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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-257898</link>
		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colorado back in the 1990&#039;s attempted to address the taxation issue by routing all federal taxes thou the state as to enable the state to deduct from its federal contribution the money needed for things the federal government with holds from em.

If Colorado actually did it the federal government would of course be most upset and try to get the courts to stop it but, what if a lot of states did it?

What if we amendment the constitution so that all states could do it?

Control of federal money contribution is the logical answer to avoid the extortion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colorado back in the 1990&#8242;s attempted to address the taxation issue by routing all federal taxes thou the state as to enable the state to deduct from its federal contribution the money needed for things the federal government with holds from em.</p>
<p>If Colorado actually did it the federal government would of course be most upset and try to get the courts to stop it but, what if a lot of states did it?</p>
<p>What if we amendment the constitution so that all states could do it?</p>
<p>Control of federal money contribution is the logical answer to avoid the extortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan A. Campbell</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-257316</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan A. Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As aforesaid, Free State Project is good intentioned. Were it conjoined with Jeff Mathews&#039; post  &quot; Furthering Liberty, A plan that will work&quot; it would be a more potent process. Alone, its  just a good idea that once its run its course may have no greater effect than the end result of what came out of the Million Man March. What&#039;s really a good idea is the link you provided for others to likewise investigate. Experts/Authors which write these posts/blogs are introduced to other websites which potentially could network with theirs becoming as one in creating the perfect solutions. We all share a common objective. We&#039;re just lost in the specifics and particulars which keep us all segmented. Doesn&#039;t matter who&#039;s right,it matters whats right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As aforesaid, Free State Project is good intentioned. Were it conjoined with Jeff Mathews&#8217; post  &#8221; Furthering Liberty, A plan that will work&#8221; it would be a more potent process. Alone, its  just a good idea that once its run its course may have no greater effect than the end result of what came out of the Million Man March. What&#8217;s really a good idea is the link you provided for others to likewise investigate. Experts/Authors which write these posts/blogs are introduced to other websites which potentially could network with theirs becoming as one in creating the perfect solutions. We all share a common objective. We&#8217;re just lost in the specifics and particulars which keep us all segmented. Doesn&#8217;t matter who&#8217;s right,it matters whats right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freestateproject.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free State Project&lt;/a&gt; is not just signing a petition or an initiative....you should look into it a little further.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">Free State Project</a> is not just signing a petition or an initiative&#8230;.you should look into it a little further.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan A. Campbell</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-257270</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan A. Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free State Project idea is good intentioned but the part about 20,000 or more signatures will effect no change. Everyone in America could sign a citizen initiative to change government and one Federal judge could over rule everyone&#039;s signature on lack of standing grounds.  Consequence of everyone being seen thru lens of law and court is that we&#039;re all 14th Ammendment persons. Translation; Federal citizens which exist at the bottom rung of the chain of command. Federal judge occupies position of Govt. sovereignty over such citizen. We&#039;re all deluding ourselves into beleiving we can change any govt. by being U.S.citizens. There is no sovereignty in U.S. citizenship. When Founding Fathers exited their domicile state they were identified as American citizens. We fail to recognize there are two United States operating in law simultaneously. The one we&#039;re all tethered to,and extensions of, is Washington,D.C.,insular possessions,and territories wherein Congress is sovereign. We&#039;ve all been duped into federal citizenship and occupy the states in that capacity. State&#039;s are relucant to reinvigorate the suppressed 10th Ammendment standing birth right of American born. For therein is the sovereignty and innate judicial power of People. Were States coming forth in good faith with clean hands full disclosure they&#039;d be producing 10th Ammendment standing documentation for all to recognize,relative to Doctrine of Recognition.  State&#039;s seem to fear a sovereign citizenry from empowering county govts. and vesting them with right to compete against both State and Federal re; programs, common welare,protection,etc.  Such elevation of newly empowered County governance could reroute all tax money thru county treasuries thus vicariosly imposing limitations and constraints upon both State and Federal. Visualize People reserving as 10th Ammendment right to have 80% taxes County,10% State,Federal. Unfotunately, The adopted belief system of both State and Federal is that soverign citizenship is a lawless society comprised of patriot nut jobs,radical fringe extremists,and basically those law enforcement are taught to view as being dangerous persons. The fallacy is that such adversarial position is what cements everyone into 14th Ammendment recognition and reduces State&#039;s to being political islands in an ocean of Federal overlay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free State Project idea is good intentioned but the part about 20,000 or more signatures will effect no change. Everyone in America could sign a citizen initiative to change government and one Federal judge could over rule everyone&#8217;s signature on lack of standing grounds.  Consequence of everyone being seen thru lens of law and court is that we&#8217;re all 14th Ammendment persons. Translation; Federal citizens which exist at the bottom rung of the chain of command. Federal judge occupies position of Govt. sovereignty over such citizen. We&#8217;re all deluding ourselves into beleiving we can change any govt. by being U.S.citizens. There is no sovereignty in U.S. citizenship. When Founding Fathers exited their domicile state they were identified as American citizens. We fail to recognize there are two United States operating in law simultaneously. The one we&#8217;re all tethered to,and extensions of, is Washington,D.C.,insular possessions,and territories wherein Congress is sovereign. We&#8217;ve all been duped into federal citizenship and occupy the states in that capacity. State&#8217;s are relucant to reinvigorate the suppressed 10th Ammendment standing birth right of American born. For therein is the sovereignty and innate judicial power of People. Were States coming forth in good faith with clean hands full disclosure they&#8217;d be producing 10th Ammendment standing documentation for all to recognize,relative to Doctrine of Recognition.  State&#8217;s seem to fear a sovereign citizenry from empowering county govts. and vesting them with right to compete against both State and Federal re; programs, common welare,protection,etc.  Such elevation of newly empowered County governance could reroute all tax money thru county treasuries thus vicariosly imposing limitations and constraints upon both State and Federal. Visualize People reserving as 10th Ammendment right to have 80% taxes County,10% State,Federal. Unfotunately, The adopted belief system of both State and Federal is that soverign citizenship is a lawless society comprised of patriot nut jobs,radical fringe extremists,and basically those law enforcement are taught to view as being dangerous persons. The fallacy is that such adversarial position is what cements everyone into 14th Ammendment recognition and reduces State&#8217;s to being political islands in an ocean of Federal overlay.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-257150</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, without taxes and the federal reserve, it would be quite difficult for the federal government to violate the constitution.

