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		<title>By: L:ock</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-598640</link>
		<dc:creator>L:ock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here we are again - we alway return to the Federal government usurping powers and cancelling States rights and the rights of the People. 
 
 
 
Robert Yates, AntiFederalist Paper #17 &#8211; Federalist Power Will Ultimately Subvert State Authority 
 
On March 2, 2011, in Robert Yates, by admin 
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This [new] government is to possess absolute and uncontrollable powers, legislative, executive and judicial, with respect to every object to which it extends, for by the last clause of section eighth, article first, it is declared, that the Congress shall have power &#8220;to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or office thereof. &#8221; 
And by the sixth article, it is declared, &#8220;that this Constitution, and the laws of the United States, which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and the treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or law of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. &#8221; 
It appears from these articles, that there is no need of any intervention of the State governments, between the Congress and the people, to execute any one power vested in the general government, and that the Constitution and laws of every State are nullified and declared void, so far as they are or shall be inconsistent with this Constitution, or the laws made in pursuance of it, or with treaties made under the authority of the United States. The government, then, so far as it extends, is a complete one, and not a confederation. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are again &#8211; we alway return to the Federal government usurping powers and cancelling States rights and the rights of the People. </p>
<p>Robert Yates, AntiFederalist Paper #17 &ndash; Federalist Power Will Ultimately Subvert State Authority </p>
<p>On March 2, 2011, in Robert Yates, by admin<br />
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This [new] government is to possess absolute and uncontrollable powers, legislative, executive and judicial, with respect to every object to which it extends, for by the last clause of section eighth, article first, it is declared, that the Congress shall have power &ldquo;to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or office thereof. &rdquo;<br />
And by the sixth article, it is declared, &ldquo;that this Constitution, and the laws of the United States, which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and the treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or law of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. &rdquo;<br />
It appears from these articles, that there is no need of any intervention of the State governments, between the Congress and the people, to execute any one power vested in the general government, and that the Constitution and laws of every State are nullified and declared void, so far as they are or shall be inconsistent with this Constitution, or the laws made in pursuance of it, or with treaties made under the authority of the United States. The government, then, so far as it extends, is a complete one, and not a confederation. </p>
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		<title>By: L:ock</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>L:ock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With respect to the words &#8220;general welfare,&#8221; I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. &#8211; Letter to James Robertson (1831-04-20) James Madison ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the words &ldquo;general welfare,&rdquo; I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. &ndash; Letter to James Robertson (1831-04-20) James Madison </p>
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		<title>By: a_kakar</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-598483</link>
		<dc:creator>a_kakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The U. S. Congress, in 1988; using it&#039;s Rule XXVII, suspended the rules, enacted a statute 28 USC 2073 subdivision (c)(1); statutorily empowering, &quot;committees affiliated with U. S. Courts&quot;;  to &quot;convene secret meetings&quot; for making rules &quot; which, in turn affect rights of all the people, in Civil and Criminal Trials. in U. S. Courts&quot; and authorised the &quot;committees, answerable to U. S. Courts&quot; to redact the &quot;record of reasoning for holding such SECRET meetings&quot;...if anyone asked for the &quot;record&quot; of such meeting. 
 
President reagan, signed it into Law, 11-19-1988; to impose unbelievable burden, on all the people. 
This is how...the U. S. Congress...violated Article I, section 1; delegated it&#039;s &quot;power to make rules&quot; to the U. S. Courts...since 1911....and travesty set in.  
 
