Ending the Fed From the Bottom Up

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by William Greene

Since its inception, the U.S. Federal Reserve’s monetary policies have led to a decline of over 95% in the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar. As a result, there have been several attempts to curtail or eliminate the Federal Reserve’s powers (for example, the efforts of Rep. Louis T. McFadden in the 1930s; the efforts of Rep. Wright Patman in the 1970s; the efforts of Rep. Henry Gonzalez in the 1990s; and the efforts of Rep. Ron Paul since the 1990s); however, none have proven successful to date, due mainly to the constraints of strong political opposition at the national level.

In contrast to these attempts at the national level, a paper I recently presented at the Mises Institute’s “Austrian Scholars Conference” proposes an alternative approach to ending the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money: the “Constitutional Tender Act,” a bill template (first introduced by Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin) that can be introduced in every State legislature in the nation, returning each of them to adherence to the U.S. Constitution’s “legal tender” provisions of Article I, Section 10.

Such a new tactic could achieve the desired goal of abolishing the Federal Reserve system by attacking it from the “bottom up” – “pulling the rug out from under it,” by working to make its functions irrelevant at the State and local level. Under this Act, the State would be required to only use gold and silver coins (or their equivalents, such as checks or electronic transfers) for payments of any debt owed by or to the State (e.g., taxes, fees, contract payments, etc.).

All contracts, tax bills, etc. would be required to be denominated in legal tender gold and silver U.S. coins, including Gold Eagles, Silver Eagles, and pre-1965 90% silver coins. All State-chartered banks, as well as any other bank that is a depository for State funds, would be required to offer accounts denominated in those types of gold and silver coins, and to keep such accounts segregated from other types of accounts such as Federal Reserve Notes.

Upon going into effect, the Constitutional Tender Act would introduce currency competition with Federal Reserve Notes, by outlawing their use in transactions with the State. Ordinary citizens of the State, being required to pay their State taxes in gold and silver coins, would find it necessary to open bank accounts in those denominations.

Businesses operating within the State, being required to pay their State sales taxes and license fees in gold and silver coins, would need to do the same; and in order to acquire such coins, they would begin to offer their goods and services in “dual currency” denominations, where customers could choose to pay in Federal Reserve Notes (which would still be necessary to pay Federal fees and taxes) or gold and silver coins (including checks and debit cards based on bank accounts denominated in such coins). Customers, having found the need to open such accounts in order to deal with the State, would be able to engage in commerce using those accounts.

Over time, as residents of the State use both Federal Reserve Notes and silver and gold coins, the fact that the coins hold their value more than Federal Reserve Notes do will lead to a “reverse Gresham’s Law” effect, where good money (gold and silver coins) will drive out bad money (Federal Reserve Notes). As this happens, a cascade of events can begin to occur, including the flow of real wealth toward the State’s treasury, an influx of banking business from outside of the State (as citizens residing in other States carry out their desire to bank with sound money), and an eventual outcry against the use of Federal Reserve Notes for any transactions.

At that point, the Federal Reserve system will have become unwanted and irrelevant, and can be easily abolished by the people’s elected Representatives in Washington, D.C.

I believe this “bottom up” approach to ending the Fed would have a greater likelihood of success than a “top-down” approach for a number of reasons. First, it is decentralized: rather than facing concerted political opposition at a single Federal level, it attacks the issue at the State level, where strategies and tactics can be adapted to the types and amount of political opposition they encounter.

Second, it is diffused: it can be attempted in any number of States, which can cause the opposition to spread its resources much more thinly than would be necessary at the Federal level. Finally, it is legally sound: it relies on the U.S. Constitution’s negative mandate in Article I, Section 10, that “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”

Under this Act, not only would the use of FRNs by the State be made illegal; the use of legal tender U.S. gold and silver coins would be encouraged amongst the general population as well, along with any other currency that parties mutually consent to using.

This will have three immediate effects: the elimination of Federal Reserve Notes from State transactions; the requirement of individuals and businesses to cease using FRNs in their transactions with the State; and the introduction of competition in currencies amongst the general population. With all three effects working in tandem, the use of low-value pieces of paper issued by the Federal Reserve will become irrelevant, and an emaciated Federal Reserve system can be brought to a welcome, if inglorious, end.

