Why is Gay Marriage Like a Dodge Durango?

Introduction

In 2010, I posted “On Thought Control and Same Sex Marriage“, discussing the gay marriagehttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Brainwashing_1%2C_acr%C3%ADlico_sobre_lienzo%2C_100_x_80_cms.JPG debate.  In that article, I took the position that a.) marriage is not a matter for the federal government and b.) although the states do have power to regulate marriage, it is ethically wrong that they exercise it.  Marriage, like any other contract, should be left to the private parties involved in the agreement.  Government’s only legitimate role in marriage is enforcing the contract when it is in dispute.

With the recent Chik-Fil-A dust-up, same sex marriage has been in my thoughts again.  As a liberty advocate, this is an issue that is particularly vexing to me on a personal level.    You see, to me, marriage is a committed relationship between a man and a woman.  It’s not ethics.  It’s language.  From my perspective, a marriage will always be a man and a woman, no matter what the government tries to dictate.  The word means what it means.  Anyone trying to force me to change my definition is attempting to dictate my thoughts.  When government does it, this is one of the most unreasonable uses of force that I can imagine.

On the other hand, I certainly believe that gay people are entitled to the same rights as anyone else.  Both of these propositions, to me, are indisputably true, but they seem to be in conflict.  That’s a problem.  I don’t like it when my thoughts are conflicted.

So how do I resolve the conflict?  One of the two propositions must be wrong.  Either marriage cannot mean what I think it means or marriage is not a right (of anyone, straight or gay).  I believe I have made some progress down the path to resolution, first by examining the two propositions, and second by reframing the debate.

 

Resolving the Contradiction

So we have two propositions: a.) I believe that a marriage is a committed, contractual, relationship between a man and a woman; and b.) I believe that everyone, gay or straight, is entitled to the same rights.  We must examine them more carefully.

First, does my personal understanding of the word “marriage” refer exclusively to a man and a woman?  I can’t reach this  proposition through logic.  I can only say that it is self evidently true and use a comparison.  To me, a car is an automotive vehicle with four wheels, a hood, and a trunk.  File:Dodge-Durango.jpgSomeone might call a Dodge Durango a car and someone else might call a Ford F-150 a car, but to me, a Durango is an SUV and an F-150 is a pickup truck.  I have no objection to others using a different classification scheme, but that’s the one I use.  If  Uncle Sam were to come along and tell me that a Durango is a car, I wouldn’t be inclined to agree with him and I would be offended at his presumption.  Just like I am offended when people demand that I be forced to change my classification for who’s married and who isn’t.

Next, is marriage a right?  The answer to this is almost immediately no, because it involves consent from another party.  If I can’t find someone who will agree to marry me, I cannot get married.   If it were a right, I could exercise it without permission from someone else.  Saying that marriage is a right, for the person who hasn’t found an agreeable spouse, is like saying we have a right to buy a time machine.  It’s nonsensical.  You can’t have a right to do something that can’t be done.

In fact, the supposed right to marriage is actually comprised of a number of claims.  We will see in the next section that there are at least 4 claims being made by the two sides under the catch-all slogan, “gay marriage”.   At this point, we have established that there is, in fact, no inherent conflict between viewing marriage in the traditional sense and believing that all people have the same rights.

 

Reframing the Debate

Often, when you are faced with a difficult problem, one way to solve it is to reframe it – to break things down to their components and rearrange those components.  In order to make progress towards a consistent belief system, we can attempt to do this for the gay marriage debate.

When a person advocates for gay marriage, they are demanding the right for gay people to enter into a legally recognized committed relationship; They are demanding access to subsidies that are set aside for people in committed relationships;  They are demanding the right to call their relationship a marriage; And they are demanding that I be forced to call their relationship a marriage.

When a person advocates for traditional marriage, they are demanding that gay people in committed relationships be denied legal recognition; They are demanding that access to subsidies set aside for people in committed relationships should be reserved to those in so-called straight relationships; They are demanding that gay people be denied the ability to describe their relationship as a marriage; and they are demanding that I be forcibly prevented from saying that a gay, committed relationship is a marriage.

So let’s look at these four points.  First, should gay people be allowed to be in a legally recognized, committed relationship?  This seems obvious.  Gay people have the same right as anyone else to legal recognition of their committed relationship.  In my opinion, such recognition (for gay and straight marriages) should be limited to recognition of a legally valid contract.

Next, should gay people get access to subsidies which are set aside for people in a committed relationship?  Well, if subsidies are being set aside, then I suppose they should.  The fact is that both sides are wrong on this one.  The reality is that subsidies should not be set aside for married people, either gay or straight.  Equal treatment under the law demands that single people should not be plundered in order to benefit married people, whether the married people are gay or straight.

Third, should gay people be allowed to refer to their committed relationships as “marriages”?  Most assuredly.  I should hope that I would not presume to dictate anyone else’s thoughts any more than I would allow them to dictate mine.  The traditional family side gets this one wrong.

Finally, should I be forced to refer to a gay committed relationship as a marriage?  Under the same ethical principle that allows gay people to call their relationship a marriage, I cannot be required to do so.  The gay marriage advocates get this one wrong.

