Health Care Nullification: Things have just gotten underway

Dear Judy Burges. I just wanted to tell you that I saw an article in our local paper about the measure that you are trying to get through about President Obama having to prove his citizenship and just wanted to say MAY GOD BLESS YOU. I totally agree with your effort and cannot understand why this hasn't been started before now. Keep up the good work. I forgot to mention that I live in California and not Arizona.

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I just want to say that this is really extreme liberal thinking. If the entire American population keeps becoming this divded, the states will soon divide and America will fall. However, united we stand. This nullification reminds me of the time when States had nullified the right for blacks to go into the same school as whites. Give Obama a chance to show us what he can do. We voted him for president for change, and now we are too scared to accept it. Like he said, change is hard, but we as a nation need to move foward. It is no longer the government's fault, they are trying as hard as they can, but we need to give them a chance to work instead of going against them at every turn.

But on Health Care I don't know why it has to be so darn expensive, and like why can't old timers buy medicine from Canada... and well, why the heck can't we help our own citizens out for a change? I don't think a REASONABLE plan for the whole country should be too much to ask. It works for our Congress, ok. And they don't have to take the 100% paid for by the taxpayer plan - they can opt to stay on the wife's private plan if they like.

This whole hullabaloo about "socialism", I don't buy it. HealthCare execs, Insurance Companies and Big Pharma spent millions to crush this, both in the media and these so-called "astro-turf groups" (fake grassroots groups).

Of course the people that Ben Bernake reports to - want to make as much money as THEY can (on wars, robbing the Treasury, stock losses - what have you) before THEY -- FINALLY CRASH THE US DOLLAR (and our economy - fer good) AND REPLACE IT WITH THE "AMERO" ( a combined currency of USA, Canada & Mexico). This co-incides with THEIR plans for a NORTH AMERICA UNION (GOOGLE IT) combining our three (3) countries. [Started with Clinton & NAFTA, continued by "W" Bush (see: SPP Treaty: Security, Partnership & Prosperity agreement - effectively ERASING our borders North & South); and SURELY TO BE CONTINUED BY OBAMA (he's All ready and one (1) summit with both leaders of Canada & Mexico). ie. THEY WANT TO MAKE USA GO BROKE (for whatever EVIL purposes, bring on more Tyranny, etc); but conversely then - THEY make sure that social programs can't or won't exist by default. Billionaires LOVE this stuff - GOOGLE "The L - curve".

Anyway, I agree with this 10th Ammendment stuff (one of our last defenses) especially on the other issues on this blog like US Soveriegnty (touched upon above - NAU), and not more gun control based on a "Police State" model, etc.

And B) USA has the BEST Gov't Run HEALTHCARE in the ENTIRE WORLD! (aside from the fact that people like Medicare; which BTW they could have simply extended to older and younger people). THINK - where does every President and MOST of Congress go (including REPLICONS & Demorats) TO GET OPERATED ON? Bethesda Naval Hospital! The one of the BEST healthcare facility's around TOTALLY GOV'T RUN. In fact, U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell (Republicon) swearing a "NO" vote all along - just came back from surgery a few weeks ago at... you guessed it - Bethesda - PAID FOR BY YOU & ME THE TAXPAYERS! Come to think of it - why can't we ALL have the same Health Plan that Congress GETS?!

So A) They said this Reform bill would cost $800 billion over 10 years. Say that's true, for a moment - why so much noise about the cost when wars that we are currently in (and now THEY want more war! - see LIEberman calling for a pre-emtive strike on Yemen) cost Trillions and Trillions. On top of that, the criminal bailout of Wall Street has reached 4-6 Trillion; PLUS Obama's pledge to cover up to $23 Trillion in THEIR bad BETS! So a measly (I know, but still) - A measly $800 billion spread over 10 years is too much for something (if done right) is to HELP "The People"?!
I guess it's all about what do you want to spend our tax dollars on? Oil wars and fat cat greedy bankers?