You can download the full paper here: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1570108

Or, here at the Tenth Amendment Center:
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/publications/

You can download the Constitutional Tender Act template here: http://ConstitutionalTender.com/

Bill Greene is a Professor of Theology at Miami Christian University, teaches Social Sciences at the Verity Institute, and is the founder of ConstitutionalTender.com.

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62 comments
Tim
Tim

Also, this would eliminate the "national/federal" income tax due to the fact that we're not "excersizing" our monetary transactions with FRNs. So, there wouldn't be anything to tax. The States, however, would first need to change their current income tax laws (if they even need them after this since their own revenue would sky rocket) because ALL State income tax laws are based on the Federal governments own IRC (Internal Revenue Code and U.S.C. Title 26). So, you'd better get on a template for that as well, because you can't enact this legislation without rewriting the other. Otherwise, we're stuck still converting gold/silver to FRNs at the end of every tax year. Now, federal employees could still be required to use FRNs since they ARE within the jurisdiction of D.C., they would just need to convert their FRNs into gold/silver in order to pay for gas, food, etc. within the states.

Max
Max

Two important errors in article:
First, the Constitution just says States have to make gold and silver legal tender, not legal tender gold and silver U.S. coins. In the first part of this country, many times silver and gold were spanish silver coins for example. It says nothing about where they are minted, nor did the country care. Spanish silver dollars and pieces of eight were so common in the first part of this country that we still counted in 8ths when our stock markets began - who continued to count that way all the way until recently. http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/f...

Second:
Legal tender is also what court judgements are made in. If someone is required to pay another party in dollars, it should be in gold and silver coin. Translating all the court decisions to silver and gold goes a lot further to getting rid of worthless federal reserve notes. They use to say redeemable for silver and gold on them - they no longer are so are no longer legal tender.

Big Dave
Big Dave

I understand your intent. But I believe there is an unintended consequence you may not have considered. Gold and silver are finite resources. If, suddenly, states started doing business in hard metals, the prices for these metals would skyrocket. Do you remember the hunt brothers’ attempt to corner the world market on silver some years ago? I foresee that happening again, but on a larger scale, and successfully. It would take only a consortium of very rich people to seize control of the bulk of the gold and/or silver markets to completely screw the average citizen.

Now you have homeowners who MUST pay their taxes in gold or solver. And, they MUST buy said metals from the robber barons who scooped up control of that market. And, guess what? These predators now want 20 − 30 − 50 times what the metals would cost in an open market. Meet the new bosses - same as the old bosses.

But, you have to buy gold or silver at exorbitant prices to pay your taxes. Unless, of course, the government(s) want to set the price. Does each state set their own prices on gold and silver? Is it done at the federal level? Is it a consortium?

I agree with the idea as a method to starve the Fed. But, the devil will be in the details ... as always.

Alexander Baron
Alexander Baron

Check out FinancialReform website for the truh about money, and the solution.

Tenth Amendment
Tenth Amendment

that is really important to the world these days. Wow, what would we do without your infinite wisdom?

Joe Plummer
Joe Plummer

For those who still don't understand "how" the FED's funny money is used against us, there is a short / free book available at: MeetTheSystem.org

Monkey Wrench
Monkey Wrench

I do have a couple of questions. First for those of us that are dependant on the Fed. Gov. for our military retirement pay and services, how would we be paid in gold or FRN? Second how would social security be paid? Third, in the beginning where do we get the gold & silver coins, if you buy them from a dealer, how do you pay for them?

theunknownamerican
theunknownamerican

This does not forcably deny people the right to use FRNs but establilshes a dual currency so you can continue to use FRNs. Eventually most people will stop using FRNs and exchange them for gold and silver backed currency in which, like any other currency, you would exchange your FRNs for usable gold and silver backed currency.

Monorprise
Monorprise

I'm increasingly convinced of the need to do this seamlessly and make the banks which already handled such translations responsible for handling the dynamic conversion to gold and silver coin denominations from the federal reserve denominations and back(when necessary to pay federal taxes).

Let it happen more or less behind the seen and don't bother the general population with the details and complexity of acquiring the gold and silver.

If it we do it that way we will be acting to effectively shield the population from the destructive effects of inflation by limiting their exposure.

I would furthermore not abolish the Federal reserve but continue to uses it as a means of dealing with foreign trade manipulation. Once the American public has been ween off its standards and have a dynamic system of converting to the notes and back to gold and silver coins thou the banks. We could inflate the federal reserve notes to devalue foreign American dept while preserving our own wealth.