But, what I think is the simple greatness of this article is that it recognizes that begging federal politicians for real change isn&#039;t getting us anywhere.  In fact, attacks on our liberty are getting worse by the year.  I believe this localized effort is something that can make a true difference.  i.e. the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freestateproject.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free State Project&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, without taxes and the federal reserve, it would be quite difficult for the federal government to violate the constitution.</p>
<p>But, what I think is the simple greatness of this article is that it recognizes that begging federal politicians for real change isn&#8217;t getting us anywhere.  In fact, attacks on our liberty are getting worse by the year.  I believe this localized effort is something that can make a true difference.  i.e. the <a href="http://www.freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">Free State Project</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Trouble</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-257005</link>
		<dc:creator>Trouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t argue that logic Terry.  But we have to drive the Fed taxman out first.  Therein lies the challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t argue that logic Terry.  But we have to drive the Fed taxman out first.  Therein lies the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Morris</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/24/thoughts-on-sovereignty/comment-page-1/#comment-256837</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t seen it, but I can probably guess what it consists of:  

Deny the &#039;federal&#039; government the power to tax us into oblivion; collect taxes (on incomes or whatever) at the state level.  Give to the feds that portion deemed necessary for its subsistence in its proper (constitutional) role.  Keep the rest for building and maintaining infrastructure and so on.

That&#039;s the way we Okies think.  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen it, but I can probably guess what it consists of:  </p>
<p>Deny the &#8216;federal&#8217; government the power to tax us into oblivion; collect taxes (on incomes or whatever) at the state level.  Give to the feds that portion deemed necessary for its subsistence in its proper (constitutional) role.  Keep the rest for building and maintaining infrastructure and so on.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way we Okies think.  <img src='http://tenthamendment.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews - Houston, TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews - Houston, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see your article on taxation.  You should submit it.  

I have some thoughts in that regard.  

First and foremost, you have to ask, &quot;Will the federal government cede to our sovereignty because we demand it?&quot;  I am hopeful, but do have some grave doubts. 