I haven't read a lot about the final HealthCare bill but, I gather there's very little "reform" (as in watered down/lack of enforcement of any new rules) - and basically it's a huge giveaway to big insurance and big pharma; (the Lobbyists got their way). Essentially does nothing, actually it make healthcare worse & does nothing to slow the rising costs. And because it's a FAILURE from the start - it's will make any MEANINGFUL Reform later on that much more difficult to accomplish.

Having said all that - I for one would have liked to see a public option (not real expensive - that I could pay into; and not have to worry about pre-existing conditions); because I will be losing my healthcare plan I'm on now through no fault of my own.

I have communicated with my Washington State Legislators, calling their attention to the bill that passed both houses of the Arizona State Legislature that would Nullify Obamacare, urging them to copy it and introduce the same legislation here. I have an email distribution list of thousands of people nationwide and have urged them to do the same thing. We proved in 2005 that we CAN block Federal legislation, even when the President signs it into law when 20 States passed bills refusing to implement the REAL ID ACT. It went NOWHERE. Similarly, we HAVE THE TOOLS WE NEED to block "OBAMACARE" from going anywhere too! In FACT, we HAVE TO BLOCK IT. FAILURE is NOT an option! If we fail, Obamacare will trigger a Tsunami of illegal aliens that will break our BACKS economically. Moreover, huge numbers of MDs will QUIT because they honor their Hippocratic oaths and will refuse this Fedstapo red tape and dictatorial heavy handedness. That will create even BIGGER Dr.shortages and long lines than the flood of illegals into the system will. This poses a threat to our LIVES and we MUST stop it! NO MORE HAND WRINGING- WE KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!

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Thank you Tenth Amendment Center staff for working so hard to report on this very important subject. Keep up the great work!

Dear Brothers and Sisters, Sons and Daughters of Liberty,

There are only two types of human beings.

One type just wants everyone to leave everyone else alone and these humans are students and advocates of the Philosophically Mature Non-Aggression Principle.

The other type refuses to leave others alone and these humans are the Mobocracy Looter Minions with their hords of bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries that perpetuate the perpetration of the loot and booty gravy-train. Please help us and yourselves by ending the rob-peter-to-buy-paul's-vote bread and circuses of the doomed Amerikan Empire.

You are either the one...or the other.

The John Galt Solution of Starving The Monkeys is the only solution. Stop funding and forging your own chains and shackles. What are you leaving for your children, grandchildren, and humanity!?!

The Mobocracy Looter Minions must be allowed to consume everything around them, then each other, and finally themselves. There is no other way. Ayn Rand wrote about it over fifty years ago and it rings as soundly today as it did then.

Get your copy of Starving The Monkeys by Tom Baugh today, before the book is banned and the author is hunted down and Vince Fostered!

Sincerely,
John and Dagny Galt
Atlas Shrugged, Owner's Manual For The Universe!(tm)

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From Wisconsin and am enjoying this discussion. I am going to get on the 10/4 pledge and see what I can do here in this "blue" state to get the job done. Maybe awaken some who voted for Reagan and Bushes might do it. Hope so. Happy I ran into this site. Wonderful information.

Don't forget the Continental Congress 2009! Please sign the Pledge and Read the Articles of Freedom! lists of civic actions in each section! http://www.cc2009.us/aof

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RE: Health Care Nullification. This article is great!! I know there are things we ordinary citizens can do to get the process going in our states. I live in California and don't know if our rino Governor has any intention of fighting this health care debacle on a state level, as he is married to a Kennedy; some of the greatest socialists of our time. I am ready for a revolution to take our country back from the Communists in the white house!!

Michael,

You have it right concerning the strategy, we just need to implement the following suggested tactics;

1. Inform the state citizens about the nullification process.

2. Encourage them to put the pressure on the Governor and Legislators to enact meaningful nullification laws.

3. Encourage them to replace the politicians who will not comply with their wishes.

4. Inform them that the biggest hurdle to overcome is the noose of federal funding, and that they have to show the politicians how to deal with it.