If foreigners want to work for nothing as their expert driven economy's(created by domestic monetary devaluation to create a price advantage) Let them, but don't let them keep our ill-earned money indefinably. Instead force them to invest it in the United States.

To this end it would be advantageous to us, to do this relatively quietly. If we are lucky the Feds wont take notest of what we are doing with our banks until its too late.

If this is done right, the people of the state should hardly know anything has changed, except that their bank accounts are perhaps growing in value faster then they should.

To be clear, the Banks should buy and sell the gold and silver coins on demand(the people need not be involved directly, no one should worry about it the different complex currency's).

To this end we might ease our way into the legal tender acts by first requiring banks to maintain their reserves in gold and silver coins then slowly rached up, until finally you shift the state's finances over to the gold and silver coin standards. (all wages will be payed in gold an silver coins or equivalent.).

People should choose their bank on the account of how well that bank does its buying and selling of gold and silver coins getting.(getting the best deals).

StevenR
StevenR

Hang all those corrupt politicians by the nearest lightpost, Game Over. We all know who the bad guys are we just need to rally together and have justice once and for all. Large corporations and Govt are in bed together (lobbyists). Its time to put our slave jobs aside and stand up for our freedom. Also I am a huge believer in Hemp, which was taxed and eventually made illegal to help DuPont (American company which financed 35% of the Nazi campaign) sell their products. We need to help educate Americans since our teachers cant.

Teresa
Teresa

There is no 'one' answer to these problems. We must demand that individual members of our state legislatures adopt one of the viable suggestions and move forward. There must be a multi-front attack to solve the Fed problem.

Two more suggestions to add to the mix:

-each state should adopt a state constitutional amendment that would require the state to conduct annual, comprehensive, financial audits of the Federal Reserve. If the Reserve refuses to cooperate, it would become the sole prerogative of the state to withhold tax revenue transfers, in full or in part, to the Federal Government until satisfaction is achieved.

-each state should adopt "Default Nullification", wherein all UN-enumerated federal laws and regulations are automatically null and void until the state legislature takes up the issue to approve, adopt and fund said federal law or regulation. "Enumerated" would be strictly defined per Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. If the issue is not approved by said state legislature, the issue remains null and void in that state.

@Rich4Governor
@Rich4Governor

As an unaffiliated candidate for Governor in Colorado that would love to end the Federal Reserve's reign, getting a candidate that is a tenther is the camel's nose under the tent. The problem is the political parties are controlling the process to keep candidates like me from getting elected. The states are definitely the answer but the party candidates (beyond Ron Paul) hardly mention the fed, the tenth, or challenging the sixteenth amendment. It is hard to drive support outside the system... People find these issues too much to think about and glaze over when you talk about the fed or the constitution... Education, education, education; we need to take back our education system...

Gary
Gary

Sounds great but what prevents the Fed via their Congressional Lackys from just banning the minting or ownership of gold and/or silver coins? This whole plan blows up without a ready supply of gold/silver coinage.

Ellen
Ellen

I'd think that state's rights would come into play then, Gary. That seems to be a vital piece of this conundrum. The states must reclaim what is rightfully ours and go from there. It seems that this is beginning to be appreciated in some of the states.

RICOtheFRB
RICOtheFRB

The solution is simple but not easy. We need to RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act,) the Federal Reserve Bank. Not just shut them down but seize all their assets. They are clearly in violation of the act and we could get at least some of the value they swindled over the last 97 years. Finding someone to file the charges is the tricky part.

theunknownamerican
theunknownamerican

The great thing about this is that it will stop things like the IMF because gold and silver can't be controlled by any government or centralized banking.

A George Maratellos
A George Maratellos

I believe the Federal Reserve is just one tentacle of the very elite , mega-rich who are working to unite the whole world into a global government, (New World Order), therefore this will be a monumental task. I am against the slavery of all of mankind, which is their ultimate goal! I'm not saying it can't be done with God's help but it won't be easy.

Hans-Erik
Hans-Erik

Idaho has already started the process. http://proliberty.com/observer/20100326.htm

Also I have a question. If you receive payment in gold and silver recognized in the state. Doest that mean you don't have to pay taxes to the federal government as you are getting paid in something they don't recognize as money any more?