 

Conclusion

 By going through this exercise, we can clearly see the roots of the apparent contradiction in the idea that a person can believe that a marriage is between a man and a woman and also believe that gay people have the same rights as anyone else.  In fact, the question, ‘gay marriage: yes or no?’ is one of those famous “false choices” we so often hear about.

When broken down to its components, both sides of the gay marriage debate contain propositions that are objectionable from the perspective of Liberty.   Gay people do have the right to be in legally recognized, committed relationships, and they do have the right to call those relationships “marriages”.  However, they do not have the right to plunder single people to subsidize those relationships and they don’t have the right to force other people to use the word “marriage” to describe their relationship.

If we are ever to reach agreement on this question, as a society, I believe that the debate needs to be taken to a deeper level than just “gay marriage: yes or no?”.  At this level of debate, neither answer is satisfactory.

File:Die Gartenlaube (1869) b 213.jpgBy going through this exercise, it also becomes clear that the disagreement over gay marriage is made worse by government’s continued meddling in marriage.  The first marriage licenses were established to prevent interracial marriage.  From these racist roots, marriage licenses and the associated system of legal plunder which has evolved from them, continue to be divisive influences on our society.

As Bastiat observed in, The Law, whenever government force is allowed to extend itself beyond its legitimate sphere of influence, competing bands of rent seekers will seek to use government force to profit at the expense of others.  This is true of people who claim subsidies and benefits on behalf of the traditional family, and of those who seek to extend the class of married people:

But if the fatal principle should come to be introduced, that, under pretense of organization, regulation, protection, or encouragement, the law may take from one party in order to give to another, help itself to the wealth acquired by all the classes that it may increase that of one class, whether that of the agriculturists, the manufacturers, the ship owners, or artists and comedians; then certainly, in this case, there is no class which may not try, and with reason, to place its hand upon the law, that would not demand with fury its right of election and eligibility, and that would overturn society rather than not obtain it.

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14 Responses to Why is Gay Marriage Like a Dodge Durango?

  1. Smithrj2 August 24, 2012 at 4:57 am #

    “Next, is marriage a right?  The answer to this is almost immediately no, because it involves consent from another party.  If I can’t find someone who will agree to marry me, I cannot get married.   If it were a right, I could exercise it without permission from someone else.  Saying that marriage is a right, for the person who hasn’t found an agreeable spouse, is like saying we have a right to buy a time machine.  It’s nonsensical.  You can’t have a right to do something that can’t be done.”

    You mixed up individual rights with general rights! If marriage is not a right in general, how can two parties be allowed to enter into it as an agreement? Marriage can be seen as a right to form an association as much as it can be seen as an extension of religion, the latter of which is also a right and covers Christianity, paganism, and even atheism. As a rite of belief, it is a right. As a rite of association, it is a right that both parties can enter into to suit their purposes. As a right, and especially as one that does not cause damages, it must not be regulated with such scrutiny as what the government does now by way of defining it, as that is an encumbrance on liberty.

    • PSUJIM1985 August 24, 2012 at 5:19 am #

       @Smithrj2 I think that is what he said….

      • Michael Boldin August 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

         @PSUJIM1985  @Smithrj2 he did say that…..

  2. shevmonster August 24, 2012 at 7:23 am #

    News flash: no one is asking you to change your definition of marriage.  We are only talking about the legal definition of marriage.  I’m married to the person with whom I want to spend the rest of my life, and although I may be a bit offended that you want to say that I am not married, but I don’t really care.  As long as the government says that I am married, that is good enough for me.  I can’t dictate the definition of marriage or anything else to you. And other news flash, you have freedom of speech, which means the government cannot fore any definition of you.  For example, government does have a definition of a “car” and that does not include SUV’s, and that is really important if you are importing a car or SUV because it impacts the import duties you pay, but they are not going to arrest you for calling an SUV a car or a turtle for that matter.  Furthermore, I am not trying to “plunder” anyone, I am actually trying to live in my own country: my husband is Australian, and because a federal law (the Defense of Marriage Act) blocks me from having the same rights as a straight person, I am being forced to abandon my home and move overseas to be with my chosen life partner.  (stopthedeportations.com is a website full of stories like mine.)  If your concern is economics, then you should be fighting to keep me here because I pay way more in taxes than I get back in services: last year I paid $250k in income taxes, I pay far more in social security and medicare taxes than I will ever get back, I pay taxes to support schools even though I have no children, I certainly won’t ever receive a welfare check, and I have never taken unemployment.  I’m the one getting plundered, and forcing me to live in exile from my homeland is not only cruel to me and my family, it’s stupid.  All those tax dollars will be lost.  Plus who will take care of my aged and ailing mother now that my father has passed away?  I’m from a lower middle class background and worked really hard to put myself through school and build a successful career and now I am being forced to abandon all I have worked for just to be with my chosen spouse.  My family arrived on the Mayflower, fought in the revolution, and fought for this country in every war it has ever had… I myself worked for the Treasury under both Clinton and Bush and was the main number cruncher of the Iraq Debt Restructuring, which allowed Iraq to have some hope for a future not so overburdened by debts that the country would be lost, which helped ensure that those men and women who did fight in Iraq would not have fought in vain.  I am as American as they come, and should have the right to live in my own country with the spouse of my choice.  And as to whether we have a “right” to marry the person of our choice, the Supreme Court has said people do.  In Loving vs. Virginia, the Supreme Court struck down laws barring interracial marriage saying people have a fundamental right to marry the person of their choice (or maybe better said, a couple where both partners consent to marriage has a right to marriage).  Although you cannot force someone to marry you if that person does not want, you still have a right to marry the person of your choice if he/she agrees as long as you are straight.  The question before us now is whether I have that same right to marry the person of my choice even though I am not straight. 

