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	<title>Comments on: Michigan Senate Affirms Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are the next steps to nullify or stop economy busting  Federal laws such as National Health Care and Regulatory Mandates (ie EPA&#039;s action to regulate CO2). Can individuals and businesses in Michigan simply ignore these unfunded or underfunded Federal actions? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the next steps to nullify or stop economy busting  Federal laws such as National Health Care and Regulatory Mandates (ie EPA&#39;s action to regulate CO2). Can individuals and businesses in Michigan simply ignore these unfunded or underfunded Federal actions? </p>
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		<title>By: B. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While state sovereignty resolutions are a step in the right direction, please consider the following.  The state legislatures really need to get together and repeal the anti-state sovereignty 17th Amendment so that state legislatures have sole control over the federal senate again as the Founders had intented.  Then once the senate is working for the states again, the senate can block constitutionally unauthorized federal tax and spending bills on behalf of the state governments, starving the corrupt federal government of its illegal taxes.

In the meanwhile, I simply can&#039;t get excited about sentimentally-motivated state sovereignty resolutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While state sovereignty resolutions are a step in the right direction, please consider the following.  The state legislatures really need to get together and repeal the anti-state sovereignty 17th Amendment so that state legislatures have sole control over the federal senate again as the Founders had intented.  Then once the senate is working for the states again, the senate can block constitutionally unauthorized federal tax and spending bills on behalf of the state governments, starving the corrupt federal government of its illegal taxes.</p>
<p>In the meanwhile, I simply can&#8217;t get excited about sentimentally-motivated state sovereignty resolutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary, while I agree that the 17th should be repealed, I disagree that this is the first step.  In fact, I think it&#039;s the last!

the only way to repeal an amendment is to have a large national consensus.  In other words, a big majority of people and state legislatures have to be in support of the constitution and state sovereignty before that ever happens.

The only way to get that national consensus, especially in these times of extreme nationalism, is to show how decentralization actually works...and the sky won&#039;t fall with it either!

How is that done?  Each state, on its own, reasserting its own sovereignty with or without federal &quot;permission&quot;  As the movement grows, people will learn about it, and understand ...and see...how it actually works.  Once consensus is built, then it would make sense to drive for a national effort to repeal the 17th.

Top-down solutions - which is what you seem to oppose - cannot be resisted through a top-down solution.  Start from the bottom, work in your own state to nullify unconstitutional federal laws, and move up from there as you are successful.

That&#039;s what the founders recommended for a federal government that doesn&#039;t obey the constitution.  Altering the constitution was a last resort - AFTER that state-level solution was given ample time and effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, while I agree that the 17th should be repealed, I disagree that this is the first step.  In fact, I think it&#8217;s the last!</p>
<p>the only way to repeal an amendment is to have a large national consensus.  In other words, a big majority of people and state legislatures have to be in support of the constitution and state sovereignty before that ever happens.</p>
<p>The only way to get that national consensus, especially in these times of extreme nationalism, is to show how decentralization actually works&#8230;and the sky won&#8217;t fall with it either!</p>
<p>How is that done?  Each state, on its own, reasserting its own sovereignty with or without federal &#8220;permission&#8221;  As the movement grows, people will learn about it, and understand &#8230;and see&#8230;how it actually works.  Once consensus is built, then it would make sense to drive for a national effort to repeal the 17th.</p>
<p>Top-down solutions &#8211; which is what you seem to oppose &#8211; cannot be resisted through a top-down solution.  Start from the bottom, work in your own state to nullify unconstitutional federal laws, and move up from there as you are successful.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the founders recommended for a federal government that doesn&#8217;t obey the constitution.  Altering the constitution was a last resort &#8211; AFTER that state-level solution was given ample time and effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/17/michigan-senate-affirms-sovereignty-under-the-10th-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-284360</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first step in re-asserting sovereignty should be to repeal the amendment which changed the way Senators are chosen. As is, the states have no voice in Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first step in re-asserting sovereignty should be to repeal the amendment which changed the way Senators are chosen. As is, the states have no voice in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Randolph</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/17/michigan-senate-affirms-sovereignty-under-the-10th-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-284160</link>
		<dc:creator>John C. Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, will MIchigan go beyond making this symbolic gesture, and refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal mandates, and also refuse to take federal funds for unconstitutional purposes?

-jcr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, will MIchigan go beyond making this symbolic gesture, and refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal mandates, and also refuse to take federal funds for unconstitutional purposes?</p>
<p>-jcr</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem, Jeff.  Glad you took a few minutes to engage and ask these important questions.  Your perspective is certainly appreciated!  I really believe it&#039;s going to be a tough road in Michigan, but at least it&#039;s good to know that there are SOME legislators in that state willing to try to do something...

If you contact your state reps, please keep us informed here of who is standing on the side of the constitution and who is not. It&#039;s essential for us to get feedback from people &quot;on the ground.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, Jeff.  Glad you took a few minutes to engage and ask these important questions.  Your perspective is certainly appreciated!  I really believe it&#8217;s going to be a tough road in Michigan, but at least it&#8217;s good to know that there are SOME legislators in that state willing to try to do something&#8230;</p>
<p>If you contact your state reps, please keep us informed here of who is standing on the side of the constitution and who is not. It&#8217;s essential for us to get feedback from people &#8220;on the ground.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Opps.... strike my first paragraph. the links where manged in my e-mail copy. Thanks for the references.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps&#8230;. strike my first paragraph. the links where manged in my e-mail copy. Thanks for the references.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff King</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/17/michigan-senate-affirms-sovereignty-under-the-10th-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-283433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael:

I was asking about Michigan, not other states. So you are not aware of any Michigan Legislators that will be opting out of nationalized health care or nullifying guns laws. Too bad, I would be in support of them (I am in Michigan).