5. Have them follow the nullification legislative process from introduction, to committee, to final vote, and keep the pressure on.

These are just a few general strategies, and know it will require a lot of planning and effort.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00000201----000-.html

Under TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 11 > § 201. Bribery of public officials and witnesses
(a) For the purpose of this section—
(1) the term “public official” means Member of Congress, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, either before or after such official has qualified, or an officer or employee or person acting for or on behalf of the United States, or any department, agency or branch of Government thereof, including the District of Columbia, in any official function, under or by authority of any such department, agency, or branch of Government, or a juror;

states that

(b) Whoever—
(1) directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
(A) to influence any official act; or
(B) to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;

Under such any member of congress in the house or senate should be held accountable for taking payoff to vote for the healthcare bill.

(c) Whoever—
(1) otherwise than as provided by law for the proper discharge of official duty—
(2) directly or indirectly, gives, offers, or promises anything of value to any person, for or because of the testimony under oath or affirmation given or to be given by such person as a witness upon a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, before any court, any committee of either House or both Houses of Congress, or any agency, commission, or officer authorized by the laws of the United States to hear evidence or take testimony, or for or because of such person’s absence therefrom;
(3) directly or indirectly, demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally for or because of the testimony under oath or affirmation given or to be given by such person as a witness upon any such trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or for or because of such person’s absence therefrom;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than two years, or both.

Also those that are proposing the offers should also he healed accountable.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00000201----000-.html

Under TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 11 > § 201. Bribery of public officials and witnesses
(a) For the purpose of this section—
(1) the term “public official” means Member of Congress, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, either before or after such official has qualified, or an officer or employee or person acting for or on behalf of the United States, or any department, agency or branch of Government thereof, including the District of Columbia, in any official function, under or by authority of any such department, agency, or branch of Government, or a juror;

states that

(b) Whoever—
(1) directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
(A) to influence any official act; or
(B) to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;

Under such any member of congress in the house or senate should be held accountable for taking payoff to vote for the healthcare bill.

(c) Whoever—
(1) otherwise than as provided by law for the proper discharge of official duty—
(2) directly or indirectly, gives, offers, or promises anything of value to any person, for or because of the testimony under oath or affirmation given or to be given by such person as a witness upon a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, before any court, any committee of either House or both Houses of Congress, or any agency, commission, or officer authorized by the laws of the United States to hear evidence or take testimony, or for or because of such person’s absence therefrom;
(3) directly or indirectly, demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally for or because of the testimony under oath or affirmation given or to be given by such person as a witness upon any such trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or for or because of such person’s absence therefrom;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than two years, or both.

Also those that are proposing the offers should also he healed accountable.

What law allows congress to create health care? This is a fine test for the tenth amendment.
It would be great if each state came up with their own heath care legislation.
The national media could scrutinize and the public could learn about each one. We would see implemented 50 different plans. Time and experience would scrutinize all of them. We would learn from experience.
The reason why this natural ingenuity isn’t happening is two-fold. Both the federal government and the incorporation of towns by state constitutions with local officials have weakened the state government; and the federal government is devised to discourage bad impetus by states, as opposed to encouraging good impetus. This is so if you derive the nature of federal authority as initially incepted to, 1) keep the states from warring each other over disputed (Indian) territory, 2) Provide a large navy, and conscript a general army to protect us effectively from France, Spain, England and Indians and 3) Eliminate the duties and tariff states might impose on each other that would hinder trade.

If the states exhaust all their legal remedies and we need to fall back on nullification, will it work and has it ever worked or is it a theory. I am afraid this might be where it is heading.

She sure has, T. And, she's a signer of our 10-4 Pledge!

