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	<title>Comments on: The Founders&#8217; Antipathy to Militarism</title>
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		<title>By: Nature still. Lose the screens. &#124; Betsy Dewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nature still. Lose the screens. &#124; Betsy Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Philosopherking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philosopherking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m saying they are trying to appeal to national self-interest that conservatives might have while liberals appeal to international obligations.   The left hates self-interest of any kind which is why when reasons for fighting a war for national self-interest are presented they cry about not getting the UN permission.   Its like they are saying that if you bomb thousands of people to death without any self-interest then it is OK but if you do it for national self-interest then it is wrong.   Its like they object to it for that reason alone since the number of deaths don&#039;t change for either reason.   
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m saying they are trying to appeal to national self-interest that conservatives might have while liberals appeal to international obligations.   The left hates self-interest of any kind which is why when reasons for fighting a war for national self-interest are presented they cry about not getting the UN permission.   Its like they are saying that if you bomb thousands of people to death without any self-interest then it is OK but if you do it for national self-interest then it is wrong.   Its like they object to it for that reason alone since the number of deaths don&#039;t change for either reason.   </p>
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		<title>By: MichaelBoldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelBoldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both sides are liars and opportunists - and neither follow the founders advice or the constitution. </description>
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		<title>By: Philosopherking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philosopherking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to find that conservatives will at least try to say that foreign wars are for America&#039;s interest.  Bush said that during the Iraq invasion but liberals go and fight foreign wars for reasons that don&#039;t involve America&#039;s interest.   I give you Bosnia as an example.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to find that conservatives will at least try to say that foreign wars are for America&#039;s interest.  Bush said that during the Iraq invasion but liberals go and fight foreign wars for reasons that don&#039;t involve America&#039;s interest.   I give you Bosnia as an example.     </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen DiGiacomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen DiGiacomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct.  And none of the news media execute their duties from a constitutional perspective.  For starters I have never seen ONE report on any of the petitions for redress of grievance which have been served on the government. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct.  And none of the news media execute their duties from a constitutional perspective.  For starters I have never seen ONE report on any of the petitions for redress of grievance which have been served on the government. </p>
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		<title>By: Tea Party Goofballs at Colonial Tourist Trap Hope Actor Playing George Washington Can Save Them &#171; SpeakEasy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about debt because the Constitution!Â And here&#8217;s last year&#8217;s spending:Here&#8217;s James Madison:Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 10th Amendment 101: Essential Reading for Tenthers&#160;&#124;&#160;California Tenth Amendment Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>10th Amendment 101: Essential Reading for Tenthers&#160;&#124;&#160;California Tenth Amendment Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.A.B.  If we really wanted to go to a minimalist non-interventionist approached all we really need is our nuclear arsenal and the National guard (with basic military capabilities).

Anyone that screws with us we respond by obliterating them. In such a situation the National Guard would be used for clean up of what was left.

The Nuclear arsenal could be maintained under the Navy and various state National Guard silos kind of like the missile defense fittingly â€œminute menâ€.  While the military equipment is basically off the shelf stuff, regularly bought to service the duel roll of the National Guard.  The only real problem is the fact that we need Labs (to maintain the Nuclear Arsenal.(they got shelf lives)   I would agree in terms of the modern world  simply going without such a thing wonâ€™t cut it anymore, when enemies can wage massive lighting wars across States with weapons that can quickly devastate all.  We need nuclear deterrent capability.  Beyond that we donâ€™t â€œneedâ€ much else strictly speaking, because once you have nuked your enemy back to the stone age there is not all that much left to fight and your main problem is the probably nuclear devastation here at home. 

There is of course a possibility that their army escapes the devastation and rather then returning home to rebuild their country continues with an invasion.  In which case they will be ill-supplied, and running on browed time due to their homeland being in no position to supply or reinforce them.  To deal with that reckless revenge assault we need only a scorch earth / delaying strategy of attrition.  Knowing that its only a matter of time before their army falls apart due to having no base of support.