A good question I think. I would go to a state where this was implemented and I would start a business paying my employees in gold and silver.

Ellen
Ellen

Thanks for posting this link, Hans-Erik.

brett clarke
brett clarke

No, the the tax form would have you calculate your gold and silver in terms of dollars then pay taxes on that.

theunknownamerican
theunknownamerican

It seems like to me that the only thing that states are allowed to accept as payment is gold or silver because it says that they can only make gold and silver a tender of payment of debts. I'm assuming it is referring to its debts as in what it owes to us and what its citizens owe to it in the form of taxes.

Dave
Dave

I must say, if we argue over which animalistic system is the best, then I'm out of here. Been there, done that, won the t-shirt. If there is no moral discussion to be had, then I am more than happy to continue on with a clear conscience. Have a good day.

Teresa
Teresa

I would like to add to this that each state, or region of states, perform complete, comprehensive, open-book financial audits of the Federal Reserve in order for said state to allow Federal Reserve transations to occur in the state.

NANCY
NANCY

THE TIME MAY FINALLY RIGHT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. OBAMA HAS BROUGHT AMERICA TO THE REALIZATION THAT SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG; THE CURRENT ECONOMIC DEBACLE HAS OPENED MANY EYES TO ITS CAUSES; OUR INDIFFERENCE TO OUR FOUNDING PRINCIPLES FOR MANY DECADES HAS SHOWN US THAT IF WE DON'T BECOME EDUCATED AND REALIZE THE POWER LIES WITH THE PEOPLE AND ONLY WE THE PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THE COURSE OF THIS COUNTRY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Dave
Dave

A standing army of tax collectors is one method of the current condition of economic slavery, and the source comes from those who want and take anothers production without offering a product or service as compensation.

Men have been trading with each other since the dawn of civilization. I merely suggest it can be done electronically and without gov/fed interference.

And then there is the condition of intellectual slavery.

BK
BK

Excellent article and idea. This is really the only way to take the power away from the Fed. Reserve. So many ask why it is so difficult to enforce our Constituion and end the F.R. The answer is simple. All power is centralized at this time by the two party system which neither is willing to rock the boat of their party. Both partys have members on the board of the Fed. Reserve and both partys owe their election and pet (pork) funding to the F.R, which keeps getting them reelected. The only way to change it is for each state to have their own currency and make Fed. Reserve notes obsolete. Then the people will be in control of our nations wealth or lack of wealth again. They have not mananged to completely defang our Constituion but God knows they have tried. Now is the perfect time for this move.

benrush
benrush

Another interesting site: runtogold.com Trace Meyer calls himself a "monetary scientist" and is worth reading

benrush
benrush

Simple solution: goldmoney.com
This is a quick and painless way you can own gold, silver, platinum, and pay your debts with it.

theunknownamerican
theunknownamerican

I looked at the wording of the public tender section in the constituiton and it is worded in a strange way. it says something like all debts are to be paid with gold or silver. I wonder if the founders intended for taxes to be paid with gold and silver currency so that governments would always use gold and silver as the currency. I wonder if someone has any more research on this.

Thank You.

Dave
Dave

We do not need to end the Fed, just stop using the "service". I do not believe trading metals is our best answer in a modern world. Metal is a commodity, so essentially it is akin to barter. Besides, since the US is energy dependent, the metals would end up pooling in oil rich countries, our wealth still drained.

In this era of electronic communications, private credit clearing establishments are possible.

The very heart of the matter concerns the ability of every productive individual to issue his own credit and not to be coerced by any third party to accept anothers debt. This is the basic fundamental of freedom.

The way it works is this. Credit is created in your account when you sell something, be it goods or your own labor. That credit is canceled by debit when you buy something. Participants can rate each other, sort of like ebay, on the smoothness of their transactions, providing a credit rating system.

Gold and silver can still be a store of value, but since its' supply can be manipulated, it should not be tied to the unit of value. The unit of value can still be called the dollar if we wish it to be.

The key to success no matter what currency we use is transparancy. All account balances must be open to view in order to transact. If one doen't want others to know the amount of credit they have accumulated, then they will need to purchase something and find a place of safe storage or invest.

@itsootsme
@itsootsme

Barter with ammunition, hee, hee. Money and Constitutional Preservative, all in one neat package!

