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		<title>By: The Moral Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moral Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Moral Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moral Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: angela wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how the people of Massachusetts will feel when their citizens resoundingly vote for a Democrat, but the national popular vote is in favor of the Republican candidate and therefore all of their electoral votes go to the Repub?  Even worse, when it is a tight race, and it would have been decided in favor of the Dem had they only cast their electoral votes in accordance with the will of the people?   
 
If the states who have (apparently) illegally entered into this interestate compact believe that this is a more appropriate way of conducting the vote, they should pursue an Amendment to the Constitution.  We all know why they haven&#039;t done this....because they know it will not pass. This is simply yet another attempt at circumventing and undermining the Constitution. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the people of Massachusetts will feel when their citizens resoundingly vote for a Democrat, but the national popular vote is in favor of the Republican candidate and therefore all of their electoral votes go to the Repub?  Even worse, when it is a tight race, and it would have been decided in favor of the Dem had they only cast their electoral votes in accordance with the will of the people?   </p>
<p>If the states who have (apparently) illegally entered into this interestate compact believe that this is a more appropriate way of conducting the vote, they should pursue an Amendment to the Constitution.  We all know why they haven&#039;t done this&#8230;.because they know it will not pass. This is simply yet another attempt at circumventing and undermining the Constitution. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob Greenslade</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/09/01/the-plan-to-circumvent-the-presidential-election-process/comment-page-1/#comment-336751</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Greenslade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bret-thanks for your comment. The electoral system was designed to be controlled by the State legislatures and the electors...there were no political parties like we have now.  Political parties now control both. The system, as designed, is not corrupt...political parties have corrupted the system. 
 
I do have high esteem for the system, as designed, because the Constitution established a union of States...not a nation of individuals, as comprising one nation. The electoral system is a component of our federal system of government. Because there are 51 separate democratic elections in each State and the District of Columbia the system provides certain safe guards. If the national popular vote is inserted into the system it will nullify the safe guards and unleash forces the system was designed to prevent or restrain. 
 
If the national popular vote determines the electoral vote of each State then one candidate will promise the people a piece of cake and the other candidate will counter with the promise to add a scoop of ice creme. You can see where this will end up. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret-thanks for your comment. The electoral system was designed to be controlled by the State legislatures and the electors&#8230;there were no political parties like we have now.  Political parties now control both. The system, as designed, is not corrupt&#8230;political parties have corrupted the system. </p>
<p>I do have high esteem for the system, as designed, because the Constitution established a union of States&#8230;not a nation of individuals, as comprising one nation. The electoral system is a component of our federal system of government. Because there are 51 separate democratic elections in each State and the District of Columbia the system provides certain safe guards. If the national popular vote is inserted into the system it will nullify the safe guards and unleash forces the system was designed to prevent or restrain. </p>
<p>If the national popular vote determines the electoral vote of each State then one candidate will promise the people a piece of cake and the other candidate will counter with the promise to add a scoop of ice creme. You can see where this will end up. </p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob - Thanks for the response. I really enjoyed the article, as I do almost every single article on the site. I never have liked government, because though I don&#039;t always know the truth, I know when I&#039;m being lied to. Having a constant stream of lies and illogical legislation come from the elected politicians in my lifetime had made me apathetic to the process.  
 
However, I have had an awakening of sorts, and now I am making sense of all of the ways that  our current form of government has deviated from the course set by the Founders. The electoral college was one of points of clarification that I needed, so I thank you for your excellent article.  
 
Your article, and your post seem to contradict themselves, if you don&#039;t mind me saying. The article seems to have a very high esteem for the electoral voting process, while your response to me in the comments seems to indicate that the process is thoroughly broken (like most of our government).  
 
Can you clarify where I&#039;m confused, as well as expound on where in history the process went bad? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; Thanks for the response. I really enjoyed the article, as I do almost every single article on the site. I never have liked government, because though I don&#039;t always know the truth, I know when I&#039;m being lied to. Having a constant stream of lies and illogical legislation come from the elected politicians in my lifetime had made me apathetic to the process.  </p>
<p>However, I have had an awakening of sorts, and now I am making sense of all of the ways that  our current form of government has deviated from the course set by the Founders. The electoral college was one of points of clarification that I needed, so I thank you for your excellent article.  </p>
<p>Your article, and your post seem to contradict themselves, if you don&#039;t mind me saying. The article seems to have a very high esteem for the electoral voting process, while your response to me in the comments seems to indicate that the process is thoroughly broken (like most of our government).  </p>
<p>Can you clarify where I&#039;m confused, as well as expound on where in history the process went bad? </p>
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		<title>By: Bob Greenslade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Greenslade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ When the State legislatures appointed their electors we got people like Washington and Jefferson. The votes by the electors were the nomination and election process all in one. The entire process took place when the electors met to vote in their individual State. 
 
Now political parties chose the candidates and the electors pledged to vote for them before the electors meet to cast their vote. The independent electors, as I mentioned, have been replaced by party hacks who put the party and the acquisition of political power before the country. Thus, it is very rare to see an elector vote for anyone other than their party&#039;s candidate. 
 
