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		<title>By: Presidential Tyranny 2.0: Executive Power as the Enemy of Freedom &#124; The Ruthless Truth blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: reevest001</title>
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		<dc:creator>reevest001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree Michael, 
   We as a nation have been at a virtually neverending state of war since 1942, and the last time congress fulfilled its duty of a declaration of war was ww2.  This needs to end, and we can help by recalling our states respective national guards (since no declaration of war has been made).  If it is worthy of expending American blood or treasure, it desearves a declaration of war.  A non-stop war results in continuous giveaways of rights. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Michael,<br />
   We as a nation have been at a virtually neverending state of war since 1942, and the last time congress fulfilled its duty of a declaration of war was ww2.  This needs to end, and we can help by recalling our states respective national guards (since no declaration of war has been made).  If it is worthy of expending American blood or treasure, it desearves a declaration of war.  A non-stop war results in continuous giveaways of rights. </p>
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		<title>By: r4 dsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>r4 dsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The concentration of power in the executive branch has indeed been increasing for decades. But to personalize this is a mistake. Looking to electing a white knight does not solve the fundamental problem. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concentration of power in the executive branch has indeed been increasing for decades. But to personalize this is a mistake. Looking to electing a white knight does not solve the fundamental problem. </p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/11/30/presidential-tyranny-20/comment-page-1/#comment-294929</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ 
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Vote for NOBODY 
 
NOBODY will keep election promises 
 
NOBODY will listen to your concerns 
 
NOBODY will help the poor and unemployed 
 
NOBODY cares ! 
 
If NOBODY is elected things will be better for everyone 
 
NOBODY TELLS THE TRUTH ]]></description>
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<p>Vote for NOBODY </p>
<p>NOBODY will keep election promises </p>
<p>NOBODY will listen to your concerns </p>
<p>NOBODY will help the poor and unemployed </p>
<p>NOBODY cares ! </p>
<p>If NOBODY is elected things will be better for everyone </p>
<p>NOBODY TELLS THE TRUTH </p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/11/30/presidential-tyranny-20/comment-page-1/#comment-294911</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s more from the 110 year old book: 
Does any of this sound familiar to you: 
 
 
&quot;The opportunities for productive work, the resources of nature have been grabbed.  You cannot get pay enough or make a profit enough to enable you to get a foothold.  The biggest fellows get a monopoly ahead of you every time.  They have gobbled up the sugar lands, the grazing lands, the timber lands, the building sites, the coal seams, the iron ore lands, the street car franchises, the patents, the banking charters.  
 
You will read in newspapers and in books and hear from the pulpits that they were more industrious and enterprising and frugal and that you might be as they are :  that it is all &quot;the survival of the fittest!&quot;  Nonsense !  there is room for a few on top of you and the few monopolists are quite willing to pay editors, by advertisements and in other ways, and to support clergymen to flatter them by teaching that we should all be contented with that arrangement. &quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s more from the 110 year old book:<br />
Does any of this sound familiar to you: </p>
<p>&quot;The opportunities for productive work, the resources of nature have been grabbed.  You cannot get pay enough or make a profit enough to enable you to get a foothold.  The biggest fellows get a monopoly ahead of you every time.  They have gobbled up the sugar lands, the grazing lands, the timber lands, the building sites, the coal seams, the iron ore lands, the street car franchises, the patents, the banking charters.  </p>
<p>You will read in newspapers and in books and hear from the pulpits that they were more industrious and enterprising and frugal and that you might be as they are :  that it is all &quot;the survival of the fittest!&quot;  Nonsense !  there is room for a few on top of you and the few monopolists are quite willing to pay editors, by advertisements and in other ways, and to support clergymen to flatter them by teaching that we should all be contented with that arrangement. &quot; </p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following was taken from a book written over 110 years ago...   My  my...  how things never change 
 
&quot;To overthrow the gigantic system of plunder from which we suffer we have only to contend with the &quot;privileged classes.&quot;  How many are they ?  ...the Hills, Morgans, Gormans, Murphys&quot;  
 
&quot;Our votes elect the legislatures who give these men their power.  Our labor creates the wealth which these men take.  Our authority puts these men in control of the government, the courts, the army and the police. &quot; 
 
