Nullification: Answering the Objections

by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

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In January 2011 my book Nullification became notorious when it was linked to a bill that declared Barack Obama’s health care law unconstitutional and therefore void and of no effect in the state of Idaho.  (Other states have been introducing similar bills, but Idaho grabbed the media’s attention.)  Legislators had read it, the news media reported, and while Governor Butch Otter turned down a state senator’s offer of a copy, that was only because he already had one.  He had read it, too.

Naturally, the smear patrol went into overdrive.  Why, this is crazy talk from a bunch of “neo-Confederates” who hate America!  Anyone who has observed American political life for the past 20 years could have predicted the hysterical replies down to the last syllable.

“Nullification” dates back to 1798, when James Madison and Thomas Jefferson drafted the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions, respectively.  There we read that the states, which created the federal government in the first place, by the very logic of what they had done must possess some kind of defense mechanism should their creation break free of the restraints they had imposed on it.  Jefferson himself introduced the word “nullification” into the American political lexicon, by which he meant the indispensable power of a state to refuse to allow an unconstitutional federal law to be enforced within its borders.

Today, political decentralization is gathering steam in all parts of the country, for all sorts of reasons. I fail to see the usefulness of the term “neo-Confederate” – whatever this Orwellian neologism is supposed to mean – in describing a movement that includes California’s proposal to decriminalize marijuana, two dozen states’ refusal to abide by the REAL ID Act, and a growing laundry list of resistance movements to federal government intrusion. As states north and south, east and west, blue and red, large and small discuss the prospects for political decentralization, the Enforcers of Approved Opinion have leaped into action.  Not to explain where we’re wrong, of course – we deviants are entitled at most to a few throwaway arguments that wouldn’t satisfy a third grader – but to smear and denounce anyone who strays from Allowable Opinion, which lies along that glorious continuum from Joe Biden to Mitt Romney.

Anyone who actually reads the book will discover, among many other things, that the Principles of ’98 – as these decentralist ideas came to be known – were in fact resorted to more often by northern states than by southern, and from 1798 through the second half of the nineteenth century were used in support of free speech and free trade, and against the fugitive-slave laws, unconstitutional searches and seizures, and the prospect of military conscription, among other examples. And nullification was employed not in support of slavery but against it.

When Nullification was released, here’s what I predicted would happen: “If the book’s arguments are addressed at all, they will be treated at a strictly second-grade level. (Official Left and Right agree on more than they care to admit, an unswerving commitment to nationalism being one of those things.) The rest of the so-called reply will run like this: Nullification is a secret plot to restore the southern Confederacy, and Woods himself is a sinister person with wicked intentions, before which all his fancy moral and constitutional arguments are nothing but a devious smokescreen.”  (I went on to make my Interview With a Zombie video to suggest how a typical media interview on the subject might run, and made my first video blog in response to the hysteria over Idaho.)

Since that is indeed what has happened, I’m following up with this point-by-point reply to the standard arguments I knew would be trotted out against the idea.  (My replies to these claims are discussed in much greater detail in the book.)

“Nullification violates the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause.”

This may be the most foolish, ill-informed argument against nullification of all.  It is the reply we often hear from law school graduates and professors, who are taught only the nationalist version of American history and constitutionalism.  It is yet another reason, as a colleague of mine says, never to confuse legal training with an education.

Thus we read in a recent AP article, “The efforts are completely unconstitutional in the eyes of most legal scholars because the U.S. Constitution deems federal laws ‘the supreme law of the land.’” (Note, by the way, the reporter’s use of the unnecessary word “completely,” betraying his bias.)

What the Supremacy Clause actually says is: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof…shall be the supreme law of the land.”

In other words, the standard law-school response deletes the most significant words of the whole clause.  Thomas Jefferson was not unaware of, and did not deny, the Supremacy Clause.  His point was that only the Constitution and laws which shall be made in pursuance thereof shall be the supreme law of the land.  Citing the Supremacy Clause merely begs the question.  A nullifying state maintains that a given law is not “in pursuance thereof” and therefore that the Supremacy Clause does not apply in the first place.

