Nancy, Are You Serious?

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by Jake Towne

Recently, the U.S. Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, responding to a reporter’s question of whether the Constitution gave Congress the authority to enact individual health insurance mandate, kept repeating, “Are you serious?”

Now, let’s give Speaker Pelosi the benefit of the doubt and attribute her impolite reply to simple disbelief. In fact, from her point of view her authority is unchallenged per a September press release, and many others such as Politico’s Erwin Chemerinsky and even the contemporary Supreme Court agree. From her press release, Pelosi states:

“The Constitution gives Congress broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production. Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited.

The Speaker is certainly correct that federal Congress has certainly legislated on “many aspects of American life.”  In fact, there is a lot more at stake with the Commerce Clause than “just” our health care — the entire authority for economic central planning rests on this single clause. I strongly disagree with Pelosi that the Constitution allows Congress broad power in this respect. First, the exact language from my job description in Powers of Congress, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:

The Congress shall have Power… to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”

Pelosi believes that she has the power to “regulate Commerce… among the several States” and I suggest that in blunt language she instead literally means to “control the economy… of the States.”  Pelosi and her ilk accomplish this by confusing the modern meanings with the legal meaning and contemporary context of the founders.

Regulation, in today’s dictionaries, means “a governmental order having the force of law.” However, this is not the historical definition.  The founders believed “regulate” to literally mean ‘to make more regular’ or, per Black’s Law Dictionary at the time, “a rule or order prescribed for management or government; a regulating principle; a precept.” In other words, regulate meant that Congress should in principle assist with Commerce disputes between the States, but did not grant Congress the power of law to inflict criminal penalties. This is most clearly seen in Article 2 of the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 written by Thomas Jefferson.

Next, although the Federalist Papers are not legal documents, they do serve as public demonstrations of the founders’ intentions as they were part of a series of essays published to explain the Constitution to the public before its’ ratification. James Madison in Federalist #42 wrote:

“The defect[s] of power in the existing Confederacy to regulate the commerce between its several members… [has] been clearly pointed out by experience… It may be added that without this supplemental provision, the great and essential power of regulating foreign commerce would have been incomplete and ineffectual. A very material object of this power was the relief of the States which import and export through other States, from the improper contributions levied on them by the latter. Were these at liberty to regulate the trade between State and State, it must be foreseen that ways would be found out to load the articles of import and export, during the passage through their jurisdiction, with duties which would fall on the makers of the latter and the consumers of the former. We may be assured by past experience, that such a practice would be introduced by future contrivances; and both by that and a common knowledge of human affairs, that it would nourish unceasing animosities, and not improbably terminate in serious interruptions of the public tranquillity… it would stimulate the injured party, by resentment as well as interest, to resort to less convenient channels for their foreign trade… The necessity of a superintending authority over the reciprocal trade of confederated States, has been illustrated by other examples as well as our own. In Switzerland, where the Union is so very slight, each canton is obliged to allow to merchandises a passage through its jurisdiction into other cantons, without an augmentation of the tolls.”

A modern example of “unregulated” Commerce by the founder’s meaning would be manufacturing companies in the interior of India, which has 28 states. As goods move by rail or truck from interior states to a seaport in a coastal state, each state assesses its own tariff at its border which rightly leads to “animosities” and a “less convenient channel” for foreign trade. But what did the founders mean by ‘Commerce’?

Within the last century, several American lawyers have claimed the founder’s definition of commerce was “all gainful activities” or “all human interactions.” This has been taken by the leviathan federal Government as authority to control not just health care, but the minimum wage, manufacturing, agriculture, the mining, oil and lumber industries, possession of firearms, land use, criminal law such as federal drug laws, and environmental protection, in most cases usurping states’ rights per the 10th Amendment and in some cases even inventing jurisdictions.

