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		<title>By: How Immediate Is Any Secession Talk? &#171; Info Ink</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/19/state-sovereignty-is-a-long-standing-american-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-286690</link>
		<dc:creator>How Immediate Is Any Secession Talk? &#171; Info Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;State sovereignty is a long-standing American tradition.&#8221; In a partially republished Charleston City Paper commentary by Jack Hunter, Hunter cited Kirkpatrick Sale, &#8220;author and director of the Mulberry Institute, a pro-secession think tank,&#8221; as saying, &#8220;Of course, it is true that the particular secession of 1861-65 did not succeed, but that didn&#8217;t make it illegal or even unwise. It made it a failure, that&#8217;s all. The victory by a superior military might is not the same thing as the creation of a superior constitutional right.&#8221; Hunter added, in the part of his commentary reprinted on the Tenth Amendment Center&#8217;s website: &#8220;Sale raises a good point. If the Founding Fathers had lost the American Revolution to Great Britain, would the colonial&#8217;s quest to secede from England have been decided forever, all because of a military loss? The idea that the U.S. could still be an outpost of the British Empire is one that many today would find as laughable as some find secession.&#8221; [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 5/19/09] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;State sovereignty is a long-standing American tradition.&#8221; In a partially republished Charleston City Paper commentary by Jack Hunter, Hunter cited Kirkpatrick Sale, &#8220;author and director of the Mulberry Institute, a pro-secession think tank,&#8221; as saying, &#8220;Of course, it is true that the particular secession of 1861-65 did not succeed, but that didn&#8217;t make it illegal or even unwise. It made it a failure, that&#8217;s all. The victory by a superior military might is not the same thing as the creation of a superior constitutional right.&#8221; Hunter added, in the part of his commentary reprinted on the Tenth Amendment Center&#8217;s website: &#8220;Sale raises a good point. If the Founding Fathers had lost the American Revolution to Great Britain, would the colonial&#8217;s quest to secede from England have been decided forever, all because of a military loss? The idea that the U.S. could still be an outpost of the British Empire is one that many today would find as laughable as some find secession.&#8221; [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 5/19/09] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Argull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Argull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Monorprise,

The way I learned it was that Lincoln and the Union did not begin to fight until the Confederacy declared war on the Union by firing at Fort Sumter. In a strictly legal sense the war was not fought because of secession but because of the aggression of South Carolina. 

Aside from that little quibble I agree with most of what you said. 

Good Post 
Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Monorprise,</p>
<p>The way I learned it was that Lincoln and the Union did not begin to fight until the Confederacy declared war on the Union by firing at Fort Sumter. In a strictly legal sense the war was not fought because of secession but because of the aggression of South Carolina. </p>
<p>Aside from that little quibble I agree with most of what you said. </p>
<p>Good Post<br />
Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/19/state-sovereignty-is-a-long-standing-american-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-259037</link>
		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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It would be nice to have a comprehensive list of every vial institution of the Federal government and how to quickly disable/cripple them in the event of a 2nd State rebellion, should it become militarily necessary.   
 
I don&#039;t mean to be an Alarmist or Warmonger here I&#039;m simply saying that preparation is prudent because ultimately as the Federal government Demonstrated in the &#8220;civil war&#8221; authority is derived from the sword not the people.   
Therefore if they follow the same patter of non-republican(system not party) logic then the States must be armed and organized to resist that government as such that the sword they(the States) control is superior to the sword of the federal governments welds without them.   That means it would be nice if we had a list of things that need to be done to cripple the Federal governments ability to again make War upon we the people and our States if we ever faced that situation again.  Only then could we restore that check on federal authority on the terms the federal government established.(force) 
 
 
That being said, the south&#039;s biggest mistake was to assume that Lincoln and the north had the honor to respect their natural and inalienable rights to self determination and let them go peacefully, that is why the southern States withdrew their congressional delegations(leaving Congress in the overwhelming domination of their political enemies) who no longer had a right to be U.S. Congressional delegates of non-U.S. States.  They should have kept them there and force congress to either kick them out effectively declaring they were no longer States, or used them to obstructed and deny any and all federal efforts to wage war on their State, while at the same time making their states impassioned plee for liberty and justice. 
 
They could have used them congressmen to obstruct federal efforts, and form constitutional sympathy / wisdom bonds with other congressmen reminding them that to deprive our people of our rights is to give up the same rights yourself. 
 
