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		<title>War, Atrocities, Jurisdiction and Habeas Corpus</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a recent article on Habeas Corpus, it was shown that the 10th Amendment prevented the federal government from suspending Habeas. Why? Because the Constitution only allows for its suspension in very limited situations. Article I, Section 9 spells this out quite clearly: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a <a href="http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/22/restricting-rights-at-guantanamo-who-will-be-next/">recent article on Habeas Corpus</a>, it was shown that the 10th Amendment prevented the federal government from suspending Habeas.  Why?  Because the Constitution only allows for its suspension in very limited situations.  Article I, Section 9 spells this out quite clearly:<em><br />
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<blockquote><p><em>The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This, in conjunction with the 10th amendmentâ€™s mandate of limited government demonstrates that any suspension of Habeas Corpus outside the above provision is done so in violation of the Constitution.  For clarification, hereâ€™s the text of the Tenth:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Typical of those who wrote in opposition was this comment posted by someone under the name of â€œL. Savageâ€</p>
<blockquote><p><em>you seem to forget that we are at war, we are not the ones that have chosen to hide among the civilian population and wage unchecked atrocities. you seem so concerned about the rights of terrorist who are trying to destroy the very democracy that you are trying to use to protect them and in the process you have decided that their rights as terrorist, not citizens of this country, is more important than bringing to justice those that helped topple the twin towers in n.y..</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>where is the cry of outrage from you for all the murdering and butchery that these people have committed, or is it not politicly aligned with your agenda to bad mouth the present administration no matter what they do? god help us all if you had been around during the second world war weâ€™d all be speaking german or japanese now!</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Hereâ€™s a textbook example of how the enemies of freedom try to whip us into supporting an expansion of power and the elimination of rights. Itâ€™s obviously not well-founded, but  still worth a quick look.</p>
<p>1. <em>you seem to forget that we are at war</em></p>
<p>How that can be forgotten by anyone is absurd! But, as made quite clear above, the Constitution doesnâ€™t make any additional exceptions for being â€œat war.â€ The only times the federal government is allowed to suspended habeas corpus is in cases of Rebellion or Invasion â€“ with the additional caveat that the â€œpublic safety may require it.â€</p>
<p>2. <em>we are not the ones that have chosen to hide among the civilian population and wage unchecked atrocities</em></p>
<p>If anyone made the claim that <em><strong>you. </strong></em>did these things, you would need the right to defend yourself and maintain your innocence.</p>
<p>3. <em>you seem so concerned about the rights of terrorist who are trying to destroy the very democracy that you are trying to use to protect them</em></p>
<p>The concern is for the liberty of <strong>all</strong>. It must be stressed, until due process has been served, we do not know that these detainees have done anything you or anyone else has accused them of doing.</p>
<p>4. <em>and in the process you have decided that their rights as terrorist, not citizens of this country, is more important than bringing to justice those that helped topple the twin towers in n.y.</em></p>
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<p>All people have the same rights &#8211; as people. Again, youâ€™ve convicted them of being a â€œterroristâ€ and of â€œtoppling the twin towers.â€ If theyâ€™re guilty, itâ€™ll be easy to convict them of these crimes.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s more likely that the government canâ€™t prove their guilt, and thatâ€™s why they refuse to bring trial, or even charges for that matter.</p>
<p>5. <em>where is the cry of outrage from you for all the murdering and butchery that these people have committed</em></p>
<p>There is a cry to catch, try, and prosecute these criminals. But the politicians running this government have no interest in this whatsoever. They just want to wage war in Iraq, kill civilians in Afghanistan, and where does that get us? Nowhere â€“ A majority of those responsible for the horrible September attacks continue to run free.</p>
<p>6. <em>god help us all if you had been around during the second world war weâ€™d all be speaking german or japanese now!</em></p>
<p>Itâ€™s hard to believe that people still parrot this nonsense. The Japanese were able to pull off a â€œsurpriseâ€ attack (although thatâ€™s debatable), and no one could seriously think that they had the ability to conquer and control America, an armed nation in the hundreds of millions of people.  The Germans, on the other hand, couldnâ€™t even cross the English Channel to invade England, let alone cross the Atlantic ocean to invade the United States!</p>