Such critics are expecting us to believe that the states would have ratified a Constitution with a Supremacy Clause that said, in effect, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, plus any old laws we may choose to pass, whether constitutional or not, shall be the supreme law of the land.”

“Nullification is unconstitutional; it nowhere appears in the Constitution.”

This is an odd complaint, coming as it usually does from those who in any other circumstance do not seem especially concerned to find express constitutional sanction for particular government policies.

The mere fact that a state’s reserved right to obstruct the enforcement of an unconstitutional law is not expressly stated in the Constitution does not mean the right does not exist.  The Constitution is supposed to establish a federal government of enumerated powers, with the remainder reserved to the states or the people.  Essentially nothing the states do is authorized in the federal Constitution, since enumerating the states’ powers is not the purpose and is alien to the structure of that document.

James Madison urged that the true meaning of the Constitution was to be found in the state ratifying conventions, for it was there that the people, assembled in convention, were instructed with regard to what the new document meant.  Jefferson spoke likewise: should you wish to know the meaning of the Constitution, consult the words of its friends.

Federalist supporters of the Constitution at the Virginia ratifying convention of 1788 assured Virginians that they would be “exonerated” should the federal government attempt to impose “any supplementary condition” upon them – in other words, if it tried to exercise a power over and above the ones the states had delegated to it. Virginians were given this interpretation of the Constitution by members of the five-man commission that was to draft Virginia’s ratification instrument.  Patrick Henry, John Taylor, and later Jefferson himself elaborated on these safeguards that Virginians had been assured of at their ratifying convention.

Nullification derives from the (surely correct) “compact theory” of the Union, to which no full-fledged alternative appears to have been offered until as late as the 1830s. That compact theory, in turn, derives from and implies the following:

1) The states preceded the Union.  The Declaration of Independence speaks of “free and independent states” that “have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do.” The British acknowledged the independence not of a single blob, but of 13 states, which they proceeded to list one by one. Article II of the Articles of Confederation says the states “retain their sovereignty, freedom, and independence”; they must have enjoyed that sovereignty in the past in order for them to “retain” it in 1781 when the Articles were officially adopted.  The ratification of the Constitution was accomplished not by a single, national vote, but by the individual ratifications of the various states, each assembled in convention.

2) In the American system no government is sovereign, not the federal government and not the states.  The peoples of the states are the sovereigns.  It is they who apportion powers between themselves, their state governments, and the federal government.  In doing so they are not impairing their sovereignty in any way. To the contrary, they are exercising it.

3) Since the peoples of the states are the sovereigns, then when the federal government exercises a power of dubious constitutionality on a matter of great importance, it is they themselves who are the proper disputants, as they review whether their agent was intended to hold such a power.  No other arrangement makes sense.  No one asks his agent whether the agent has or should have such-and-such power.  In other words, the very nature of sovereignty, and of the American system itself, is such that the sovereigns must retain the power to restrain the agent they themselves created.  James Madison explains this clearly in the famous Virginia Report of 1800:

The resolution [of 1798] of the General Assembly [of Virginia] relates to those great and extraordinary cases, in which all the forms of the Constitution may prove ineffectual against infractions dangerous to the essential right of the parties to it. The resolution supposes that dangerous powers not delegated, may not only be usurped and executed by the other departments, but that the Judicial Department also may exercise or sanction dangerous powers beyond the grant of the Constitution; and consequently that the ultimate right of the parties to the Constitution, to judge whether the compact has been dangerously violated, must extend to violations by one delegated authority, as well as by another, by the judiciary, as well as by the executive, or the legislature.

“The Supreme Court declared itself infallible in 1958.”

The obscure obiter dicta of Cooper v. Aaron (1958) is sometimes raised against nullification.  Here the Supreme Court expressly declared its statements to have exactly the same status as the text of the Constitution itself.  But no matter what absurd claims the Court makes for itself, Madison’s point above holds – the very structure of the system, and the very nature of the federal Union, logically require that the principals to the compact possess a power to examine the constitutionality of federal laws.  Given that the whole argument involves who must decide such questions in the last resort, citing the Supreme Court against it begs the whole question – indeed, it should make us wonder if those who answer this way even understand the question.