Bruce Bessell
Bruce Bessell

return to Specie money, gold was good, and return the Fiat "money" to the FED marked, "Debt Paid In Full." The FED would rapidly disappear.

Cynthie
Cynthie

Wow, I'm excited to find this site. I thought I was alone crying in the dark! I have been talking about the FED to everyone I can as I have found out more and more. I am currently reading a very interesting book my father gave me twenty years ago that I blew off then. Sure wish I hadn't. Hopefully "better late than never" is a true truism! The book is The Unseen Hand by A. Ralph Epperson. It has almost 30 pages of footnotes and 7 pages of bibliography for documentation. Seems pretty impressive.

Stephen C
Stephen C

Ordo novus seclorum, right on the FRN bills! Amazing this forum already acknowledges the assassinations of various presidents as resulting from resisting the Fed. The question is which state is going to start? Where will the non-pampered politician arise to champion this cause and not be silenced from being ostracized or getting shot? Many troubling questions when the people elected to defend the Constitution are the ones who sell her out. America has always stood for the land of the free, the place where the corrupted practices of the old world were not. But now are! What will be done? Bravo to this site for its place in the discussion.

@itsootsme
@itsootsme

Utah has legislated that US gold and silver coins are now legal tender. As of March, 2011.

Ellen
Ellen

Thank you for pointing this out, Stephen (ordo novus seclorum)! I was not aware of this.

Jim C
Jim C

The Federal Reserve is not Federal and it has no Reserves. It is a criminal enterprise on a grand sacle designed to rob us in the most deceptive way possible, through currency manipulation and inflation. It is the source of economic slavery and the reason we have a standing army of tax collectors. It is an organization of proplr we didn;t elect who are completely unnaccounable to anyone. It has to go.

Dick Marple
Dick Marple

The current FRN's are NOT "Legal Tender". If one reads the original Act the FRN's were Restricted CIRCULATION between corporate FR banks as they were PRIVATE commercial paper.

When the Traitor, FDR used the "Trading with the Enemies Act" to make ALL AMERICAN citizens enemies of the foreign, Corporate United States, and Congress ratified HJR 192, the subsequent Congressional efforts authorized the GENERAL CIRCULATION of the FRN's as "Legal Tender" to the General Public and the printing of lower, 2.00, 5.00, 10.00, 20.00, 50.00, 100.00 denomination to accommodate the GENERAL PUBLIC.

Accordingly, it was HJR-192 that authorized the Fed to have the lower denomination notes
printed with the "Legal Tender" status printed thereon for the GENERAL CIRCULATION of the "notes".

Please note the citations in my page #7 letter to the Editors below that was published ONLY by the New Hampshire Gazette !
The New Hampshire Gazette
The Nation’s Oldest Newspaper™ • Editor: Steven Fowle • Founded 1756 by Daniel Fowle
PO Box 756, Portsmouth, NH 03802 • editors@nhgazette.com •www.nhgazette.com
Vol. CCLIII,
No. 11
February 27,
2009
Live Free! or Die
First Class U.S. Postage Paid
Portsmouth, N.H., Permit No. 75
Address Service Requested
4
Worthless Money
To the Editor:
Few people are aware that on
September 13, 1982 the sole
sponsor Peter Rodino of New
Jersey successfully received con-
gressional approval of the repeal
of HJR 192 and the President
signed the repeal into law. The
Public Law 97-258, and 96 Stat
1074 “Schedule of Laws Re-
pealed” clearly shows that Vol.
48, page 113 of June 5, 1933
(HJR-192) is hereby repealed!
What most people do not
know is that it was HJR 192 that
gave “legal tender” status to the
FRN’s as prior to HJR 192, the
FRN’s could only be circulated
exclusively between BANKS as
commercial paper! After HJR
192, the FRN’s became “legal
tender” status and were circulat-
ed to the general public without
the banks having to fulfill their
fiduciary duty of redeeming the
paper FRN’s with “Lawful mon-
ey,” gold coin. Repeal of HJR 192
now requires the banks to have
their reserve in gold and silver
coin. They do not, hence all banks
are essentially bankrupt! They
can not redeem paper for “law-
ful money.” Now with the repeal
of HJR 192 the 7th Amendment
has been restored in full as the
common law requires “Lawful
money” for common law courts
to adjudicate. The commercial
tribunals are essentially gone but
the fraud continues as long as the
people accept the frauds.
The paper FRN’s that are now
circulating have no value whatso-
ever, except that the uninformed
sheeple “accept” them, thus the
current financial chaos is a result
of the peoples ignorance. They all
want something for nothing and
capital can only be created by la-
bor! (Not printing presses)
I look forward to the complete
collapse of this fraud and the
sooner the better.
Dick Marple
Hooksett, New Hampshire
Republic
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Drake Bailey
Drake Bailey