We merely have to outlast them while denying them any new base of support, the National guard even equipped with inferior weapons and numbers could accomplish that goal using a variety of techniques primarily rooted from our home field advantage. (The name of the game is denial of resources (no new supplies) and avoidance of direct encounters until their inevitable supply based collapse, not head on conflict.  IE: Guerrilla War.)




Michael Boldin  as you well know, commerce power of the Federal government is power over trade between States with each other, foreign States, and Indian tribes.  I honestly do not think there is a lot to discuss there other then that power being a far more limited power then the all encompassing power the court after the 1930â€™s clamed it to be.

In any case the scope of our disagreement is on relatively small and minor issues, nothing to write home or to each other about, I am clearly the inferior party here only making suggestions for consideration.  I do not pretend to know more about this then you or have any right to decide policy or topic.  I apologize for my outburst on such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.A.B.  If we really wanted to go to a minimalist non-interventionist approached all we really need is our nuclear arsenal and the National guard (with basic military capabilities).</p>
<p>Anyone that screws with us we respond by obliterating them. In such a situation the National Guard would be used for clean up of what was left.</p>
<p>The Nuclear arsenal could be maintained under the Navy and various state National Guard silos kind of like the missile defense fittingly â€œminute menâ€.  While the military equipment is basically off the shelf stuff, regularly bought to service the duel roll of the National Guard.  The only real problem is the fact that we need Labs (to maintain the Nuclear Arsenal.(they got shelf lives)   I would agree in terms of the modern world  simply going without such a thing wonâ€™t cut it anymore, when enemies can wage massive lighting wars across States with weapons that can quickly devastate all.  We need nuclear deterrent capability.  Beyond that we donâ€™t â€œneedâ€ much else strictly speaking, because once you have nuked your enemy back to the stone age there is not all that much left to fight and your main problem is the probably nuclear devastation here at home. </p>
<p>There is of course a possibility that their army escapes the devastation and rather then returning home to rebuild their country continues with an invasion.  In which case they will be ill-supplied, and running on browed time due to their homeland being in no position to supply or reinforce them.  To deal with that reckless revenge assault we need only a scorch earth / delaying strategy of attrition.  Knowing that its only a matter of time before their army falls apart due to having no base of support.</p>
<p>We merely have to outlast them while denying them any new base of support, the National guard even equipped with inferior weapons and numbers could accomplish that goal using a variety of techniques primarily rooted from our home field advantage. (The name of the game is denial of resources (no new supplies) and avoidance of direct encounters until their inevitable supply based collapse, not head on conflict.  IE: Guerrilla War.)</p>
<p>Michael Boldin  as you well know, commerce power of the Federal government is power over trade between States with each other, foreign States, and Indian tribes.  I honestly do not think there is a lot to discuss there other then that power being a far more limited power then the all encompassing power the court after the 1930â€™s clamed it to be.</p>
<p>In any case the scope of our disagreement is on relatively small and minor issues, nothing to write home or to each other about, I am clearly the inferior party here only making suggestions for consideration.  I do not pretend to know more about this then you or have any right to decide policy or topic.  I apologize for my outburst on such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.A.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I firmly believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy, the world has changed so drastically since the time the Constitution was written that it is imperative that we maintain at least a minimum &quot;military-industrial&quot; capacity. For instance, someone mentioned that so many people are employed in factories that manufacture weapons. However, many of the weapons that the military uses have no uses in the civilian world. Who besides the government uses rockets and missiles? And nuclear weapons? I am certain the United States would be totally destroyed by an unapologetic and gleeful enemy (or enemies) if we lost our ability to produce (and, if necessary, use) nuclear weapons. It is imperative for national survival that we still maintain the capability to produce modern weapons.