Therefore, we have to wonder what the source of the power to usurp is.  Of course, it is our money.  So, therefore, we must starve the federal government until it no longer has the ability to meddle in and micromanage state affairs.  

Didn&#039;t the Soviet Union fall apart because Moscow was going broke?

Now, with over 40% of Americans not paying tax, it is no wonder tax-increasing measures keep on passing.  Too many voters are not vested against taxation because they do not feel its pains.  Any plan to reduce federal government must necessarily come from a rising surge by voters against taxes.  Until more Americans pay taxes, that sentiment will not arise.  

This is why a national sales tax is in order.  Everyone should feel the pain of taxation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see your article on taxation.  You should submit it.  </p>
<p>I have some thoughts in that regard.  </p>
<p>First and foremost, you have to ask, &#8220;Will the federal government cede to our sovereignty because we demand it?&#8221;  I am hopeful, but do have some grave doubts. </p>
<p>Therefore, we have to wonder what the source of the power to usurp is.  Of course, it is our money.  So, therefore, we must starve the federal government until it no longer has the ability to meddle in and micromanage state affairs.  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the Soviet Union fall apart because Moscow was going broke?</p>
<p>Now, with over 40% of Americans not paying tax, it is no wonder tax-increasing measures keep on passing.  Too many voters are not vested against taxation because they do not feel its pains.  Any plan to reduce federal government must necessarily come from a rising surge by voters against taxes.  Until more Americans pay taxes, that sentiment will not arise.  </p>
<p>This is why a national sales tax is in order.  Everyone should feel the pain of taxation.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty good article.  You wrote:

&quot;Against this rising tide of socialism and stimulus packages, we must resist the temptation to trade more of our sovereignty for â€œthirty pieces of silverâ€ from the federal government.&quot;

Thirty pieces of silver?  Don&#039;t you mean selling our birthright for a pot of beans?  Beans, incidentally, that originate with the states and the people thereof.

But of course the states retain their sovereignty, and all that that implies.  If I, as an individual, (voluntarily) enter into contract with another individual or entity, then I&#039;m bound by the terms of the agreement and so is the other party/parties to the contract.  To allow the other person/entity to break his end of the bargain to my hurt and to my family&#039;s ultimate destruction is, well, worthy only of an infidel.  But even if our founding fathers had signed on to an agreement which they knew they could not get out of under any circumstances (i.e., had they voluntarily enslaved themselves -- subjected their lives, liberties, fortunes -- to the central authority), they had no right or paternal authority to do so for succeeding generations of Americans.  

As I&#039;ve said many times before, I&#039;m personally not inclined to be enslaved by anyone, &lt;i&gt;dead or living&lt;/i&gt;.  That others are is not my problem, but theirs.  It is quite literally the height of stupidity to assume that a dead generation has power to enslave the living to the former&#039;s ideas and enactments.  But, you know, there are a lot of stupid people out there with whom we have to contend.  So be it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good article.  You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Against this rising tide of socialism and stimulus packages, we must resist the temptation to trade more of our sovereignty for â€œthirty pieces of silverâ€ from the federal government.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thirty pieces of silver?  Don&#8217;t you mean selling our birthright for a pot of beans?  Beans, incidentally, that originate with the states and the people thereof.</p>
<p>But of course the states retain their sovereignty, and all that that implies.  If I, as an individual, (voluntarily) enter into contract with another individual or entity, then I&#8217;m bound by the terms of the agreement and so is the other party/parties to the contract.  To allow the other person/entity to break his end of the bargain to my hurt and to my family&#8217;s ultimate destruction is, well, worthy only of an infidel.  But even if our founding fathers had signed on to an agreement which they knew they could not get out of under any circumstances (i.e., had they voluntarily enslaved themselves &#8212; subjected their lives, liberties, fortunes &#8212; to the central authority), they had no right or paternal authority to do so for succeeding generations of Americans.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said many times before, I&#8217;m personally not inclined to be enslaved by anyone, <i>dead or living</i>.  That others are is not my problem, but theirs.  It is quite literally the height of stupidity to assume that a dead generation has power to enslave the living to the former&#8217;s ideas and enactments.  But, you know, there are a lot of stupid people out there with whom we have to contend.  So be it.</p>
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