<p>Another common argument in support of expansive government powers in regards to habeas corpus is that the Constitution and the US government only have jurisdiction within U.S. borders, like this comment:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The authorâ€™s argument is fundamentally flawed and hereâ€™s why. The US Constitution frames the authority of the federal government &#8211; thatâ€™s a given. The US Government does not have global jurisdiction thus foreign combatants detained outside the jurisdictional boundaries of the United States and HELD outside the United States are not covered or entitled to rights or protections of the US Constitution. There is NO jurisdictional authority for the US to grant habeas corpus.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>While itâ€™s correct that the US Government doesnâ€™t have global jurisdiction it often acts that way.  People are held outside of US jurisdiction, and the claim is that outside of it, the government doesnâ€™t need to follow the Constitution.  But â€“ while claiming exemption from the law due to lack of jurisdiction, the government still exercises jurisdictional authority by imprisoning these people in the first place.</p>
<p>In short, the government exercises jurisdictional power while, at the same time, claiming an exemption due to lack of jurisdiction.Â  As always, wanting it both ways.<br />
More importantly, though, the Constitution doesnâ€™t mention any location or jurisdiction.  It doesnâ€™t apply to foreigners.  In fact, it doesnâ€™t apply to people at all!</p>
<p>It applies to the Federal Government â€“ only.</p>
<p>The Constitution lists what the government <strong>can </strong>do, while the Bill of Rights lists what it <strong>cannot </strong>do.  Nowhere are there exceptions for where/what location the US government comes into contact with people.</p>
<p>The principle here is simple â€“ all people are created equal and that â€œthey are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rightsâ€¦â€  Going further, it is the purpose of the Constitution to â€œsecure these rights.â€  How?  By limiting the power of the Federal Government to violate them.</p>
<p>In short, it doesnâ€™t matter if the US is at war.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if the politicians tell us someone is a terrorist. It doesn&#8217;t matter  if atrocities have been committed, or if a person is being held â€œoutsideâ€ jurisdiction.</p>
<p>Habeas Corpus cannot be suspended â€“ except in cases of â€œrebellion or invasion.â€</p>
<p>Period.</p>
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		<title>Restricting Rights at Guantanamo, who will be next?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Michael Boldin As usual, our liberty is under attack by the federal government. An appeals court has just upheld a ruling that prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay are not entitled to habeas corpus, and thus, cannot challenge their detention in court. So, once again, the federal government, through its court system, has overstepped the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>by Michael Boldin</em></p>
<p>As usual, our liberty is under attack by the federal government.  An appeals court has just upheld a ruling that prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay are not entitled to <a href="http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/01/30/limiting-habeas-corpus-limiting-government-power/">habeas corpus</a>, and thus, cannot challenge their detention in court.</p>
<p>So, once again, the federal government, through its court system, has overstepped the restrictions of the Tenth Amendment, by assailing the Constitution and its principles of limited government.  What a surprise!  An agent of the government upheld the actions of the government!</p>
<p>As reported by <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2016803120070220" target="_blank">Reuters</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>An appeals court on Tuesday upheld the part of a tough anti-terrorism law signed by President George W. Bush that took away the rights of Guantanamo prisoners to challenge their detention before U.S. federal judges.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The United States Constitution brought into being a government of limited powers, which is quite unusual in the pages of world history.  This government is one in which the only powers it has are those that are listed in the Constitution itself.  â€œPositive grantâ€ is what this is called in Constitutional legalese.</p>
<p>Fearful that liberty would still be violated by politicians hungry for power, the Founding Fathers added the Bill of Rights.  To ensure the principles of limited government through positive grant, the Tenth Amendment was enacted.  It explains this concept quite clearly:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Thus, under the Constitution, the federal government is a government of enumerated powers rather than one of general or unlimited powers.  The issue here, then, is what constitutional right the federal government has to exert such power â€“ the limitation or elimination of habeas corpus â€“ over people in its jurisdiction.</p>
<p>The only place in which habeas corpus is even mentioned in the Constitution can be found in Article I, Section 9:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But, donâ€™t just believe what you see here.  I suggest you read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and then ask yourself this: what exactly is the power of the federal government in regards to habeas corpus?</p>
