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Citizen Lawmaking? | thesurvivalistnews.com — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:17:30 +0000

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By: RustyBongard

RustyBongard — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:15:24 +0000

Reposted here with the permission of the author. GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people … directly … – …- – Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
   People – DIRECTLY – exercise sovereignty.
This “revolutionary” concept of sovereignty derives from the fourth Article of Confederation: “The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states… shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states …” [Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
   Remember, a citizen is a SUBJECT, obligated to perform M A N D A T O R Y civic duties.
   Free inhabitants had their endowed rights and powers PLUS any privileges and immunities that government granted to its own subject citizens.
   AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SOVEREIGN – says the courts
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative. Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
   At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country. Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
    It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states. Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
    In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people. [ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
    Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. [Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:26:28 +0000

@william joseph So very true, now all we have to do is get the people to recognize their own responsibility in it and make decisions to change this course. Its still a question of who is the deciding and the deciding answering that question isnt it?

By: william joseph

william joseph — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:03:14 +0000

Imagine The Swiss who created there government in our image along with the dutch system as a representative republic and the rule of Law as the sovereign. Who is the sovereign in America? answer the constitution is. Actually all 3 power structures the federal, state and people deciding in unity are the sovereign in present tense. IE the tenth amendment is the key in silence to who is sovereign each holding sovereignty in there own sphere or jurisdiction. How do we amend the law of the land well it takes all 3 sovereign jurisdictions to do so. The Swiss citizens have what is known as direct democracy effectively nullifying laws which they dislike. There philosophic concept is if we believe we have a Representative that they were chosen because we decided they were a lot like us, Now that they are in they can do as they please. Well we the people will have the final say.

This is what America really needs to coral the run away corruption of all 3 federal branches corroborating on donating all 3 sovereign powers to a NON national governance organization Namely the UN. The States need to remind the Fed a treaty may be the law of the land except when it attempts to remove the constitution it self which grants the fed the power to treaty. In essence William Marbery VS James Madison clearly backs my concepts as well as the article 6 nullity clause. and its the People who must remind the states that its our will which trumps the will of the federal government.

By: WilliamSchooler

WilliamSchooler — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:30:02 +0000

The history of words is so rewarding to see how much crap people make up to fit their own agenda. In the very early days lets talk the Spartan’s was a way of life in which to live in opposition to the way of Egyptians slavery. Many did not see this as a viable form of life at all. But this was all pre the english language now wasn’t it. But with that said if we look at the derivations in some of the dictionaries we can certainly find the public thing or the public way. This lead to an ideal way of life were the life in communities or the public in communities could support each other to sustain their communities because they realized for a community to thrive one needed others and visa versa. That no one man could survive alone against barbarism or slavery.

But lets not look there and then there is Plato and other philosophers who made their claims of fame all working to make if fit their idea of it, but the only true test of it was the living it in this manner and is where all things are seen.

A community made up of public, each one a politic becomes a participant in the community to reason with one another by the showing of trials and tests what works to support such a community. But as the Persians and dominance rains down on the world then comes Rome which gives a brilliant display of it working before the financiers intrude into the palace and corrupt it by their ideas of wealth and power and the falling of Rome.

Republics are susceptible to this kind of activity because some become reliant on others but in a true republic all must rely on each other and this can only be done through discussion and reason or the act of promoting life.

Forget all the stories and all that has been said and look at results for what they are and what lay in the remnants the truth because truth is only reviewed through results period. You cannot show nothing taking place so you have to show something taking place. Truth; Governments left to their own accord will fail inevitably each and every time, there is so many results that support this why would we not question it. Politics was never meant to be some other, it is meant to participate with each other as in Publicizing or politicking with each other through discussion and show and tell. This practice is so outdated today because it has not been used for that long. But it is most definitely what we should be using.

Most of these arguments are post english language and do not even begin to get into the source of the information.

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