Comments on: Government Violence: The Missing Link in the Gun Control Debate

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By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:20:27 +0000

@onetenther
Yes because its not Independent by choice and they have never used the principles given to it.

Governments do not guide the people do, we the people are this guide and when we stop guiding Government takes it upon itself. We were to have Republic system of Government and even this definition is missed defined. We are to be a public in a public setting of participation and Responsibility to ourselves and our surroundings but we gave it away to Bankers and Corporations and still support that effort today, how is that going? So look at what you support that supports it in its present example.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:13:25 +0000

@NativeAmerican
I think you should go back to your own roots an example in your own history, the one hidden from view that is applicable today but not in use.
Community where all participate and discuss major issues. Where all are looked as the same but look to elders for good guidance and wisdom of choice, where it was not about laws, it was about respect for one another and was not enforced but was discussed amongst those in the tribal community. Maybe you should go for guidance through elders for they know the way and they know well it is not through enforcement.

Our nut cases are an effect of our causes and practices. These folks did not fall out of the sky, they went to our government controlled doctors, to our Government assistance and were assisted. They went for help and got what we now call help in this country which is not helping.

WE the People are the Deciding based upon our Principle of choice, when principles no longer exists sanity is lost. Your own history shared this with you and many were lost in these battle to be free. When we look to these regulations and dominance as our freedom we have none.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:54:47 +0000

Yep because the Government is the worst at the example. Police State is the correct words.

We have militant corporate Government, they are violent and hopeless. The say one thing constant and constantly do something else and all I see today is dictatorship types of governing refusing to even listen to one person unless it fulfills their little prophecy. Almost reminds me of King George the III or a repeat of good old history. Wait, didn’t he use the same financiers?

No there is no easy answer for sure because our country is entirely divided on so many fronts its hard to even have a good conversation about it at all.

So what is missing? Good decisions based on Life and its entire support by allowing it, by protecting its freedoms from dictatorships, the allowance of life to imagine and follow through, basically our whole foundation has been crushed.
Liberty is entirely gone, life is entirely limited and we are not allowed to pursue crap in this country any longer because there is more stops today than doors open.

We have poor example after poor example on so many fronts our children are looking at us and asking really dad? And what are we doing? The same habits we have done for well over 200 years like going to Government to get their permission. Adhering to all these laws and there are so many that it is now impossible unless you are a robot programed by them.

All of us should be ashamed, all of us should be looking at us and figuring out how we allowed this to take place and what is it WE are missing? We are not missing education in this country, we are not missing welfare, we are not missing world finance, we are not missing the FDA, we are not missing Judges and Court rooms, we are not missing criminality on any level any more, we are not missing rich and poor, we are not missing religions, or special interest groups here to protect the planet and we certainly are not missing made up authority or dependence for security in this matter.

What was the real Foundation of this country and all those in it, what was the root cause to all things decided and agreed upon that made them self supporting?

Independent Choice with principles to guide the agreements.
Where was that written?

By: onetenther

onetenther — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 01:07:33 +0000

@MichaelYenglin I like the expression ‘arbitrary laws’. It is definately true that all laws are really arbitrary in nature since it is the law making body arbitrarily deciding what the rules are. It is only under a constitution that this arbitrariness is stopped since the constitution provides a superior body of laws that can override anything they pass. They are quite limited in this respect in the same way my own actions are limited by the laws they create.

I’ve often wondered why some cops can shoot people who only ran a stop sign. I don’t have a problem with them defending themselves or shooting truly dangerous people but when I hear cases of cops shooting a mother and her child simply because she didn’t pull over when he said so it makes me wonder.

By: MichaelYenglin

MichaelYenglin — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 23:34:40 +0000

I’ve always said,”a police officer will kill you for running a stop sign”. The mere resistance to their State issued authority is means for arrest by force at gun point. If you resist that arrest with force in return they will kill you. The lengths this government will go to enforce their arbitrary laws is uncanny. Why are police officers willing to die to enforce a traffic ticket, why are they willing to kill an offender of a petty crime because he resists.

Police officers have reduced themselves to heartless, power hungry punks. No different than the criminal elements they supposedly are protecting us from. When they single out law abiding citizens and treat them no differently than a hard core gangster, then we are in deep trouble. Because out police have become the most notorious gangsters in this country, and they need to be stopped.

Until my government stops their “justified” acts of murder against unarmed civilians, I will never give my guns up… but they can sure as hell try to take them.

By: onetenther

onetenther — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:32:55 +0000

@NativeAmerican I think what some people are concerned about is that legitimate law enforcement walking around schools could become a stepping stone to more violations or our liberty. I think students should be free from TSA style searches/gropings which is the concern of having armed government officials patroling our schools on a regular basis. The massive ability for our government to wage war against any individual makes any seemingly innocent action they do a possible escalation to more aggregious actions in the future. I personally have no problem with local cops hanging around schools but the fear is that this is like opening the door to government officials who may want to do more with them.

Those that are against citizens owning guns and point out the massive numbers of people who have them as a danger seem to forget that our government has more weapons per citizen than any other country in the world. There is a great deal of risk of people having guns but some people seem to forget that their are plenty of gun-nuts in government who probably realize that, if they truly wanted to, could literally turn them onto the people at any moment. They know they have the power to do so and it is only their moral restraint that prevents them from using that power.

By: NativeAmerican

NativeAmerican — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:39:49 +0000

I’m sorry I take exception to several of your ‘points’ in this article. For one, Adam Lanza had ‘military grade’ weapons. And I’m also sorry that you take exception to teachers and administrators being armed in our schools. But you see any society has it’s nut cases, and this is the best way to protect our schools. If you went back to the old one room school houses you would have probably been witness to something that those children were very used to seeing, a rifle hung on the wall near to hand for the teacher to use in defense of their students.Yes, our government has arms, and they could be used against “We The People.” That is why we have the Second Amendment, and it is why we must fight vehemently that it not be taken from us. We are not armed to the level of the military and law enforcement, but we outnumber them. That is the balance. And any attempts to change that balance need to be met with a firm, “No, you will not disarm us, or lessen our ability to protect ourselves from you or anyone else who wishes us harm at any point.”

By: onetenther

onetenther — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 05:54:06 +0000

Government is the body that organizes societies collective ability to use violence. It wages wars, it kills individuals, it imprisons them, it fines them and then makes us pay for the cost in the form of taxes which is the ultimate irony. We can’t really change that because somewhere there has to be a body within our society that has this right because if it wasn’t the thing we call government it would be something else. It would go by a different name but it would still be identical in function. It is unescapable but upon realizing this we must realize that the power to do harm ultimately makes the ones in charge of this suseptable to temptation to do harm to others and that can never make it a good organization.