Our Texas Chapter should be posting an interview with Medina in the near future. Stay informed of their efforts here:

http://texas.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

Debra Medina for Texas Governor has been talking about nullification for a long time. get the word out www.medinafortexas.com

How many of you (us) are aware of the 2d paragraph of Article IV of the US Constitution? Here's a little reminder:

The Constitution of the United States as we know it. is not really a document that established a true federal government. To observe my reasoning, I invite you to read carefully the second paragraph of  Article. IV as quoted following:

    "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

This "Federal Preemption" is the subject of an entire volume of the same name [Federal Preemption: States' Powers, National Interests, Editors Richard A Epstein and Michael S Greve, The AEI Press (Publishers for the American Enterprise Institute) Washington DC, 2007]

I am thankful for the multitudes that have been involved in the "Tea Parties". I am thankful for the People who have come alive that were hitherto disinterested because of complacency, now, they see our Beloved Country is on the "chopping block" and they have said what can we DO.
To all of you who have done "something", you will have your reward. God sees your work and He does not let those things go.
Two Words must be in the Vocabulary of American Legislators at all levels:

1. REVERSE - 1963 Supreme Court ruling given to the Atheist O'Hare to remove Prayer and Bible reading from the Public Schools. Public School authority belongs at the LOCAL level not State or Federal. LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS funded by LOCAL taxpayers NOT STATE or FEDERAL GRANTS. The LOCAL folks will once again come under the "Fear of God" which built this Beloved Nation. The Ten Commandments in the Public Schools will bring back the "Fear of God" - God sees what you do in the dark and you will give an account to Him.

2. REPEAL - All laws contrary to the CONSTITUTIONS, whether it is State or Federal, SHALL be REPEALED. Our Liberty must be in our FOUNDATIONAL law given to us by God-fearing men who LOVED their people.

This new VOCABULARY will give us back our Beloved Country.

For God & Country
Ruth Ann Wilson

Micheal-I had to come back and read your article to some friends and family members as we talked on the phone. I have to say this is your best and most important one to date!

I have to agree that we missed our boat but the way our system is set up another boat can come along and sink the first one if enough people get on the second boat.

I advocate electing people to office who have no prior experience. I myself have decided to run but people like the comfort of a well worn pair of shoes. Professional politicians are only as good as it takes them to be replaced by someone else or run the time of a term limit. Attorneys should be banned completely from holding office because by their very nature they just can't help taking advantage of a legal situation they have control over. They use their law degree to take us to the cleaners. Ever wonder why simple laws are so complicated? Smoke and mirrors. They throw all that legal jargon in there to confuse the people. Vote yes on No kind of stuff.

I will believe America has a chance when people step up and support common ordinary people like me who are willing to stake their lives in order to ensure the Republic endures instead of quasi celebrities and talking heads with empty suits.
johndummett4senate.us

Yes I agree, while fighting on the National front, let us also remember to win the battles on the Local and State fronts as well. If we take back our States, nothing the Feds say or do can stop us.

I encourage everyone to know who represents you on the State and local Levels as well as the National. Find out what they stand for, look and see who is on the School board, and what they believe. Make every vote count on every level and a wise one. We need to take back every square inch of our governments on every level, and that requires informing yourselves on who you think the best man or woman for the jobs are.

I wrote to my reps in the NJ General Assembly (one of whom is a co-sponsor of a state sovereignty resolution here) and State Senator tonight. I'm praying it makes a difference, and to the extent possible, I'll be encouraging others in my state and others to do so.

Michael- I could not agree more. Begging the reprobates to stop usurping power is pointless and an insult to the principle of representative government. Only slaves beg government to stop oppressing them.