Ultimately the trick is to convince theses people that they don want to keep us around, against our will, that they don&#039;t want to live with us.  That is a task a irritant and tireless minority can do quite effectively, make people not want to live with them. </description>
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It would be nice to have a comprehensive list of every vial institution of the Federal government and how to quickly disable/cripple them in the event of a 2nd State rebellion, should it become militarily necessary.   </p>
<p>I don&#039;t mean to be an Alarmist or Warmonger here I&#039;m simply saying that preparation is prudent because ultimately as the Federal government Demonstrated in the &ldquo;civil war&rdquo; authority is derived from the sword not the people.<br />
Therefore if they follow the same patter of non-republican(system not party) logic then the States must be armed and organized to resist that government as such that the sword they(the States) control is superior to the sword of the federal governments welds without them.   That means it would be nice if we had a list of things that need to be done to cripple the Federal governments ability to again make War upon we the people and our States if we ever faced that situation again.  Only then could we restore that check on federal authority on the terms the federal government established.(force) </p>
<p>That being said, the south&#039;s biggest mistake was to assume that Lincoln and the north had the honor to respect their natural and inalienable rights to self determination and let them go peacefully, that is why the southern States withdrew their congressional delegations(leaving Congress in the overwhelming domination of their political enemies) who no longer had a right to be U.S. Congressional delegates of non-U.S. States.  They should have kept them there and force congress to either kick them out effectively declaring they were no longer States, or used them to obstructed and deny any and all federal efforts to wage war on their State, while at the same time making their states impassioned plee for liberty and justice. </p>
<p>They could have used them congressmen to obstruct federal efforts, and form constitutional sympathy / wisdom bonds with other congressmen reminding them that to deprive our people of our rights is to give up the same rights yourself. </p>
<p>Ultimately the trick is to convince theses people that they don want to keep us around, against our will, that they don&#039;t want to live with us.  That is a task a irritant and tireless minority can do quite effectively, make people not want to live with them. </p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed the link for the Iowa bill info, and read the comments there, and saw a very astute comment made by someone yesterday that I want to share, (though I have taken the liberty of fixing minor spelling / punctuation errors.)  This poster said everything that I too wanted to say in response to an earlier comment:

&quot;I love Lori Lee&#039;s comments; they explain everything that is wrong in this country. As a citizen of Iowa, I wish she gave us the name of her state senator. Let me see if I got this right: the senator says that the bill is enthusiastically supported by the citizens, but does not have enough support in the legislature, so he cannot support the bill at this time.
Now there is a man of courage and convictions, a man of real backbone, a man who should be removed from office as soon as possible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the link for the Iowa bill info, and read the comments there, and saw a very astute comment made by someone yesterday that I want to share, (though I have taken the liberty of fixing minor spelling / punctuation errors.)  This poster said everything that I too wanted to say in response to an earlier comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;I love Lori Lee&#8217;s comments; they explain everything that is wrong in this country. As a citizen of Iowa, I wish she gave us the name of her state senator. Let me see if I got this right: the senator says that the bill is enthusiastically supported by the citizens, but does not have enough support in the legislature, so he cannot support the bill at this time.<br />
Now there is a man of courage and convictions, a man of real backbone, a man who should be removed from office as soon as possible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The day I start seeing our States refuse Unconstitutional federal mandates, regardless of what that infamous Supreme court has to say about it, is the day that I will believe they are actually serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day I start seeing our States refuse Unconstitutional federal mandates, regardless of what that infamous Supreme court has to say about it, is the day that I will believe they are actually serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/05/19/state-sovereignty-is-a-long-standing-american-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-256233</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: great ideas here.  Definitely working finding local and state-level leaders already.  Hopefully will be able to pass a lot on to those interested in the near future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: great ideas here.  Definitely working finding local and state-level leaders already.  Hopefully will be able to pass a lot on to those interested in the near future!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews - Houston, TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews - Houston, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose organizing the people.  The legislatures often have their priorities wrong, and we &quot;the people&quot; need to set them right.  

Those who are actively posting articles here should submit information to Michael as to where they are, so that they can be contacted for potential leadership positions in a grass-roots movement.  

Michael, can you collect contact information for potential leaders?  We should divvy this effort up into districts to spread the load.  More to follow.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose organizing the people.  The legislatures often have their priorities wrong, and we &#8220;the people&#8221; need to set them right.  </p>
<p>Those who are actively posting articles here should submit information to Michael as to where they are, so that they can be contacted for potential leadership positions in a grass-roots movement.  </p>
<p>Michael, can you collect contact information for potential leaders?  We should divvy this effort up into districts to spread the load.  More to follow&#8230;..</p>
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