“Nullification was the legal doctrine by which the Southern states defended slavery.”

This statement is as wrong as wrong can be.  Nullification was never used on behalf of slavery.  Why would it have been?  What anti-slavery laws were there that the South would have needed to nullify?

To the contrary, nullification was used against slavery, as when northern states did everything in their power to obstruct the enforcement of the fugitive-slave laws, with the Supreme Court of Wisconsin going so far as to declare the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 unconstitutional and void.  In Ableman v. Booth (1859), the U.S. Supreme Court scolded it for doing so.  In other words, modern anti-nullification jurisprudence has its roots in the Supreme Court’s declarations in support of the Fugitive Slave Act.  Who’s defending slavery here?

“Andrew Jackson denounced nullification.”

True, though Jackson was presumably not infallible.  (Had nullification really been all about slavery, then Jackson, a slaveholder himself, should have supported it.)  His proclamation concerning nullification was in fact written by his secretary of state, Edward Livingston, and that proclamation was, in turn, dismantled mercilessly – mercilessly – by Littleton Waller Tazewell.

“You must be a ‘neo-Confederate.’”

I confess I have never understood what this Orwellian agitprop term is supposed to mean, but it is surely out of place here.  Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, actually denounced nullification in his farewell address to the U.S. Senate.  South Carolina, in the document proclaiming its secession from the Union in December 1860, cited the North’s nullification of the fugitive-slave laws as one of the grievances justifying its decision.

Don’t expect critics of nullification to know any of this, and you won’t be disappointed.

One of the points of my book Nullification, in fact, is to demonstrate that the Principles of ’98 were not some obscure southern doctrine, but at one time or another were embraced by all sections of the country.  In 1820, the Ohio legislature even passed a resolution proclaiming that the Principles of ’98 had been accepted by a majority of the American people.  I do not believe there were any slaves in Ohio in 1820, or that Ohio was ever part of the Confederacy.

“James Madison spoke against the idea of nullification.”

More sophisticated opponents think they have a trump card in James Madison’s statements in 1830 to the effect that he never intended, in the Virginia Resolutions or at any other time, to suggest that a state could resist the enforcement of an unconstitutional law.  Anyone who holds that he did indeed call for such a thing has merely understood him.  He was saying only that the states had the right to get together to protest unconstitutional laws.

This claim falls flat. In 1830 Madison did indeed say such a thing, and pretended he had never meant what everyone at the time had taken him to mean.  Madison’s claim was greeted with skepticism at the time.  People rightly demanded to know: if that was all you meant, why even bother drafting such an inane and feckless resolution in the first place?  Why go to the trouble of passing solemn resolutions urging that the states had a right that absolutely no one denied?  And for heaven’s sake, when numerous states disputed your position, why in the Report of 1800 did you not only not clarify yourself, but you actually persisted in the very view you now deny and which everyone attributed to you at the time?  Madison biographer Kevin Gutzman (see James Madison and the Making of America, St. Martin’s, forthcoming 2011) dismantled this toothless interpretation of Madison’s Virginia Resolutions in “A Troublesome Legacy: James Madison and ‘The Principles of ’98,’” Journal of the Early Republic 15 (1995): 569-89.  Judge Abel Upshur likewise made quick work of this view in An Exposition of the VirginiaResolutions of 1798, excerpted in my book.

The elder Madison, in his zeal to separate nullification from Jefferson’s legacy, tried denying that Jefferson had included the dreaded word in his draft of the Kentucky Resolutions. Madison had seen the draft himself, so he either knew this statement was false or was suffering from the effects of advanced age. When a copy of the original Kentucky Resolutions in Jefferson’s own handwriting turned up, complete with the word “nullification,” Madison was forced to retreat.