&quot;This work is written to set you thinking what you want and how to get it.  If you want other people&#039;s money do not be too particular about how you get it.  Slave, make use of your acquaintances, skimp, gamble with loaded dice, marry rich, invest in land, overreach, lie in with the rich, do criminal jobs for the strong who will protect you from the courts; make yourself solid, &quot;get wisdom&quot; the skill of the hands, &quot;get knowledge,&quot; the training of the mind, and &quot;with all thy getting, get&quot; a monopoly.  For the higher understanding will only be a hindrance to financial success under present conditions.  &quot;A tender conscience is a disqualification to success.&quot; 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was taken from a book written over 110 years ago&#8230;   My  my&#8230;  how things never change </p>
<p>&quot;To overthrow the gigantic system of plunder from which we suffer we have only to contend with the &quot;privileged classes.&quot;  How many are they ?  &#8230;the Hills, Morgans, Gormans, Murphys&quot;  </p>
<p>&quot;Our votes elect the legislatures who give these men their power.  Our labor creates the wealth which these men take.  Our authority puts these men in control of the government, the courts, the army and the police. &quot; </p>
<p>&quot;This work is written to set you thinking what you want and how to get it.  If you want other people&#039;s money do not be too particular about how you get it.  Slave, make use of your acquaintances, skimp, gamble with loaded dice, marry rich, invest in land, overreach, lie in with the rich, do criminal jobs for the strong who will protect you from the courts; make yourself solid, &quot;get wisdom&quot; the skill of the hands, &quot;get knowledge,&quot; the training of the mind, and &quot;with all thy getting, get&quot; a monopoly.  For the higher understanding will only be a hindrance to financial success under present conditions.  &quot;A tender conscience is a disqualification to success.&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: philip a farruggio</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip a farruggio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the important thing for anyone reading this is: are you speaking out? how? well, the best and easiest way to be heard and seen is to do what we do here in central florida each week. we stand on the street corners of our town with appropriate signs, and let our neighbors know what we stand for. i counted cars the other day ( we&#039;ve been out there , some of us, for 5 years straight now ) and found that over 100 cars go by us every FIVE MINUTES! thus, we get lots of folks to read what we hold in our hands. folks, if only each town and neighborhood in each of our cities would have folks on street corners in peaceful protest.... then maybe what david writes about will come to pass. elected officials, for the most part, ONLY CARE ABOUT BEING RE-ELECTED.... THEY GO WITH THE &#039; POLITICAL WEATHER &#039; OF THE DAY.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the important thing for anyone reading this is: are you speaking out? how? well, the best and easiest way to be heard and seen is to do what we do here in central florida each week. we stand on the street corners of our town with appropriate signs, and let our neighbors know what we stand for. i counted cars the other day ( we&#039;ve been out there , some of us, for 5 years straight now ) and found that over 100 cars go by us every FIVE MINUTES! thus, we get lots of folks to read what we hold in our hands. folks, if only each town and neighborhood in each of our cities would have folks on street corners in peaceful protest&#8230;. then maybe what david writes about will come to pass. elected officials, for the most part, ONLY CARE ABOUT BEING RE-ELECTED&#8230;. THEY GO WITH THE &#039; POLITICAL WEATHER &#039; OF THE DAY.  </p>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this, while I think it may go a bit too far in some areas, maybe in the interest of enforcing the constitution it might be a good idea to amendment the constitution with this simple line: 
 
&quot;The president shall not have the power to pardon any person for act in which they themselves were involved.&quot; 
 
Of course no one can be expected to give back any power, it goes against the very nature of how power corrupts people, the system must enforce itself by relying upon the other party&#039;s, namely the ones who stand to lose the ability to enforce the constitution. 
 
 
PS: the house was given the power of the purse because originally the federal power to tax directly was directly related to the population of the state, and thus giving the house executive power of the purse in originating bills they keep the power to spend in sync with the power to tax.  
 
While even then before they broke the tax relationship with the 17th amendment this was obviously not a perfect sync, it was a far better sync then what we now have. 
 
 
As to what I disagree with on is the matter of what constitutes torches, if Congressional law defined water boarding and everything else they did as torches then while the president must yield to the laws definition, I must disagree with the law. 
 
I must also still contend the vote to Authorization of the uses of force as a defacto deceleration of war, as what is war if it is not the uses of force against an external nation/organization.  While you may demand more explicit language, and I conseed that is reasonable and should have been adopted, I also See very little  practical difference. 
 
Even the point that War can only be declared on defined and recognized states is some what pointless given what is and is not a state is a matter of arbitrary opinion always has been.   That&#039;s why getting recognition is such an issue for new country. 
 