    • Michael Boldin August 24, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

       @shevmonster herein lies the problem  - you are paying far too much in taxes for things that are unconstitutional.
       
      That’s a ripoff.  

  3. shevmonster August 24, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    And another thing: currently the law gives me the right to marry a woman… if I did, would that meet your definition of marriage?  I know a gay man who married a Lesbians because they were both in the military and that way they both got a pay increase.  I knew a straight woman who married a gay man because he was in the military and wanted a “beard” and she wanted his health benefits.  I’ve know plenty of gays and Lesbians who’ve married the opposite sex so one could get a greencard.  Are these marriages marriages by your definition?  Because they are marriages under the law.  So your definition of marriage already is different from the legal definition of marriage.  I think my marriage is a lot closer to the traditional definition because I got married in order to make a life long mutual commitment to another human being, for better or for worse, etc.  And moreover, because we respect marriage too much as an institution, we did not have him marry a woman, even though that would have solved our immigration problems. 

    • Steve Palmer August 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

       @shevmonster Thank you for the thoughtful feed-back.  I guess it’s obvious from my first paragraph that I don’t support DOMA, as there is no Constitutional authority for it.It seems to me that several of your points reinforce this article’s conclusion, that we need to think about the question at a deeper level than the, “gay marriage: yes or no”, sound-bite which is typically used by activists on both sides of the debate.

      • onetenther August 24, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

         @Steve Palmer  @shevmonster I don’t see where DOMA interferes with any of the powers of any state government since they are free allow state agencies to recognize such relationships. 

        • Michael Boldin August 26, 2012 at 7:52 am #

           @onetenther  @Steve Palmer   interfere or not.  no federal authority to make any determination over marriage exists.  Constitutional violations don’t always come in the shape or form or “taking over state responsibilities”

        • onetenther August 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

           @Michael Boldin  @Steve Palmer Doma doesn’t interfere with state agencies or even state laws so I don’t see how it violates the tenth amendment.

        • Steve Palmer August 27, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

           @onetenther  @Michael Boldin  @Steve Palmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act#Text
          Section 2, saying that a state cannot be forced to adopt another state’s definition for marriage, is redundant.  The Tenth Amendment already says that.Section 3 is claiming a power that’s not granted to the federal government.  Authority to define marriage resides with the states.  The federal government needs to defer to the controlling state as to whether a marriage is valid.It’s also an overreach in that control over immigration was also left to the states – http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/04/28/immigration-vs-naturalization/ – The Constitution delegates the power to create a uniform rule of naturalization to the federal government, but no power over immigration.

  4. onetenther August 24, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    I would like to add my two cents is that equality, in my opinion, is equality of political power.  I think if a man is free to marry a woman then under the definition of equality this doesn’t interfere with gay-men since they can marry a woman as well.   The law allows one activity for one person and disallows the same activity for all people then that would be sufficient.  Is there a loss of freedom in this?  Yes because gay men can’t be in the same relationship a man and woman can be but neither can straight men.  Freedom is not absolute because absolute freedom is negated by the law since some things are prohibited by the law.  

    • AustinWadeSoulone August 25, 2012 at 3:58 am #

      @onetenther,
      R U really that stupid, well I guess I answered my own question, you are. You would have gay men getting married to females. WOW
      Well I guess it just goes to show, you paid two cents for your education, and that’s what you got.

  5. WilliamSchooler August 24, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    Life has a decision to live or not live, it can decide anything it wants and every single life can. Marriage in todays society is having permission to do something you need no permission for unless of course you are a part of organized religions and then if you don’t you get to go to hell (wait isn’t that earth) one could think it may certainly serve.
    But all life has a choice option and a lot of different reason for making them but the one , the most basic we forget to answer to ourselves is does this union promote life, support life and allow life? And not one of you gets to decide for another or you might as well be Government because that is exactly what they think and think they do a lot of.
     
     And here we are focused on all the gay people, focused on rule making and sides and crap that is as old as time itself. But what we refuse to look at is each one of us looking at us, which one of you is constantly questioning yourself about what is happening in your day and how you helped direct that day, well have ya? But we are going to look at everyone else and the faults but screw our own right?
     
    How about this, the White house in Washington DC is like a giant toilet bowl filled with the crap of the day and its over loaded and lodged. What did you do to separate yourself from it and put something new in place? You didn’t but gay Marriage is the subject of the day, almost sounds like the white house. I sure hope it does not start to smell the same.
     

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