause. The lapdog American public would continue with their daily business as usual. Anybody see that game last night? American idol comes on at 7pm.