So if that is to be the constitutional standard requirement for a deceleration of war it is important that we define a nation or country as something which we do not necessary recognize as such and yet is still capable of waging war upon us, requiring a likewise external response to stop them. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, while I think it may go a bit too far in some areas, maybe in the interest of enforcing the constitution it might be a good idea to amendment the constitution with this simple line: </p>
<p>&quot;The president shall not have the power to pardon any person for act in which they themselves were involved.&quot; </p>
<p>Of course no one can be expected to give back any power, it goes against the very nature of how power corrupts people, the system must enforce itself by relying upon the other party&#39;s, namely the ones who stand to lose the ability to enforce the constitution. </p>
<p>PS: the house was given the power of the purse because originally the federal power to tax directly was directly related to the population of the state, and thus giving the house executive power of the purse in originating bills they keep the power to spend in sync with the power to tax.  </p>
<p>While even then before they broke the tax relationship with the 17th amendment this was obviously not a perfect sync, it was a far better sync then what we now have. </p>
<p>As to what I disagree with on is the matter of what constitutes torches, if Congressional law defined water boarding and everything else they did as torches then while the president must yield to the laws definition, I must disagree with the law. </p>
<p>I must also still contend the vote to Authorization of the uses of force as a defacto deceleration of war, as what is war if it is not the uses of force against an external nation/organization.  While you may demand more explicit language, and I conseed that is reasonable and should have been adopted, I also See very little  practical difference. </p>
<p>Even the point that War can only be declared on defined and recognized states is some what pointless given what is and is not a state is a matter of arbitrary opinion always has been.   That&#39;s why getting recognition is such an issue for new country. </p>
<p>So if that is to be the constitutional standard requirement for a deceleration of war it is important that we define a nation or country as something which we do not necessary recognize as such and yet is still capable of waging war upon us, requiring a likewise external response to stop them. </p>
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		<title>By: MichaelBoldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelBoldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who think the problems we face today started in January 2009 - or ended then, for that matter - couldn&#039;t be more off base... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who think the problems we face today started in January 2009 &#8211; or ended then, for that matter &#8211; couldn&#39;t be more off base&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the problem ambulatory presents in enabling congressmen and the president to be lax in thier responsibility to uses only the power/rights given to them in the Constitution, it is clearly that procedure should require some form of direct reference to the U.S. Constitution as to clearly show that their intentions were constitutional. 
 
I beleive a congressman has proposed passing a rule that would require that specification, perhaps we should get behind that. as a procedure that might HELP congress stick with in their bounds or at the very least help us more clearly and less ambiguity identify when they fail to do so. 
 
The problems that result from that failure, are of course as extremely serous as you say they are. 
 
 if my possible interpenetration were &quot;put into place&quot; the sittuation would not be between iraq and congress but rather iraq and the head of state of the United States which is the presdent who acts on behalf of and in execution of congresses laws.  In this case congresses decleration of war and altermatime. 
 
 
I agree this is shakey ground, and generaly bad policy to carry out our functions due to the above problems of constitutional anarchy which can come form such a vage excution process, but it is intheory a ligitimate excitation of the law.   IF we assume that congress does not need to explicitly reference constitutional power words like declare war, to actually declare war.(the generally bad procedure in question) 
 
 
The other question is exactly what is a war?  What can a war be declare against?  Exactly how must a war be declared? 
 
All of theses things cold uses a hard concrete definition, as to eliminate the ambiguity with regard to whether or not our constitution is being upheld in this regard, and if not exactly how and where. 
 
 I suspect we will require linguistic research as well as past historical prescient traditions in reference to the same to get a better more concretely nailed down explanation and thus verification procedure. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the problem ambulatory presents in enabling congressmen and the president to be lax in thier responsibility to uses only the power/rights given to them in the Constitution, it is clearly that procedure should require some form of direct reference to the U.S. Constitution as to clearly show that their intentions were constitutional. </p>
<p>I beleive a congressman has proposed passing a rule that would require that specification, perhaps we should get behind that. as a procedure that might HELP congress stick with in their bounds or at the very least help us more clearly and less ambiguity identify when they fail to do so. </p>
<p>The problems that result from that failure, are of course as extremely serous as you say they are. </p>
<p> if my possible interpenetration were &quot;put into place&quot; the sittuation would not be between iraq and congress but rather iraq and the head of state of the United States which is the presdent who acts on behalf of and in execution of congresses laws.  In this case congresses decleration of war and altermatime. </p>
<p>I agree this is shakey ground, and generaly bad policy to carry out our functions due to the above problems of constitutional anarchy which can come form such a vage excution process, but it is intheory a ligitimate excitation of the law.   IF we assume that congress does not need to explicitly reference constitutional power words like declare war, to actually declare war.(the generally bad procedure in question) </p>
<p>The other question is exactly what is a war?  What can a war be declare against?  Exactly how must a war be declared? </p>
<p>All of theses things cold uses a hard concrete definition, as to eliminate the ambiguity with regard to whether or not our constitution is being upheld in this regard, and if not exactly how and where. </p>
<p> I suspect we will require linguistic research as well as past historical prescient traditions in reference to the same to get a better more concretely nailed down explanation and thus verification procedure. </p>
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