A few people of Poland who were standing opposed to an IMF involvement were just shot down...
Kennedy was assassinated after signing an executive order for constitutionally based money...
Are ya gettin the picture here?
Diversification is the correct approach. State settlement banks would supply both diversification and be under state/peoples control.
All revenue, local, state, and federal are deposited and held in them. After the people are taken care of, disbursement is made.
After the initializations of these state settlement banks, then initiation of Constitutionally legal monies can be made.
It doesn't matter the method, the fed will not give up their control without a fight. So be ready to defend whatever form this takes. The fed will try to use force in order to keep their power, unless of course, no one has heard of the civil war...
The ideal of using 'certificates' of Gold/Silver has been used since the days of the Roman Empire, effectively too. The structure is very similar to the federal Silver Certificates we used to have.
A settlements bank of states is used to jockey Gold/Silver assets from state to state in a 'holding' area. Just like the federal/international bank in New York City.
I'll be forwarding this nationally and internationally through my network.
I am ever hopeful that the ideas here will catch on and become our new reality.

Kel
Kel

Wow! I totally appreciate what is being said here... End the Fed!... And be freakin' careful... We're talking about the same people that shot Lincoln, both Kennedy's and who knows how many brave congressional delegates...
Again I totally agree with what is being suggested here... and the fed kills people that are about to make changes to what it has as a power structure... they are not going to go quietly. So, yes, we must stop the Fed.... and it is possible that it must be done locally as in Ithaca NY... To go at them nationally is to provoke an ugly monster...

speakout
speakout

I read somewhere that the original contract that Congress signed with the Fed Reserve, has a buyout option at $450 million. Since they stole the nations gold in 1933 - $1.3 billion worth at the time, we can surely figure out what they owe US and then cancel their contract. Why should we be afraid of them.. There are only 545 people in Congress, etc in DC playing powerhouse,, and there are over 300 million of us! What are we waiting for? It's time the people spoke up and did something about it. The states pledged our money to the Federal government when they went bankrupt in 1933. The big question is, how much did they owe the Federal reserve at the time? We surely have paid it off by now being that the FR gets 6% interest on all the "money" they "lend" to the government. So, knowing that wars ALWAYS bankrupt countries, until we stop running around the world shaking the sword at everyone that is doing something we don't like, the debt will just pile up. Wars create debt, which makes the Fed Res profit!.

Sam
Sam

Should all states have the will, I am positive there is a way. The old saying; United we stand, divided we fall.

Dennis Richardson
Dennis Richardson

I support defending the Tenth Admendment and Ron Paul for president until I hear a good reason to do otherwise.

Jeff Rense is I believe the creator of the web site Educate-Yourself.org This web site is huge, I do not know if it is all conservative. It might be a good idea to pursue the information there about the British Tavistock Institute and their hiring of the Rand Corporation in 1950 to bring Antonio Gramsci philosophies of socialism to America and Columbia University by his friends in the 1930's . Was he the precurser of Sol Alinsky, I think so?

Work as if it all depends on us and pray as if it all depends on our great benefactor.

B. Johnson
B. Johnson

Great posts!

Since the following hasn't been mentioned yet concerning constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers to regulate banks, please consider.

You can see from Madison's notes of the debates at the Constitutional Convention that Dr. Franklin had suggested that a provision for canals be added after postal roads in what is now Clause 7 of Section 8.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_914.asp (search for canal)

However, delegates rejected Franklin's idea for canals the following reason. As you can see from the above link, Mr. King argued that Congress would then be regarded as having the power to establish a bank, powers which certain delegates didn't want Congress to have.

Jefferson later reflected on this discussion when he condemned Hamilton's idea for a national bank.