In summary, then, (1) the other state legislatures understood Madison in 1798 as saying precisely what Madison later tried to deny he had said; (2) Madison did not correct this alleged misunderstanding when he had the chance to in the Report of 1800 or at any other time during those years; and (3) the text of the Virginia Resolutions clearly indicates that each state was “duty bound” to maintain its constitutional liberties within its “respective” territory, and hence Madison did indeed contemplate action by a single state (rather than by all the states jointly), as supporters and opponents alike took him to be saying at the time.

“Nullification has a ‘shameful history.’”

So we are instructed by the scholars who populate the Democratic Party of Idaho.  Was it “shameful” for Jefferson and Madison to have employed the threat of nullification against the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798?  Was it “shameful” of the northern states to have employed the Principles of ’98 against the unconstitutional searches and seizures by which the federal embargo of 1807-1809 was enforced?  Was it “shameful” for Daniel Webster, as well as the legislature of Connecticut, to have urged the states to protect their citizens from overreaching federal authority should Washington attempt military conscription during the War of 1812?   Was it “shameful” for the northern states to do everything in their power to obstruct the enforcement of the fugitive-slave laws (whose odious provisions they did not believe were automatically justified merely on account of the fugitive-slave clause)?  Was it “shameful” when the Supreme Court of Wisconsin declared the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 unconstitutional and void, citing the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 and 1799 in the process?

May I take a wild guess that no Democrat in the Idaho legislature knows any of this history?

The “shameful history” remark is surely a reference to southern resistance to the civil rights movement, in which the language of nullification was indeed employed. The implication is that Jeffersonian decentralism is forever discredited because states have behaved in ways most Americans find grotesque.  They are states, after all, so we should not be shocked when their behavior offends us.  But this is apples and oranges.  This outcome was possible only at a time when blacks had difficulty exercising voting rights, a situation that no longer obtains.  Things have changed since Birmingham 1963 in other ways as well.  The demographic trends of the past three decades make that clear enough, as blacks have moved in substantial numbers tothe South, the only section of the country where a majority of blacks polled say they are treated fairly.  It is an injustice to the people of the South, as well as an exercise in emotional hypochondria, to believe the states are on the verge of restoring segregation if only given the chance.  I mean, really.

By exactly the same reasoning, incidentally, any crime by any national government anywhere would immediately justify a world government.  Anyone living under that world government who then favored decentralization would be solemnly lectured about all the awful things that had happened under decentralism in the past.

Supporters of nullification do not hold that the federal government is bad but the state governments are infallible.  The state governments are rotten, too (which is why we may as well put them to some good use by employing them on behalf of resistance to the federal government).  We are asking under what conditions liberty is more likely to flourish: with a multiplicity of competing jurisdictions, or one giant jurisdiction?  There is a strong argument to be made that it was precisely the decentralization of power in Europe that made possible the development of liberty there.

This objection – why, an institutional structure was once put to objectionable purposes, so it may never be appealed to again – never seems to be directed against centralized government itself, particularly the megastates of the nationalistic twentieth century.  I rather doubt nullification critics would turn this argument against themselves – by saying, for instance, “Centralized governments gave us hundreds of millions of deaths, thanks to total war, genocide, and totalitarian revolutions.  In the U.S. we can point to the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Japanese and a horrendously murderous military-industrial-congressional complex, among other enormities.  Our federal government is so remote from the people that it has managed to rack up debts (including unfunded liabilities) well in excess of $100 trillion.  In light of this record, what intellectual and moral pygmy would urge nationalism or the centralized modern state as the solution to our problems?”

“Nullification would be chaotic.”

It is far more likely that states will be too timid to employ nullification.  But the more significant point is this: if the various states should have different policies, so what?  That is precisely what the United States was supposed to look like.  As usual, alleged supporters of “diversity” are the ones who most insist on national uniformity.  It says quite a bit about what people are learning in school that they are terrified at the prospect that their country might actually be organized the way Americans were originally assured it would be.  Local self-government was what the American Revolution was fought over, yet we’re told this very principle, and the defense mechanisms necessary to preserve it, are unthinkable.