<p>Letâ€™s examine this a little further:</p>
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<li>As enshrined in the 10th Amendment, the federal government operates under the principle of positive grant â€“ meaning that it can only exercise delegated powers listed in the constitution.</li>
<li>According to the Constitution, the only reference to limiting habeas corpus is â€œin cases of rebellion or invasionâ€</li>
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<p>Since the qualifiers for suspension do not exist, the federal government cannot restrict, limit, or eliminate habeas corpus for anyone.  Period.</p>
<p>Of course, there are war-lovers out there that feel the government can suspend habeas corpus because weâ€™re at war.  We must put up with invasions of civil liberties â€“ and we must trust the politicians to make us safe.</p>
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<p>In fact, one of the biggest reasons we even <em>have </em>the Constitution is to protect us from politicians, like the ones we currently have, during times of stress or danger.  Yes, some constitutional provisions do mention exceptions, but there are no exceptions specified for simply being â€œat war.â€</p>
<p>Anytime this issue comes up, invariably youâ€™ll find people who claim that the Constitution doesnâ€™t apply to foreigners â€“ only Americans.  The important point is that the Constitution doesn&#8217;t apply to Americans, it doesn&#8217;t apply to citizens, it doesn&#8217;t even apply to &#8220;people.&#8221; <em>It applies to the federal government. </em></p>
<p>The body of the Constitution tells the federal government just what it is allowed to do.  In some places it explains <em>how </em>the government is supposed to do things. The Bill of Rights tells the federal government what it is <em>not </em>allowed to do.  Nothing more, and nothing less.</p>
<p>What you won&#8217;t find there, is the ability to restrict habeas corpus except in the specific instances mentioned above.</p>
<p>The essential point is that until a suspected â€œterroristâ€ receives due process â€“ a fair and impartial trial â€“ you can never know for sure whether or not this person even IS a terrorist!    So, even if you think that foreigners shouldnâ€™t have any rights, you still canâ€™t be sure that theyâ€™re terrorists without due process â€“ well, unless you trust everything your government does.</p>
<p>The Bush administration has now established procedures where it can lock up suspects for life without giving them access to an attorney, an appearance in court, and without the ability to tell anyone.</p>
<p>Now that weâ€™ve allowed the government to have this power, the power to restrict inalienable rights when the president tells us itâ€™s necessary, the question to ask is this:  What group is next?  What will be the next group that the politicians will determine to be unworthy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?</p>
<p>Consider this scenario:</p>
<p>You get arrested by some government agents because youâ€™ve been misidentified as a foreigner who has worked with what the feds call a â€œterrorist organization.â€  They rush you out of the country on a CIA plane and take you to a prison in Eastern Europe.  The jailers torture you endlessly to get information from you.  You tell them nothing because you know nothing!</p>
<p>You tell them youâ€™re an American and youâ€™ve done nothing wrong, but this doesnâ€™t stop the CIA torturers and the foreign thugs working for them.  Youâ€™re told that youâ€™ll never get released and youâ€™ll never be allowed even a court hearing â€“ because terrorists like you are just too dangerous to allow such liberties.</p>
<p>The big problem, though, is that youâ€™re not able to prove that you arenâ€™t a terrorist.  Youâ€™re not even able to prove that youâ€™re an American citizen.  Why?  Because you no longer have the right to challenge your detention as a foreign terrorist!  You donâ€™t get an impartial judicial hearing, you arenâ€™t allowed an attorney, you canâ€™t confront your accusers, and you definitely wonâ€™t get a trial by a jury of your peers.</p>
<p>But, as the President, the Congress, the Courts and much of the media have told us, you donâ€™t deserve those rights because youâ€™ve been accused of being a â€œterroristâ€ and a â€œforeigner.â€</p>
<p>Fear-mongering?  Sure.  Call it what youâ€™d like.  But the abuse of power is not the real thing to be concerned about; itâ€™s the <em>power to abuse</em>.  And that power is real.</p>
<p>As the Founding Fathers knew so well, the greatest threat to your liberty comes from your own government.  Thatâ€™s the reason they wrote the Constitution.  Going further, thatâ€™s the reason we have the Tenth Amendment â€“ to limit the power of the government &#8211; to stop it from doing things that will infringe on your liberty.</p>
<p>Well, we shouldnâ€™t worry about all this because your government would never do anything so awfulâ€¦right?  All those prisoners in Guantanamo and Eastern Europe must be horrible terrorists â€“ and foreigners too!  If they werenâ€™t, your government would definitely let them go, right?  Yeah.  Sure.</p>
<p>If you really believe that, just go back to your TV.  Go watch some sports or a fun little sitcom.  You have absolutely nothing to worry about because your government is â€œprotectingâ€ you.</p>
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