What is missing, directly related to your landlord/tenant comparison, is the &quot;or else&quot; from this resolution. 

Anyways, I don&#039;t want to rain on the parade here as (I hope) it&#039;s a start.  What is the next step in Michigan and how can we help?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:</p>
<p>I was asking about Michigan, not other states. So you are not aware of any Michigan Legislators that will be opting out of nationalized health care or nullifying guns laws. Too bad, I would be in support of them (I am in Michigan).</p>
<p>What is missing, directly related to your landlord/tenant comparison, is the &#8220;or else&#8221; from this resolution. </p>
<p>Anyways, I don&#8217;t want to rain on the parade here as (I hope) it&#8217;s a start.  What is the next step in Michigan and how can we help?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff - I wish you were right that no notice was needed!

But in practice, the 10th has been dead a long, long time.  Since most people don&#039;t even understand how the constitutional system is supposed to work, I see this as not just an important first step, but an absolutely essential one.

Non-binding resolutions have had the effect of bringing this issue to the public sphere.  I can&#039;t even count the number of interviews I&#039;ve done with the media in the last few months on this issue.  And, we see more and more &lt;a href=&quot;http://grassroots.tenthamendmentcenter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;activists groups learning about it - and starting to understand how the constitution works....and demanding action&lt;/a&gt;.

As far as &quot;documentation attesting...&quot; - I recommend that you continue reading this website more often.  So far, 2 states have passed laws nullifying some federal gun laws, upwards of 15 will be considering state constitutional amendments to allow people to effectively ban national health care, 13 states now have laws that nullify some federal drugs laws with state marijuana laws, and there&#039;s much more than that, too.

In fact, the Michigan state legislature in 2010 will not only be &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/health-care-nullification-in-michigan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;considering a state constitutional amendment to nullify national health care&lt;/a&gt;, but is also one of the many states working towards &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/12/will-michigan-nullify-federal-gun-laws/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nullification of federal gun laws&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s going to be a tough road, but there certainly are efforts in that state!

The reality is, Jeff, if you &quot;see no notice...&quot; then you&#039;re missing what&#039;s happening all over the country.  But it&#039;s understandable, the mainstream media barely covers it.  Then again, read about a number of news reports on this issue &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/in-the-news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope you&#039;ll come back regularly to learn more about this growing 10th Amendment movement!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; I wish you were right that no notice was needed!</p>
<p>But in practice, the 10th has been dead a long, long time.  Since most people don&#8217;t even understand how the constitutional system is supposed to work, I see this as not just an important first step, but an absolutely essential one.</p>
<p>Non-binding resolutions have had the effect of bringing this issue to the public sphere.  I can&#8217;t even count the number of interviews I&#8217;ve done with the media in the last few months on this issue.  And, we see more and more <a href="http://grassroots.tenthamendmentcenter.com" rel="nofollow">activists groups learning about it &#8211; and starting to understand how the constitution works&#8230;.and demanding action</a>.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;documentation attesting&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; I recommend that you continue reading this website more often.  So far, 2 states have passed laws nullifying some federal gun laws, upwards of 15 will be considering state constitutional amendments to allow people to effectively ban national health care, 13 states now have laws that nullify some federal drugs laws with state marijuana laws, and there&#8217;s much more than that, too.</p>
<p>In fact, the Michigan state legislature in 2010 will not only be <a href="http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/health-care-nullification-in-michigan/" rel="nofollow">considering a state constitutional amendment to nullify national health care</a>, but is also one of the many states working towards <a href="http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/12/will-michigan-nullify-federal-gun-laws/" rel="nofollow">nullification of federal gun laws</a>.  It&#8217;s going to be a tough road, but there certainly are efforts in that state!</p>
<p>The reality is, Jeff, if you &#8220;see no notice&#8230;&#8221; then you&#8217;re missing what&#8217;s happening all over the country.  But it&#8217;s understandable, the mainstream media barely covers it.  Then again, read about a number of news reports on this issue <a href="http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/in-the-news/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll come back regularly to learn more about this growing 10th Amendment movement!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael:

Of course, the problem with your scenario is the Federal Government already was served notice... in 1791 in the form of the 10th amendment. So no &quot;notice&quot; need be served, the Federal Government is in full knowledge it is trespassing on the rights of the states. 

But lets say it&#039;s a warning. But is it? It just reaffirms the existence of the 10th amendment. I see no notice of eviction being served upon the federal goverment. 

Can you provide some documentation attesting to the legislators intent to opt out of national health care and nullify federal gun laws as you state?

Thanks

-Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:</p>
<p>Of course, the problem with your scenario is the Federal Government already was served notice&#8230; in 1791 in the form of the 10th amendment. So no &#8220;notice&#8221; need be served, the Federal Government is in full knowledge it is trespassing on the rights of the states. </p>
<p>But lets say it&#8217;s a warning. But is it? It just reaffirms the existence of the 10th amendment. I see no notice of eviction being served upon the federal goverment. </p>
<p>Can you provide some documentation attesting to the legislators intent to opt out of national health care and nullify federal gun laws as you state?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>-Jeff</p>
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