Part of the reason the idea of nullification elicits such a visceral response from establishment opinion is that most people have unthinkingly absorbed the logic of the modern state, whereby a single, irresistible authority issuing infallible commands is the only way society can be organized.  Most people do not subject their unstated assumptions to close scrutiny, particularly since the more deeply embedded the assumption, the less people are aware it exists.  And it is this modern assumption, dating back to Thomas Hobbes, that – whether people realize it or not – lies at the root of nearly everyone’s political thought.  Not only is this assumption false, but (as I discuss in the book) the modern state to which it gave rise has been the most irresponsible and even lethal institution in history, racking up debts and carrying out atrocities that the decentralized polities that preceded them could scarcely have imagined.  Why it should be given the moral benefit of the doubt, to the point that all skeptics are to be viciously denounced, is unclear.

“The compact theory may apply to the first 13 states, but since all the other states were created by the federal government, we cannot describe these later states as building blocks of the Union in the same sense.”

The Idaho attorney general’s office tried making this argument against the Idaho health-care nullification bill.  Superficially plausible, the argument amounts to a gross misunderstanding of the American system.  Were the Idaho attorney general correct, American states would not be states at all but provinces.

The argument of the Idaho attorney general’s office, in fact, amounts to precisely the Old World view of the nature of the state and the people that Americans fled Europe to escape. The American position has always been that an American state is created by the people, not the federal government. Jefferson himself amplified this point in the controversy over the admission of Missouri. The people of Missouri had drafted a constitution and were applying for admission to the Union. Were they not admitted, Jefferson told them, they would be an independent state. In other words, their statehood derived from their sovereign people and its drafting of a constitution, not the approval of the federal government.

“The Civil War settled this.”

The Civil War was not fought over nullification, and as I’ve said above, at the time of the war it was the northern states that had much more recently been engaged in nullification.  The legitimacy of nullification involves a philosophical argument, and philosophical arguments are not – at least to reasonable people – decided one way or the other by violence.  No one would say, when confronted with the plight of the Plains Indians, “Didn’t the U.S. Army settle that?”  If the arguments for nullification make sense, and they do, that is what matters.  Reality is what it is.  The compact theory, from which nullification is derived, does describe U.S. history.  There is no way to evade that brute fact.

My primary intention in writing Nullification was to rescuscitate portions of American history which, having proven inconvenient to the regime in Washington, had slipped down the Orwellian memory hole.  I wanted Americans to realize that illustrious figures from their country’s past posed questions about the most desirable form of political organization – questions that today one is written out of polite society for asking.  I wanted to make a case, backed by overwhelming historical evidence, that the inhumane system whereby a single city hands down infallible dictates to 309 million people is not a fated existence.  Jefferson and others proposed an alternative, one we might wish to revisit in light of how obviously dysfunctional the present system has become.  Before this information can be put to much immediate use there is a good deal of educational groundwork to be laid.  I intended the book to be a first step along the road back to sanity.

Old-style, “small-is-beautiful” progressives would have sympathized with this view, as New Left historian William Appleman Williams did.  The commissars of approved opinion who pass as “progressives” today cannot even take the trouble to understand it.

Thomas E. Woods, Jr. [send him mail] holds a bachelor’s degree in history from Harvard and his master’s, M.Phil., and Ph.D. from Columbia University. He is the author of eleven books, including the recently-released Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century, and the New York Times bestsellers Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse, and The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. Visit his website and blog, follow him on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his YouTube Channel.

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35 comments
Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

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Tom Woods writes:
"The legitimacy of nullification involves a philosophical argument"

No, it doesn't.
It only requires the national sovereignty of the nullifying state in question.

A "nation" is a sovereign state; and the states were declared, retained, and finally recognized as "free, sovereign and independent states in 1776, 1781 and 1783 respectively. This means that they were sovereign nations-- and they never transferred this sovereignty via the Constitution: even Lincoln didn't claim that. Rather, Lincoln-- like Jackson and many others-- twisted history to claim that the states always formed a single soverign nation, to which they would be subordinate; and this is an outright LIE.

It really is that simple-- unfortunately it's been complicated by misinformation regarding history and international law, to render some absurd association in which no one knew where final authority lay, and so it was "settled by war." This of course is false: each state was a popularly sovereign nation, and thus final authority lay with its people-- nowhere else.

Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

Tom Woods writes:

"The Civil War was not fought over nullification"

Actually, it was-- since nullification, just like secession, is founded in the sovereignty in every state as a separate nation; and "The Civil War" was fought out of Lincoln's express denial of this.

Sovereignty is the supreme authority over any nation-- and no one questions this, Constitution or no constitution. The question is where national boundries lie-- and this is a matter of historical fact prior to the formation of those nations, not of brute force afterward.

Historical fact is plain, in the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783: i.e. each state was recognized as "free, sovereign and independent;" and the federal government LIED in order to deny this in 1861. Therefore we live under a murderous dictatorial empire, not a free country.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

I have no idea what I am talking about, and need to get a life outside this website.

Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

A "nation" is a sovereign state; and the states were declared, retained, and finally recognized as "free, sovereign and independent states in 1776, 1781 and 1783 respectively. This means that they were sovereign nations-- and they never transferred this sovereignty via the Constitution: even Lincoln didn't claim that. Rather, Lincoln-- like Jackson and many others-- twisted history to claim that the states always formed a single soverign nation, to which they would be subordinate; and this is an outright LIE.

It really is that simple.

Dan
Dan

This is a terrible article. All the author does is cite the arguments of his opponents, but fails to even list what they say. Instead, it is basically Tom Woods accusing everyone else of knowing nothing, and him basically ranting about how terrible every other political party is except his own. Horrible article, even worse author.

Monorprise
Monorprise

A fantastic rebuttal in all respects, if only we could distribute it better.

Perhaps we should try to get Thomas E. Woods personally give a speech to this effect to as many of our State legislators as possible?

While is book is of no doubt great value, I can't imagine anything better then a real interactive person able to answer questions and defend his position. I wonder if mister Wood would be so inclined.

Education of course is critical if we are to have any chance of winning this fight for the future of our federation.

ronnieandrush
ronnieandrush

I get what people like Woods and his supporters are saying. They are saying that the Supreme Court of the United States of America should NOT be the judicial check on laws passed by Congress. That's really what they are saying.

In essence, they want to invest all of the power of judicial review of American law to elected politicians in state governments and, in so doing, they want to toss into the garbage the very idea of judicial review by the Supreme Court.

The fact is, these people -explicitly- are seeking to undermine the judicial institution that has preserved and protected American liberty since 1789. The fact that they say they are doing so with the intent of increasing "liberty" is utter irony and, factually, utterly insane.

eve
eve

Why are people so insistent on systems of government that are outdated and ineffective. What is the difference between a supreme court judge and a politician but the title? Judges are classified by their liberalism or conservatism just like the politicians. Doesn't sound like unbiased judicial review to me.
Doesn't matter whether nullification is recognized in form, it matters if its recognized in substance. When substance regains its rightful place in society, then we can start to appreciate individual sovereignty as the pursuit of happiness reserved by the people.

Alex Hamilton
Alex Hamilton

This is historically accurate: nullification has never been upheld as a valid legal doctrine. Every time nullification has been attempted, it has gone down in flames -- as well it should, because it has no legal basis whatsover. The Virginia Resolutions did not prevent the federal government from enforcing the Sedition Act in Virginia. The efforts of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and legislature to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act did not stop the federal government from enforcing that act in Wisconsin. The nullification acts passed by segregationist southern states in the 1950s did not stop the federal government from integrating the schools in those states. The legal challenges based on nullification were rejected emphatically by the courts. In Ableman v. Booth, the Supreme Court rejected the Wisconsin effort to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act. In Cooper v. Aaron, the Supreme Court left not the slightest smidgen of doubt that nullification was not valid. We have over 200 years of constitutional law, history, and experience that prove nullification is hogwash. The law of this country is clear, and that law tells us that federal statutes and judicial decisions may not be nullified by the states. Federal law is supreme. Period. TPeople who refuse to accept that are either delusional or are more interested in selling their latest book than in accurately explaining constitutional law.