Has anyone...any thoughts about it ? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U. S. Congress, in 1988; using it&#039;s Rule XXVII, suspended the rules, enacted a statute 28 USC 2073 subdivision (c)(1); statutorily empowering, &quot;committees affiliated with U. S. Courts&quot;;  to &quot;convene secret meetings&quot; for making rules &quot; which, in turn affect rights of all the people, in Civil and Criminal Trials. in U. S. Courts&quot; and authorised the &quot;committees, answerable to U. S. Courts&quot; to redact the &quot;record of reasoning for holding such SECRET meetings&quot;&#8230;if anyone asked for the &quot;record&quot; of such meeting. </p>
<p>President reagan, signed it into Law, 11-19-1988; to impose unbelievable burden, on all the people.<br />
This is how&#8230;the U. S. Congress&#8230;violated Article I, section 1; delegated it&#039;s &quot;power to make rules&quot; to the U. S. Courts&#8230;since 1911&#8230;.and travesty set in.  </p>
<p>Has anyone&#8230;any thoughts about it ? </p>
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		<title>By: a_kakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>a_kakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any one has any thoughts, about the U. S. House using Rule XXVII and enacing Laws, in the year 2000; where only 5 Rep.  and then 5 senators voted to enact a law, violated the &quot;Quorum clause&quot;...and landed, all of us in this soup, called Economic Disaster. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any one has any thoughts, about the U. S. House using Rule XXVII and enacing Laws, in the year 2000; where only 5 Rep.  and then 5 senators voted to enact a law, violated the &quot;Quorum clause&quot;&#8230;and landed, all of us in this soup, called Economic Disaster. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This country has never fought a civil war.  1861-1865 was a war for Independence.  It was a war of aggression.  The 11 years that followed were occupied years in which the Constitution was laid aside.  A civil war is; a war fought between two or more opposing factions for control of a central government.  I will say again, we have never fought a civil war in this country. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country has never fought a civil war.  1861-1865 was a war for Independence.  It was a war of aggression.  The 11 years that followed were occupied years in which the Constitution was laid aside.  A civil war is; a war fought between two or more opposing factions for control of a central government.  I will say again, we have never fought a civil war in this country. </p>
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		<title>By: Austin H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If ONLY we had to worry about regulation from the Post Office...a Constitutional (but bankrupt) entity!  Now we have to worry about what light bulb we use and what kind of milk we can drink. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ONLY we had to worry about regulation from the Post Office&#8230;a Constitutional (but bankrupt) entity!  Now we have to worry about what light bulb we use and what kind of milk we can drink. </p>
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		<title>By: L:ock</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-580704</link>
		<dc:creator>L:ock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We humans like to construct straw men to knock down and use as a proof of the statement. Words like people and societies change drastically over time and then force us to apply the normal behavior and word meaning as of the time it was recorded. IMO. 
 
So, to answer your question we need to find the actual definitions of the words in the time of the Founder and we need to determine the actual normal type of business/commerce/export/import/excise/duties and other facts of the describe clause. Then we can go to the Federalist and Anti-Federalist paper, minutes of the Ratification convention. As an example of the fallacy  of using current definitions will become apparent by reading just a few example below. Apply these definitions to the days news and see what sense you can make of it? 
 
CONDESCENDING&#8212;Condescending had none of the negative implications it has today. Aristocrats 
who showed a proper degree of courtesy to their social inferiors were said to be condescending. 
CONVENT&#8212;Convent could mean not only a nunnery, but a monastery as well. 
CONVERSATION&#8212;Any social interaction. Criminal conversation was adultery. 
CORDIAL&#8212;A drink of hard liquor, often taken for what was supposed to be medicinal purposes. 
CORN&#8212;As is still the case in Britain, corn meant any grain, including wheat and barley. 
CORRESPONDENCE&#8212;Not only an interchange of letters, but any sort of relationship. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We humans like to construct straw men to knock down and use as a proof of the statement. Words like people and societies change drastically over time and then force us to apply the normal behavior and word meaning as of the time it was recorded. IMO. </p>
<p>So, to answer your question we need to find the actual definitions of the words in the time of the Founder and we need to determine the actual normal type of business/commerce/export/import/excise/duties and other facts of the describe clause. Then we can go to the Federalist and Anti-Federalist paper, minutes of the Ratification convention. As an example of the fallacy  of using current definitions will become apparent by reading just a few example below. Apply these definitions to the days news and see what sense you can make of it? </p>
<p>CONDESCENDING&mdash;Condescending had none of the negative implications it has today. Aristocrats<br />
who showed a proper degree of courtesy to their social inferiors were said to be condescending.<br />
CONVENT&mdash;Convent could mean not only a nunnery, but a monastery as well.<br />
CONVERSATION&mdash;Any social interaction. Criminal conversation was adultery.<br />
CORDIAL&mdash;A drink of hard liquor, often taken for what was supposed to be medicinal purposes.<br />
CORN&mdash;As is still the case in Britain, corn meant any grain, including wheat and barley.<br />
CORRESPONDENCE&mdash;Not only an interchange of letters, but any sort of relationship. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-580677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 16:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops.   I meant &quot;interstate&quot; in the second line of the third-to-last sentence. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.   I meant &quot;interstate&quot; in the second line of the third-to-last sentence. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-580673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are some Tenthers that will disagree that the only purpose of the word, &quot;regulate,&quot; was to set uniform standards as regards weight and such.   I have seen the argument that the term meant to allow Congress to set such rules as are necessary to maintain open trade.   The idea was to prevent boycotts, directly (as in a boycott itself) or indirectly (as through excess taxation or duties). 
 