&quot;Speak softly, but carry a big stick.&quot; I for one would certainly like to see a government that lives out this phrase: consistently and reliably funding a well-equipped and capable military, while using it for defensive purposes only. However, like so many other things, this philosophy is not found in either major political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I firmly believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy, the world has changed so drastically since the time the Constitution was written that it is imperative that we maintain at least a minimum &#8220;military-industrial&#8221; capacity. For instance, someone mentioned that so many people are employed in factories that manufacture weapons. However, many of the weapons that the military uses have no uses in the civilian world. Who besides the government uses rockets and missiles? And nuclear weapons? I am certain the United States would be totally destroyed by an unapologetic and gleeful enemy (or enemies) if we lost our ability to produce (and, if necessary, use) nuclear weapons. It is imperative for national survival that we still maintain the capability to produce modern weapons.</p>
<p>&#8220;Speak softly, but carry a big stick.&#8221; I for one would certainly like to see a government that lives out this phrase: consistently and reliably funding a well-equipped and capable military, while using it for defensive purposes only. However, like so many other things, this philosophy is not found in either major political party.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monorprise, no need to apologize - your thoughts and input are certainly appreciated...even though we disagree!

But, foreign policy - and any policy conducted by the federal government is open for discussion on a website dedicated to constitutional governance.  Otherwise, are you claiming that we shouldn&#039;t discuss the commerce power?  The federal government is clearly authorized to regulate commerce - so should we just ignore how they use that power to make sure we don&#039;t alienate a certain subset of people who might be supporters?  

The thing is - the Tenth Amendment Center is not a political party - so our goal is not to do what&#039;s most politically prudent. It&#039;s to provide a forum for education on what is the proper role of the federal government.  Where the constitution is clear, that&#039;s easy.  But where it&#039;s not explicit, the debates around the constitution and the explanations and advice of the founders themselves is essential.

As can be seen in this article and elsewhere, the founders were seriously concerned about the war powers - and foreign policy.  It received considerable discussion not only in the ratifying conventions, but in advocates of the constitution - the federalist papers too. 

If there was something other than a near-consensus from on the founders and ratifiers on how these powers should be used by the federal government, then it would make sense to provide examples from them on how &quot;aggressive&quot; or &quot;offensive&quot; war should be used as a policy tool of the government.   If you can find anything in line with that in the debates over the constitution, the ratifying conventions, the federalist and anti-federalist papers and the like - I encourage you to point that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monorprise, no need to apologize &#8211; your thoughts and input are certainly appreciated&#8230;even though we disagree!</p>
<p>But, foreign policy &#8211; and any policy conducted by the federal government is open for discussion on a website dedicated to constitutional governance.  Otherwise, are you claiming that we shouldn&#8217;t discuss the commerce power?  The federal government is clearly authorized to regulate commerce &#8211; so should we just ignore how they use that power to make sure we don&#8217;t alienate a certain subset of people who might be supporters?  </p>
<p>The thing is &#8211; the Tenth Amendment Center is not a political party &#8211; so our goal is not to do what&#8217;s most politically prudent. It&#8217;s to provide a forum for education on what is the proper role of the federal government.  Where the constitution is clear, that&#8217;s easy.  But where it&#8217;s not explicit, the debates around the constitution and the explanations and advice of the founders themselves is essential.</p>
<p>As can be seen in this article and elsewhere, the founders were seriously concerned about the war powers &#8211; and foreign policy.  It received considerable discussion not only in the ratifying conventions, but in advocates of the constitution &#8211; the federalist papers too. </p>
<p>If there was something other than a near-consensus from on the founders and ratifiers on how these powers should be used by the federal government, then it would make sense to provide examples from them on how &#8220;aggressive&#8221; or &#8220;offensive&#8221; war should be used as a policy tool of the government.   If you can find anything in line with that in the debates over the constitution, the ratifying conventions, the federalist and anti-federalist papers and the like &#8211; I encourage you to point that out.</p>
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