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By: pnoque

pnoque — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:39:45 +0000

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By: Monorprise

Monorprise — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:04:17 +0000

Dale surely you must recognize that, it is essence for any correction of this injustice by any means including simple amendment, or nullification, as well as the radical last ditch option of secession requires that the people understand the nature of our system.

we are just beginning to spread that understanding among our people, and thus beginning to open the door to all of theses measures.

We should continue to spread that knowledge so that we can first try these less extreme measures short of secession to right theses wrong before we are forced upon the final option.

having a federal government is in general a good thing as it permits interstate competition, so long as it remains limited with in its finite rolls and doesn't itself become a serous player. Secession robs us of that interstate competition and thus predisposes our states individually towards the same problem over the long run.

It is only an acceptable option if the central government has already become an oppressive player and cannot be fixed by other means. Even that being said, we should be looking at forming a new federation after secession for the same reason. We need that interstate competition to keep our states themselves honest over the long run. Ultimately that’s what the 10th amendment and so on is all about restoring the needed interstate competition.

You are right that we have been at this for quite some time, but never before have we had so many of the new tools opened to us as we are now beginning to get as a direct result of the general enlightenment of our people.

We have surely found a path towards victory in this cause, but that path does not necessarily require secession as we now do have a great deal new options which we have not previously been able to try. I suspect our options will grow even broader as we enlighten even more of our people to the nature of liberty and our constitutional system.

So let us get the lay of the land and uses that land to our best advantage, before we venture into the tretrous waters of secession.

We are growing in strength and tools, let us uses that ever growing strength and tools to try and fix this union, as we agree that is by far the most ideal of all options.

Because of the doors and tools that have been previously closed to us, we are now at the beginning of this road of restoration not the end.

By: DaleCaruso

DaleCaruso — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:27:09 +0000

Monoprise – it would be a wonderful thought … but, we are well past any "tipping point " … what has most fascinated me is that it isn't any one factor … and it is this multiplicity of factors and it is the myopic way we approach things that are only serving to exacerbate the dilemma. Even the notion of "secession" is fast becoming an "argument" or "discussion" that I am fast tiring of. If states feel the the central or federal confederation of governments (or club as I am beginning to prefer) then darn it … pull out. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT … and really that obligation to your citizens. I am failing to see the logic in any counter argument that the participants are some how obliged to remain in this contractual agreement until one and all go down in flames. Any terms of "contract" or "constitutional" that prohibits them from doing so would also imply that the contract or constitution was so iron clad as to obligate those who are joined in it to adhere to its tenants. To argue that would be to ignore that the central or federal government has consistently adhered to it as well. They haven't – and haven't for DECADES and DECADES – I always thought a contract was a contract and if you violated the terms of such a contract, the contract would become void. There was reason for this agreement or constitution and I doubt that the reason was that its terms be used or ignored at the convince of those involved. It either is or isn't.
I really think it is near past time necessary for individual state that are participants in this contract we term the constitution to decide (not debate, it is time to close the dialog – we are talking it to death) whether they think that there is even a valid and binding agreement. If their choice is that it is in valid, then pull out – if you think you are somehow still obligated to participate in this union forever .. then live with that choice as well.