Fortunately, Dr. Robert Natelson wrote a well-documented paper “The Legal Meaning of ‘Commerce’ in the Commerce Clause” in 1996. After examining thousands of instances of ‘Commerce’ used in contemporary legal documents, Natelson concluded that commerce simply and exclusively meant “exchange” or “traffic” and its associated activities, such as navigation, to the founders. In simple English, commerce benefits agriculture or manufacturing, but does not include either agriculture or manufacturing. Furthermore, Natelson notes:

If we read “Commerce among the several States” to mean “all gainful economic activity among the several States,” then the clauses by which Congress is empowered to regulate commerce with “foreign Nations” and the “Indian Tribes” become either largely redundant or nonsensical. Even more seriously, if the Commerce Clause grants Congress power to regulate all economic activities, then some of Congress’ other economic powers become surplus.

So, if the Commerce Clause gave Congress economic central planning authority, many of the powers listed in the Constitutionwould be redundant. The powers of Congress over postal roads and offices, dockyards, intellectual property, and more would be repetitive if the power was already enumerated in the Commerce Clause. During the Federalist Papers debate, one would have expected the Commerce Clause to have been hotly debated by the anti-Federalists if it had been truly intended to give unlimited power over all gainful economic activities to the federal government. Federalist #42 would not have been able to dodge such a huge stripping of power from the States. What do we hear from the historical record? Silence, which indicates that this was a non-issue.

Natelson goes into a lot more detail than I have, and it is much easier to shred the other constitutional references given to support government infringement into health care.  Please read my Health Care plank which also links to the Constitution of the USSR (which DOES authorize government involvement in health care) and this great discussion on the “General Welfare” clause.

The “Necessary and Proper” clause is briefly dismissed by the referenced Natelson paper, but more strongly in his other papers. In short, Pelosi and the rest of Congress simply MUST have a constitutional amendment passed before legislating on health care. Their actions in Congress are highly illegal, and is one of many unconstitutional and illegal acts committed against the American people by Congress.  Since no help can be expected from the appointed-for-life Supreme Court, the last defense, really the only defense, is that of We the People ourselves.

So in formal reply to Speaker Pelosi, even the notion of federal government authority over the health care of the American people is completely absurd. My reply is: “Madame Speaker, are YOU serious?”

Jake Towne, “The Champion of the Constitution,” is running for U.S. Congress in Pennsylvania’s 15th District in the 2010 election as a citizen unaffiliated with any political parties.  Jake is a columnist at NolanChart, and also contributes to LibertyMaven and CampaignForLiberty.

In private life, Rob Natelson is a long-time conservative/free market activist, but professionally he is a constitutional scholar whose meticulous studies of the Constitution's original meaning have been published or cited by many top law journals. (See: www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson.htm.) Most recently, he co-authored The Origins of the Necessary and Proper Clause (Cambridge University Press) and The Original Constitution (Tenth Amendment Center). After a quarter of a century as Professor of Law at the University of Montana, he recently retired to work full time at Colorado's Independence Institute.

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"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" -- Samuel Adams

Pelosi has not only betrayed her oath of office but she has committed election fraud. I believe the states need to unite in nullification of any Federal mandates that conflict with their state constitutions. A powerfully large civil disobedience, mutiny, rather than civil war. But I don't see that gathering steam fast enough. Keeping your powder dry is a wise, responsible action. In the meantime, I also belong to a group who has united to directly prosecute both Obama and Pelosi. Go here if you're interested in getting involved. http://prosecuteobama.org/
I also belong to the Washington State Sovereignty organization who will be marching on our state capitol in January. We can make a difference and I truly believe it will be from putting pressure on our state officials to stand up and say no to federal mandates the state cannot afford. Stop the flow of money for unconstitutional bills and tell them where they can stuff their mandates. Our group successfully stopped new state tax referendums from even getting to the ballot with the help of our state representative. Get out there and raise hell patriots!!

"A powerfully large civil disobedience, mutiny, rather than civil war."

Bravo! Resorting to violence is just what the thugs in D.C. would like best. Then they can use any means they want to stop opposition. Peaceful, yet strong and principled, opposition to leviathan is a must to promote liberty and the Constitution

True Michael Boldin, thou I can't help but wonder, if one day they will push their need for power to the point where there can be no other option but "violent" defense of our rights against their violent assault of the same.