When you look at it from this angle of &quot;open trade,&quot; we have a much more expansive view.  All the sudden, we have a potential for some difficult issues. 
 
What if, for example, one state wants to promote its domestic fluorescent light manufacturers and so, enacts a law stating, &quot;In connection with the sale to an individual or business consumer in this state of any incandescent light bulb, there shall be a tax added to the sales price equal to the sum of 50% of the sales price?&quot;    
 
Notice this rule says nothing as regards the fact that the taxed bulbs must come from outside the state?   It is, on its face, purely neutral on that issue.   Is Congress empowered to prohibit this new state sales tax?  Buried in the analysis (when you start looking at the interstate commerce issue) is a tough question.....   &quot;What exactly IS interstate commerce?   When does it begin?   When does it end?    
 
If a manufacturer in one state sells a product to a distributor in another state, clearly, we have interstate commerce.   But now that the distributor in the other state is going to sell to grocery stores located within that same state, you would say, &quot;There, we have intrastate commerce.&quot;    
 
So, let&#039;s see what happens to our sales tax scenario.   If the sales tax occurs at the grocery store (consumer level), this will affect demand in the state.   The reduction in demand will lead to the in-state distributor needing less to supply and thus, placing fewer orders with the out-of-state manufacturer.    
 
Thus, an act of regulating intrastate commerce by a state can most definitely have an affect of regulating intrastate commerce - although the effect is indirect, it is nonetheless an effect and is all that is needed to allow a state to close off certain trade from other states. 
 
Not so easy, is it? 
 
How do we fix these problems? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some Tenthers that will disagree that the only purpose of the word, &quot;regulate,&quot; was to set uniform standards as regards weight and such.   I have seen the argument that the term meant to allow Congress to set such rules as are necessary to maintain open trade.   The idea was to prevent boycotts, directly (as in a boycott itself) or indirectly (as through excess taxation or duties). </p>
<p>When you look at it from this angle of &quot;open trade,&quot; we have a much more expansive view.  All the sudden, we have a potential for some difficult issues. </p>
<p>What if, for example, one state wants to promote its domestic fluorescent light manufacturers and so, enacts a law stating, &quot;In connection with the sale to an individual or business consumer in this state of any incandescent light bulb, there shall be a tax added to the sales price equal to the sum of 50% of the sales price?&quot;    </p>
<p>Notice this rule says nothing as regards the fact that the taxed bulbs must come from outside the state?   It is, on its face, purely neutral on that issue.   Is Congress empowered to prohibit this new state sales tax?  Buried in the analysis (when you start looking at the interstate commerce issue) is a tough question&#8230;..   &quot;What exactly IS interstate commerce?   When does it begin?   When does it end?    </p>
<p>If a manufacturer in one state sells a product to a distributor in another state, clearly, we have interstate commerce.   But now that the distributor in the other state is going to sell to grocery stores located within that same state, you would say, &quot;There, we have intrastate commerce.&quot;    </p>
<p>So, let&#039;s see what happens to our sales tax scenario.   If the sales tax occurs at the grocery store (consumer level), this will affect demand in the state.   The reduction in demand will lead to the in-state distributor needing less to supply and thus, placing fewer orders with the out-of-state manufacturer.    </p>
<p>Thus, an act of regulating intrastate commerce by a state can most definitely have an affect of regulating intrastate commerce &#8211; although the effect is indirect, it is nonetheless an effect and is all that is needed to allow a state to close off certain trade from other states. </p>
<p>Not so easy, is it? </p>
<p>How do we fix these problems? </p>
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		<title>By: L:ock</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/23/correcting-the-record-on-necessary-and-proper/comment-page-1/#comment-580644</link>
		<dc:creator>L:ock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a Doctor talks about REGULAR there is no doubt as to the meaning? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a Doctor talks about REGULAR there is no doubt as to the meaning? </p>
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