Mike
I agree with your thoughts on 'State Nullification' however-some States are totally diferent than others. There 's Dark Blue Lib States and there are Dark Red States with different mindsets. I live in CT, well run Tea Party movement but it would be hard to get enough People on board with 'Nullification'. Unless the big 'O' crosses the line, and there is a line that if crossed there will be great friction!! Otherwise I will learn and do what I can, maybe in time move to a 'Nullification' State. But I see civil unrest anyway because people are too Pissed!!!!
And this is only after one year of this guy in office,my advice -get Prepared!!!!! Mike keep on with the knowledge we all need it and guidance......Thanks!!!!

Dear readers and Mr. Boldin,

Please do not assume I don’t agree with Mr. Boldin, because he does have a very good plan. However, MONEY is the bottom line of America’s problem. It begins with the international bankers buying up corporate control, politicians at Federal, State, AND local level, through the implementation of U.N. Agenda 21s various organizations and of course the never ending mind bending of our Nation’s so called citizens, by public education, and the media industries. If this Nation will listen to anything, it will be the withdrawal of millions of people from the banking and retail industries. STOP BUYING EVERYTHING!!! Take your money out of the banks; pay your necessary bills with money orders. Sit tight, and watch the shit hit the fan. OldDog said that!!!
olddog@morrisbb.net

absolutely correct,when the federal government becomes unconstittional, and not a reprasentative of us the people, the people have a right to not only nullify a law, but to de-elect reprasentatives and to change the government. It is truly up to us. you can not have fear. they actually fear us, until they take the 2nd ammendment away which they desperately attempt to subvert through media, as well as many other factors on a daily basis

I don't know what is the best way to nullify these bills but has anyone looked into what some districts did in Texas to nullify social security. I've heard some districts opted out and are on their own social security plan that is better. I'm not sure what the details are but perhaps that can point us in the right direction.

I'll get to that 10-4 pledge as soon as I can read it. Anything to do with States rights and Nullification is OK by me. In fact 1861 was the last time the People of the United States locked horns over this issue. The people then who had real guts happend to be demonized and a lot of them died over the principle of a weak federal government. They had Lincoln now we have Obama. Who will trash the Constitution worse and who will be the bigger tyrant?

I don't see how nullification is going to work if the IRS is going to charge your premiums to your taxes-which it is.

You can refuse government healthcare but you are still going to pay for it...like the schools, if you have no kids

Go to recallnow.org. Page down to 28th ammendment and contact me or your state legislator to support the idea of immediate effect. You can start it in your area.

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Could you please inform me as to why a comment would be deleted. I have made a post that is on topic and nothing offensive is in it.

Any reason

Nice, but no cigar...
As long as there is obligation to 'The System' at whatever level, thou shalt comply.
Only by stepping outside 'The System' can these goals be accomplished.
In legality, either an individual extricates themselves or the 'State' secedes.
Acceptance gives the right of control, like it or not. That means any acceptance from the fed, etc.
This could/can be done only by a full divorcement between the two parties involved.
IF anyone were to hold the officers of our government to account for their actions, then forward progress could be made and very quickly.
Yes, there are several of 'us' working on these very things.
As I have advocated, 'We The People' need a lot less talk and a lot more action!!!
Somebody already said somethin bout that very thing...so I'm letting all ya-all know about it.
The base legalities have already been used and accepted.
We'll see.

EVERYONE ON HERE, INCLUDING ME, IS A REACTIONERY, SCARED-STIFF SLUG. WE ARE ALL BEING TOLD, EVEN BY THE TENTH AMENDMENT GROUP, TO GO TO LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT TO NULLIFY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT.

WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be heard and represented. WE THE PEOPLE have talked to our Congress and were not heard. WE THE PEOPLE will talk to Local and State leaders and will not be heard!! TALKING DOES NOT WORK against these people - they are the enemy of WE THE PEOPLE. All this talking is bull-crap. Even this Tenth Amendment group still wants to talk to these enemy yo-yos.

Prime Minister Chamberlin talked with Hitler. Talking is a weakness, a disease, with these people.

WE THE PEOPLE are a bunch of whiners, all of us are afraid of ACTION, so shut the hell up and accept the consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11