"It is known that the very power now proposed as a means was rejected as an end by the Convention which formed the Constitution. A proposition was made to them to authorize Congress to open canals, and an amendatory one to empower them to incorporate. But the whole was rejected, and one of the reasons for rejection urged in debate was, that then they would have a power to erect a bank, which would render the great cities, where there were prejudices and jealousies on the subject, adverse to the reception of the Constitution." --Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bank-tj.asp

The bottom line is this. I think that discussions at the Constitutional Convention which rejected banking powers for the federal government, evidenced by the references above, certainly trump Hamilton’s argument that the “necessary clause,” Clause 18 of Section 8, justifies Congress’s power to establish Hamilton’s national bank.

Finally, regardless that the states have never delegated the power to regulate banks to the federal government, phony federal power to do so actually based on perversions of the General Welfare and Commerce Clauses by activist justices in the 1940s, please consider the following.

The ideas presented in this blog are the best that the states can do until voters can do a “clean install” of pro-state sovereignty lamakers in both the federal and state legislatures in this year’s midterm elections. Then pro-state sovereignty lawmakers can start restoring state sovereignty by using their legislative votes to destroy the phony powers now wrongly associated with the Oval Office and Congress.

B. Johnson
B. Johnson

Great posts!

Since the following hasn't been mentioned yet concerning constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers to regulate banks, please consider.

You can see from Madison's notes of the debates at the Constitutional Convention that Dr. Franklin had suggested that a provision for canals be added after postal roads in what is now Clause 7 of Section 8.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_914.asp (search for canal)

However, delegates rejected Franklin's idea for canals the following reason. As you can see from the above link, Mr. King argued that Congress would then be regarded as having the power to establish a bank, powers which certain delegates didn't want Congress to have.

Jefferson later reflected on this discussion when he condemned Hamilton's idea for a national bank.

"It is known that the very power now proposed as a means was rejected as an end by the Convention which formed the Constitution. A proposition was made to them to authorize Congress to open canals, and an amendatory one to empower them to incorporate. But the whole was rejected, and one of the reasons for rejection urged in debate was, that then they would have a power to erect a bank, which would render the great cities, where there were prejudices and jealousies on the subject, adverse to the reception of the Constitution." --Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bank-tj.asp

The bottom line is this. I think that discussions at the Constitutional Convention which rejected banking powers for the federal government, evidenced by the references above, certainly trump Hamilton’s argument that the “necessary clause,” Clause 18 of Section 8, justifies Congress’s power to establish Hamilton’s national bank.

Finally, regardless that the states have never delegated the power to regulate banks to the federal government, phony federal power to do so actually based on perversions of the General Welfare and Commerce Clauses by activist justices in the 1940s, please consider the following.

The ideas presented in this blog are the best that the states can do until voters can do a “clean install” of pro-state sovereignty lamakers in both the federal and state legislatures in this year’s midterm elections. Then pro-state sovereignty lawmakers can start restoring state sovereignty by using their legislative votes to destroy the phony powers now wrongly associated with the Oval Office and Congress.

dave
dave

okay, how would that affect those of us that receive ss payments or any other payments from the federal government?

Travis Williams
Travis Williams

Why not deposit American Gold Buffalos, Canadian Gold Maple Leafs or South African Krugerrands? It's all gold.

Mike
Mike

The only problem that I see is the fact that money moves all over the world in a matter of minutes.

If I buy something from your company in California, and then you use that money to pay off a debt to a company in New York, and then that company loans the money to someone who uses it to buy a house in Texas, The gold would have to be transported between all of these places. If it has not, then you have done the exact thing that that the Federal Reserve note does. This creates a completely new system of the exact same thing - virtual money with no real currency that I can hold in my hand. I know I don't want my gold sitting in your bank account. I want it in mine.

I know that there has to be a way to do this, but I do not understand enough about this subject to be able to figure it out on my own. Someone please help!

suzanne
suzanne

Right on the other two replies here... and didn't it work as each suggests BEFORE the Federal Reserve -- paper currency-- but with gold and silver backing-- and no fractional banking?

asdf
asdf

If we have paper money that is BACKED by gold or silver, then it is completely different from federal reserve notes; this is not the same as "virtual" or fiat currency which can be printed indefinitely as you need to actually have the gold for which people will redeem their notes.

theunknownamerican
theunknownamerican

I believe banks make temporary loans to another in all cases where transfers are beyond the ability to phyiscially transfer those dollars. Then they collect at the end of the period which is why you see armored cars driving around with wads of cash being deliveered to different banks. I don't see why a similar system can't be done for gold and silver bullion.

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