Political parties have perverted and seized control of the process. They hate the concept of independent electors like the ones I mentioned. So we are guaranteed the choice of death by poison or death by firing squad every 4 years. 
 
If you think it&#039;s the lesser of two evils now, just wait and see what happens if the national popular vote is infused into the system. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> When the State legislatures appointed their electors we got people like Washington and Jefferson. The votes by the electors were the nomination and election process all in one. The entire process took place when the electors met to vote in their individual State. </p>
<p>Now political parties chose the candidates and the electors pledged to vote for them before the electors meet to cast their vote. The independent electors, as I mentioned, have been replaced by party hacks who put the party and the acquisition of political power before the country. Thus, it is very rare to see an elector vote for anyone other than their party&#039;s candidate. </p>
<p>Political parties have perverted and seized control of the process. They hate the concept of independent electors like the ones I mentioned. So we are guaranteed the choice of death by poison or death by firing squad every 4 years. </p>
<p>If you think it&#039;s the lesser of two evils now, just wait and see what happens if the national popular vote is infused into the system. </p>
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		<title>By: mvymvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvymvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under National Popular Vote,  every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.   Every vote would be counted for and assist the candidate for whom it was cast - just as votes from every county are equal and important when a vote is cast in a Governor&#039;s race. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in a handful of swing states.  
 
Now 2/3rds of the states and voters are ignored -- 19 of the 22 smallest and medium-small states and big states like California, Georgia, New York, and Texas.  The current winner-take-all rule (i.e., awarding all of a state&#8217;s electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in each state) used by 48 of the 50 states, and not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution, ensures that the candidates do not reach out to all of the states and their voters. Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind.   Policies important to the citizens of &#8216;flyover&#8217; states are not as highly prioritized as policies important to &#8216;battleground&#8217; states when it comes to governing. 
 
In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state&#039;s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).  Support for a national popular vote is strong in virtually every state, partisan, and demographic group surveyed in recent polls in closely divided battleground states: Colorado-- 68%, Iowa --75%, Michigan-- 73%, Missouri-- 70%, New Hampshire-- 69%, Nevada-- 72%, New Mexico-- 76%, North Carolina-- 74%, Ohio-- 70%, Pennsylvania -- 78%, Virginia -- 74%, and Wisconsin -- 71%; in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): Alaska -- 70%, DC -- 76%, Delaware --75%, Maine -- 77%, Nebraska -- 74%, New Hampshire --69%, Nevada -- 72%, New Mexico -- 76%, Rhode Island -- 74%, and Vermont -- 75%;  in Southern and border states: Arkansas --80%, Kentucky -- 80%, Mississippi --77%, Missouri -- 70%, North Carolina -- 74%, and Virginia -- 74%; and in other states polled: California -- 70%, Connecticut -- 74% , Massachusetts -- 73%, Minnesota -- 75%, New York -- 79%, Washington -- 77%, and West Virginia- 81%.   
 
Most voters don&#039;t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state . . . they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was counted and mattered to their candidate.  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.NationalPopularVote.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.NationalPopularVote.com&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under National Popular Vote,  every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.   Every vote would be counted for and assist the candidate for whom it was cast &#8211; just as votes from every county are equal and important when a vote is cast in a Governor&#039;s race. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in a handful of swing states.  </p>
<p>Now 2/3rds of the states and voters are ignored &#8212; 19 of the 22 smallest and medium-small states and big states like California, Georgia, New York, and Texas.  The current winner-take-all rule (i.e., awarding all of a state&rsquo;s electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in each state) used by 48 of the 50 states, and not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution, ensures that the candidates do not reach out to all of the states and their voters. Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind.   Policies important to the citizens of &lsquo;flyover&rsquo; states are not as highly prioritized as policies important to &lsquo;battleground&rsquo; states when it comes to governing. </p>
<p>In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state&#039;s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).  Support for a national popular vote is strong in virtually every state, partisan, and demographic group surveyed in recent polls in closely divided battleground states: Colorado&#8211; 68%, Iowa &#8211;75%, Michigan&#8211; 73%, Missouri&#8211; 70%, New Hampshire&#8211; 69%, Nevada&#8211; 72%, New Mexico&#8211; 76%, North Carolina&#8211; 74%, Ohio&#8211; 70%, Pennsylvania &#8212; 78%, Virginia &#8212; 74%, and Wisconsin &#8212; 71%; in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): Alaska &#8212; 70%, DC &#8212; 76%, Delaware &#8211;75%, Maine &#8212; 77%, Nebraska &#8212; 74%, New Hampshire &#8211;69%, Nevada &#8212; 72%, New Mexico &#8212; 76%, Rhode Island &#8212; 74%, and Vermont &#8212; 75%;  in Southern and border states: Arkansas &#8211;80%, Kentucky &#8212; 80%, Mississippi &#8211;77%, Missouri &#8212; 70%, North Carolina &#8212; 74%, and Virginia &#8212; 74%; and in other states polled: California &#8212; 70%, Connecticut &#8212; 74% , Massachusetts &#8212; 73%, Minnesota &#8212; 75%, New York &#8212; 79%, Washington &#8212; 77%, and West Virginia- 81%.   </p>
<p>Most voters don&#039;t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state . . . they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was counted and mattered to their candidate.<br />
  <a href="http://www.NationalPopularVote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NationalPopularVote.com</a> </p>
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		<title>By: mvymvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvymvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current system does not provide some kind of check on the &quot;mobs.&quot; There have been 22,000 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 10 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector&#039;s own political party.  The electors are dedicated party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges. Faithless electors are not a practical problem, and most states have complete authority to remedy any problem there could be, by means of state law. 
 