On that day, thou god forbid it should ever come, if its not too late, should we not be thinking of how we might be prepared to win that war, as so that we can begin to position ourselves in such a position of necessary strength as to deter it from ever come to that?

I dont know I just got a gut feeling people like Pelosi, dont care what they have to do as long as they get the power to impose their way upon us. Meaning their not above using violent force against us and our states to rule with might rather then law, as their right.

Great article, Mr. Towne. That socialistic, tired old, female dog from CA has GOT to GO!!!!

And, YES, Ms. Pelosi, CNSNews.com Reporter Matt Cover and the other 50+ million or so of us Constitutionalists are serious too! Your fifteen minutes of shame were up 15 yrs ago. I really hope any future challengers running in CD 8 against you kick your butt.

Amanda I would agree, as "civil war" is generally defined as "a war between factions in the same country" -
But I do maintain that secession may well be, at this point, the only viable alternative to total ciaos or collapse - secession or withdrawal - "formal separation from an alliance or federation/"
We, in my opinion, have ceased to be a "republic" - and have become over the decades an oligarchy "a political system governed by a few people" - or "a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society.

Agree with great regret. I hope we can fix this with mesures short of secession, so that secession will not in the end be necessary.

Monoprise - it would be a wonderful thought ... but, we are well past any "tipping point " ... what has most fascinated me is that it isn't any one factor ... and it is this multiplicity of factors and it is the myopic way we approach things that are only serving to exacerbate the dilemma. Even the notion of "secession" is fast becoming an "argument" or "discussion" that I am fast tiring of. If states feel the the central or federal confederation of governments (or club as I am beginning to prefer) then darn it ... pull out. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT ... and really that obligation to your citizens. I am failing to see the logic in any counter argument that the participants are some how obliged to remain in this contractual agreement until one and all go down in flames. Any terms of "contract" or "constitutional" that prohibits them from doing so would also imply that the contract or constitution was so iron clad as to obligate those who are joined in it to adhere to its tenants. To argue that would be to ignore that the central or federal government has consistently adhered to it as well. They haven't - and haven't for DECADES and DECADES - I always thought a contract was a contract and if you violated the terms of such a contract, the contract would become void. There was reason for this agreement or constitution and I doubt that the reason was that its terms be used or ignored at the convince of those involved. It either is or isn't.
I really think it is near past time necessary for individual state that are participants in this contract we term the constitution to decide (not debate, it is time to close the dialog - we are talking it to death) whether they think that there is even a valid and binding agreement. If their choice is that it is in valid, then pull out - if you think you are somehow still obligated to participate in this union forever .. then live with that choice as well.

Dale surely you must recognize that, it is essence for any correction of this injustice by any means including simple amendment, or nullification, as well as the radical last ditch option of secession requires that the people understand the nature of our system.

we are just beginning to spread that understanding among our people, and thus beginning to open the door to all of theses measures.

We should continue to spread that knowledge so that we can first try these less extreme measures short of secession to right theses wrong before we are forced upon the final option.

having a federal government is in general a good thing as it permits interstate competition, so long as it remains limited with in its finite rolls and doesn't itself become a serous player. Secession robs us of that interstate competition and thus predisposes our states individually towards the same problem over the long run.

It is only an acceptable option if the central government has already become an oppressive player and cannot be fixed by other means. Even that being said, we should be looking at forming a new federation after secession for the same reason. We need that interstate competition to keep our states themselves honest over the long run. Ultimately that’s what the 10th amendment and so on is all about restoring the needed interstate competition.

You are right that we have been at this for quite some time, but never before have we had so many of the new tools opened to us as we are now beginning to get as a direct result of the general enlightenment of our people.

We have surely found a path towards victory in this cause, but that path does not necessarily require secession as we now do have a great deal new options which we have not previously been able to try. I suspect our options will grow even broader as we enlighten even more of our people to the nature of liberty and our constitutional system.

So let us get the lay of the land and uses that land to our best advantage, before we venture into the tretrous waters of secession.