JMB
JMB

The federal governments efforts to enforce the Fugitive Slave act were soundly defeated throughout the northern States, as refusals to comply were rampant, and in my opinion perfectly legal, as thru their citizens, their juries, their local law enforcements this atrocious federal bloodhound law was either ignored, or aggressively rejected.

If you would like to explain Alex, how these actions were indeed illegal.

You have my full attention.

Alex Hamilton
Alex Hamilton

Efforts by northern states to nullify the Fugitive Slave Acts were never legally upheld. Quite the opposite. In Prigg v. Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court struck down Pennsylvania's personal liberty law. In Ableman v. Booth, the Supreme Court overruled the Wisconsin courts' effort to declare the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 unconstitutional. The states' efforts to legally nullify federal law failed. The states' efforts to declare federal laws unconstitutional failed. Federal agents continued to enforce the Fugitive Slave Acts. Yes, there was widespread resistance in the north, and the northern states often withheld their assistance in enforcing the Acts. But deliberate noncompliance is one thing, and legal nullification is another thing altogether. The states' efforts to legally nullify the Fugitive Slave Acts were an abject failure.

Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

"Efforts by northern states to nullify the Fugitive Slave Acts were never legally upheld. "

You're confusing state laws with popular sovereignty. Nullification expressly pertains to direct acts by the sovereign People of each state, to overrule federal laws.

JMB
JMB

Evidently, you do not understand the difference between withholding assistance, and successful resistance.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

Who claimed anything was legally upheld by the federal government? No one.

As far as states failing as you wrongly claim...

all you need to do is ask the south carolina convention on secession - they know far better than you.

What did THEY say? Their number 1 reason for secession - northern states acting to nullify federal slave laws.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

In fact, they were so successful - in practice, not necessarily in the federal courts - that when South Carolina seceded, this was their number 1 complaint...nullification of slave laws by the north.

SpyGuy
SpyGuy

Delusional is the very definition of your comment, Alex. State Powers and Nullification are completely embedded within the Architecture and framework of the Constitution by natural law, logic, construction, framework and the actual wording throughout the various articles and the 9th and 10th amendments. To deny that, as your comments attempt and through contorted legalism, which by their nature, usurp that architecture, framework and construction is nothing but totally absurd. Why anyone pays any attention to such filbergarb as presented by Alex is beyond the ken of rational, thinking humans.

Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

Spyguy writes:
"Alex. State Powers and Nullification are completely embedded within the Architecture and framework of the Constitution by natural law, logic, construction, framework and the actual wording throughout the various articles and the 9th and 10th amendments. "

No, they're NOT. State nullification is based solely on the state being a sovereign nation, and the Union being an international federal republic-- not a national one. And sovereign nations, as everyone knows, can nullify any international law they want as affects their domestic policy-- including seceding from international federal republics.

THAT's what nullification was all about-- not some absurd convoluted argument, about some domestic law which permits otherwise-subordinate states to defy the sovereign national authority if it disagrees strongly enough; the sovereign will is final, PERIOD.
This is just a question of where that sovereignty lies.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

so all those marijuana dispensaries in my home town of los angeles....those are all going down in flames?

interesting. you should visit some time, I will be happy to show you around and you can see hundreds of businesses as proof that federal supremacy, when enough people ignore that idiotic idea, is little more than a joke.

Alex Hamilton
Alex Hamilton

As you undoubtedly know, the state of California has not attempted to nullify federal drug laws or to declare those laws unconstitutional. There is no California statute saying "federal drug laws shall not be enforced here." Federal drug laws are in effect and are enforced in California. The toleration of medical marijuana clinics is a matter of administration policy, rather than the legal status. It's not a question of legal nullification at all. This is totally irrelevant to the question of whether the states may legally nullify federal law.

@thisgamesux
@thisgamesux

Just as a matter of record since your argument was systematically annihilated, Alexander Hamilton was a fucking cocknose who got owned in a duel.