If a Democratic presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state&#039;s dedicated Democratic party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. If a Republican presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state&#039;s dedicated Republican party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. The winner of the presidential election is the candidate who collects 270 votes from Electoral College voters from among the winning party&#039;s dedicated activists. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current system does not provide some kind of check on the &quot;mobs.&quot; There have been 22,000 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 10 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector&#039;s own political party.  The electors are dedicated party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges. Faithless electors are not a practical problem, and most states have complete authority to remedy any problem there could be, by means of state law. </p>
<p>If a Democratic presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state&#039;s dedicated Democratic party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. If a Republican presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state&#039;s dedicated Republican party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting block. The winner of the presidential election is the candidate who collects 270 votes from Electoral College voters from among the winning party&#039;s dedicated activists. </p>
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		<title>By: TextualistDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>TextualistDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the interesting article! 
 
Besides the helpful warning about the popular vote project, this article makes the very important point that the US Constitution was clearly drafted with the idea that the states were in control and the central government was created as a compact of the states and is thus subservient to the states.  Since the states are created by the people, this points out yet again the correct pecking order for our system: 
1) People create  
2) State governments which create 
3) Federal government. 
  If this were understood and followed today, the state government rather than the federal would be the more powerful governmental force and he would have greater control over his life.  Sadly, today, it&#039;s the other way. 
  FWIW, I&#039;d like to see the 17th amendment repealed and it seems clear the US Constitution contemplates the states can set up their presidential elector system however they want, possibly subject to the 14th amendment and, of course, subject to the state&#039;s constitution. 
  Many people don&#039;t want to admit it because it doesn&#039;t sound PC today but, the truth is that the Founding Fathers intentionally avoided creating a democracy because they feared, correctly in my opinion, government by the masses.  (The comedian Jay Leno has proven the wisdom of the Founders&#039; concern in his &#039;Jay Walking&#039; segment.)  Sadly, the means the Founders used to separate the &quot;wheat from the chaff&quot; were not enlightened by today&#039;s standards. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting article! </p>
<p>Besides the helpful warning about the popular vote project, this article makes the very important point that the US Constitution was clearly drafted with the idea that the states were in control and the central government was created as a compact of the states and is thus subservient to the states.  Since the states are created by the people, this points out yet again the correct pecking order for our system:<br />
1) People create<br />
2) State governments which create<br />
3) Federal government.<br />
  If this were understood and followed today, the state government rather than the federal would be the more powerful governmental force and he would have greater control over his life.  Sadly, today, it&#039;s the other way.<br />
  FWIW, I&#039;d like to see the 17th amendment repealed and it seems clear the US Constitution contemplates the states can set up their presidential elector system however they want, possibly subject to the 14th amendment and, of course, subject to the state&#039;s constitution.<br />
  Many people don&#039;t want to admit it because it doesn&#039;t sound PC today but, the truth is that the Founding Fathers intentionally avoided creating a democracy because they feared, correctly in my opinion, government by the masses.  (The comedian Jay Leno has proven the wisdom of the Founders&#039; concern in his &#039;Jay Walking&#039; segment.)  Sadly, the means the Founders used to separate the &quot;wheat from the chaff&quot; were not enlightened by today&#039;s standards. </p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Referring back to the statement made early in the article that reads, &quot; The electors were to be men of superior discernment, virtue and information who would select the president and vice president according to their own will and without reference to the immediate wishes of the people.  Their only obligation was to select, in their judgment, the most qualified candidates.&quot; 
 
I can&#039;t help but ask, &quot;Then why have we always had such loathsome candidates coming from both parties?&quot; &quot;Why are we always faced with the choice of voting for &#039;the lesser of two evils&#039;?&quot; 
 
We need a follow up to this article that addresses that issue in some detail, and fills in that crucial gap. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring back to the statement made early in the article that reads, &quot; The electors were to be men of superior discernment, virtue and information who would select the president and vice president according to their own will and without reference to the immediate wishes of the people.  Their only obligation was to select, in their judgment, the most qualified candidates.&quot; </p>
<p>I can&#039;t help but ask, &quot;Then why have we always had such loathsome candidates coming from both parties?&quot; &quot;Why are we always faced with the choice of voting for &#039;the lesser of two evils&#039;?&quot; </p>
<p>We need a follow up to this article that addresses that issue in some detail, and fills in that crucial gap. </p>
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