We are growing in strength and tools, let us uses that ever growing strength and tools to try and fix this union, as we agree that is by far the most ideal of all options.

Because of the doors and tools that have been previously closed to us, we are now at the beginning of this road of restoration not the end.

I don't see a civil war---I do see serious persuasion of our representatives in congress by threatening nullification.

When faced with health care, or power---congress will ultimately choose power. That's the nature of the beast...it's why slavery didn't end in the first congress---because those in favor of abolition were too fearful of their constituents---namely Virginians, Madison--Jefferson and Adams...they ALL supported abolition, but considered the issue being brought before congress a serious threat to the union--as well as their seats in Congress ;)

Dale,

Secession is, as I see it, imminent. Which basically means that, as I see it, we will definitely fight another violent civil war in this country ... in the not too distant future -- one that will make our former civil war look like child's play by comparison. I say this with a very heavy heart. And if I eat my words and this Republic is saved by any means short of secession and civil war, then I will have it with a helping of whatever the other side of the equation should like. Humility and adversity ain't the evils that moderns should like them to be.

Pelosi's magic glasses also ignore the 14th amendment. She actually believes, children born in the US, to non-citizen parents, are themselves US citizens. Birthright citizenship is a myth!

As proposed, individual mandates to carry health insurance and other aspects of national health care reform are unconstitutional. Since Article I, Section 8 does not authorize Congress to implement a health insurance mandate or universal health care plan; Congress should be talking about a constitutional amendment under Article V. To read more about the individual mandate, health insurance and their relationship to the United States Constitution, I have itemized and linked all recent articles on the subject at:
http://healthcarereform.homestead.com.

Sorry if this has already been posted, but here's another interesting reference concerning Congress's power, or lack thereof, to regulate public healthcare.

"Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress." --Linder v. United States, 1925. http://supreme.justia.com/us/268/5/case.html

Pelosi ignores her oath to defend the Constitution, essentially using magic glasses to find public healthcare in the Commerce clause. But based on notes about the Commerce clause by a constitutional expert, the USSC was wrong to blur the distinction between intrastate and interstate commerce when it examined related cases.

"For the power given to Congress by the Constitution does not extend to the internal regulation of the commerce of a State, (that is to say of the commerce between citizen and citizen,) which remain exclusively with its own legislature; but to its external commerce only, that is to say, its commerce with another State, or with foreign nations, or with the Indian tribes." --Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bank-tj.as...

Note that Jefferson is not referenced in either Wickard v. Filburn or US v. Wrightwood Dairy Co., pivotal cases where FDR's pro-big federal government, outcome-driven justices perverted the Commerce clause. Also, state sovereignty is treated as a mere rumor in Wickard v. Filburn, and not mentioned at all in US v. Wrightwood.

The bottom line is that, where constitutionally unauthorized federal healthcare is concerned, the corrupt, Democratic-controlled Congress is wrongly ignoring the following. Congress is ignoring its Article V requirement to request new powers from the states, the power to regulate healthcare in this example.

The Constitution was a nice experiment, but it failed. Tyranny has returned.

There is another way: http://mises.org/rothbard/newlibertywhole.asp

The Constitution is not a failure. We failed it, not the other way around.

But the story isn't over yet either. We will put it back up in its place.

Jake, a fantastic overview of some difficult constitutional principles - glad you're out there speaking out on these issues!

Thanks Michael for publishing this, I am doing my best though I am still figuring out this politics stuff.

One comment on the above is that its pretty insane when you realize that our health care packages are "heavily regulated" in that there is no portability over state lines - like that India example I used.

Keep telling the truth Jake - we're behind you!!

@Jake - your statement is based on an absurd assumption...that the Constitution would somehow enforce itself. Obviously paper can't do anything on its own.

The ideas and the principles are sound - decentralize, keep important issues close to home, etc.

It's going to take a revolution in thought for people in large numbers to change their opinion that a massive, far-off bureaucracy in DC isn't there to "fix" everything (even though it really can't)

FYI - For a New Liberty is a fantastic book - I strongly recommend it!

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