Brian McCandliss
Brian McCandliss

In 1800, James Madison wrote that "However true, therefore, it may be, that the judicial department is, in all questions submitted to it by the forms of the Constitution, to decide in the last resort, this resort must necessarily be deemed the last in relation to the authorities of the other departments of the government; not in relation to the rights of the parties to the constitutional compact, from which the judicial, as well as the other departments, hold their delegated trusts. On any other hypothesis, the delegation of judicial power would annul the authority delegating it; and the concurrence of this department with the others in usurped powers, might subvert forever, and beyond the possible reach of any rightful remedy, the very Constitution which all were instituted to preserve."
As for the Tenth Amendment, state sovereignty was never about reserved powers under the Constitution; on the contrary, it was about the status as sovereign nations which existed BEFORE the Constitution-- and never relinquished thereby, regardless of what informationally-challenged and power-driven individuals may claim.

Alex Hamilton
Alex Hamilton

If enough people say NO to Washington, they can elect a majority and a president who will change the law. Or the people can amend the Constitution. Or they can persuade the administration to change its enforcement priorities. But that doesn't mean the states have the right to legally nullify federal law. They don't.

JoshEboch
JoshEboch

Alex,
You are truly living up to your nom de plume in your defense of centralized power. Statists always gloat that the Supreme Court has found nullification to be unconstitutional, illegal, etc, which misses the whole point. Nullification isn't about what the Supreme Court thinks or says or wants. It's about how the sovereign states choose to use their power under the Tenth Amendment to refuse obedience to laws that violate the compact between themselves and the federal government they created. By the way, who ultimately won out on the slavery issue, the Northern states, or the federal government? How much longer can the U.S. afford to fight the War on Drugs against its own citizens? My point exactly. In the end, logic wins over flawed legal precedent. You can be assured that no matter how much power the Supreme Court declares itself to possess, that will always be the ultimate outcome.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

As far as your statement:

Federal drug laws are in effect and are enforced in California.

you are either ignorant of reality, or just lying. no other option.

I live here. There are over 150 businesses in my city alone - retail marijuana stores - that prove without a doubt that those laws are not being enforced.

And no, this is not just do to administration changes of policy. When bush was supposedly enforcing the drug laws, there were over 1000 of these very businesses - in just one city.

Federal laws are on the books in congress, but they are not being enforced. and that, more than anything else, is what nullification is.

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

exactly! It does NOT matter what the courts say - they are part of the federal government. If enough people and enough states say NO to Washington D.C. - they have little choice but to back off.

As with Marijuana, as with Real ID, and as with more issues to come.

Peter
Peter

"period"? The goverment doesn't have the AUTHORITY to do most of what it's doing PERIOD! Far from gullible, read the documents yourself.... oh of course, you don't because you're supporting your own agenda, take you propaganda and go somewhere else, you distort history spew propaganda. You don't give a flat crap about the truth.

Peter
Peter

Read the the ninth amendment.

Peter
Peter

"hogwash"? It's historically accurate.

Alex Hamilton
Alex Hamilton

Nullification is hogwash. Nullification has been slapped down repeatedly over the years. There is absolutely no doubt about the law in this area. The law has been clear for many years. Federal law "can neither be nullified openly and directly by state legislators or state executive or judicial officers nor nullified indirectly by them through evasive schemes." That's the law of the United States. Period. Nullification had no basis in the law when segregationists tried it in the 1950s, and it has no basis in the law now. Thomas Woods may be doing a good job of selling books to gullible and ignorant people, but he's not doing a good job of explaining constitutional law.

kreriver
kreriver

And what "basis in the law" did the Declaration of Independence have, Alex? Would you have us believe it without effect, absent any "basis in the law?"

@Spazduck
@Spazduck

That's entirely correct. The Declaration of Indpendence is not law. If you believe that the power to govern is derived from the people, you can't believe that the Declaration of Independence, drawn by an unelected body, has any legal force. Consider it persuasive authority regarding fundamental principles, but it's not law.

Rev. Dr. Michael DD
Rev. Dr. Michael DD

Somebody please send a copy to Arizona Governor

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

Michael - pick up a copy and send it! We cannot wait for others to act, we need to act ourselves...

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