The Federal Government is NOT the United States

by Bryce Shonka

Early in my development as a human being, there was the pledge of allegiance. There was the National Anthem and of course, the Stars and Stripes.

I grew up in Southern California and now that I have had a chance to deprogram myself (which has taken years) I have some questions- for one, where was the pledge to the California Republic? Where was my class on the California Constitution…or even just a mere mention of it in one of my other government classes at my government school?

The reality is that my generation was indoctrinated with a very subtle, but dangerous notion- that the Federal Government IS the United States.

There was no mention in my childhood of state sovereignty…not even the briefest mention of the 10th Amendment. Oh sure, I knew about something called the ‘Bill of Rights’ but all that I can remember being taught was that it was separate from the Constitution, with a sneaky inference that the first 10 amendments were somehow a lesser part of the framers’ vision.

One flag. One nation. One ruling body, Washington DC.

This is the situation we all face today as Americans who value the philosophy of our founding fathers. Despite being an absolute desecration of the founder’s concept of ‘United States’, the ‘Omnipotent Centralized State’ has become zeitgeist through our words, our patriotic displays and our teachings.

It’s a steep hill to climb, but this effect must be reversed if we are to keep our republic. Deprogramming the masses and awakening once again a pride in one’s state house is more cultural than legal, more art than science but it must be done. If the territory gained by the Tenth Movement is to stand we will have to find a way to ensure that future generations honor TWO flags in their classrooms, maybe even at ballgames- The Red White and Blue AND the flag of their state.

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21 comments
Gene Kernan
Gene Kernan

Actually, Michael, the “United States” is ONLY the federal government; a thing, not a place.

Michael Boldin
Michael Boldin

Gene, I understand what you’re saying here. But that certainly isn’t the point that Bryce was trying to make in his article. Here he’s talking about national supremacy on everything in our society, and that problems is creates for those who believe in decentralization.

Doug
Doug

The united States of America is the federal government according to the founding fathers.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a corporation set up in 1871 that we run under today instead.

Interesting reading here: http://www.usavsus.info/

NewOrleansPuma
NewOrleansPuma

Sorry Byrce…not Bruce!… And if you or anyone else here has not read these two books by Thomas DiLorenzo…you might want to !!!!

DiLorenzo has authored at least ten books, including The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, DiLorenzo has authored at least ten books, including The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, and Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed To Know about Dishonest Abe

Now I and others did not need Mr DiLorenzo to write these books but I and others I am sure are very glad he did…

This is why you never heard anything in your History classes ..Byrce…This and so much else!

NewOrleansPuma
NewOrleansPuma

Sorry Byrce…not Bruce!… And if you or anyone else here has not read these two books by Thomas DiLorenzo…you might want to !!!!

DiLorenzo has authored at least ten books, including The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, DiLorenzo has authored at least ten books, including The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, and Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed To Know about Dishonest Abe

Now I and others did not need Mr DiLorenzo to write these books but I and others I am sure are very glad he did…

This is why you never heard anything in your History classes ..Byrce…This and so much else!

NewOrleansPuma
NewOrleansPuma

There was no mention in my childhood of state sovereignty…not even the briefest mention of the 10th Amendment…

And why did that happen Bruce? How did that happen? Have you answered that yet…? You need to talk to more educated Southerners…my friend..States rights and the sovereignity of states rel to the central government was forever settled according to the deconstructionists of American History by the results of The War Between the States…Once these individuals were able to subsume this right beneath the abhorrance of slavery…that was the end of state sovereignity…Of course many of these same deconstructionists also continued to import slaves in New England even after slavery was stopped there…
Moreover…even Mr Lincoln…who has become a “god like myth”…did not
free the slaves except in states that supposedly were in rebellion against the central government…Mr Lincloln was the ultimate pragmatist…one of the strongest purveyers of central government…not…”the god like myth”
man…

I am extremely happy that the right of states has come out from under the subsumation of the issue of slavery..indeed.

And even more happy that the Tenth Amendment Center has determined to
elucidate and educate anyone who seeks to understand the very nature of the structures upon which We the People rule in America…ignorance of history or not!

Keep going Bruce! Cheers..

NewOrleansPuma
NewOrleansPuma

There was no mention in my childhood of state sovereignty…not even the briefest mention of the 10th Amendment…

And why did that happen Bruce? How did that happen? Have you answered that yet…? You need to talk to more educated Southerners…my friend..States rights and the sovereignity of states rel to the central government was forever settled according to the deconstructionists of American History by the results of The War Between the States…Once these individuals were able to subsume this right beneath the abhorrance of slavery…that was the end of state sovereignity…Of course many of these same deconstructionists also continued to import slaves in New England even after slavery was stopped there…
Moreover…even Mr Lincoln…who has become a “god like myth”…did not
free the slaves except in states that supposedly were in rebellion against the central government…Mr Lincloln was the ultimate pragmatist…one of the strongest purveyers of central government…not…”the god like myth”
man…

I am extremely happy that the right of states has come out from under the subsumation of the issue of slavery..indeed.

And even more happy that the Tenth Amendment Center has determined to
elucidate and educate anyone who seeks to understand the very nature of the structures upon which We the People rule in America…ignorance of history or not!

Keep going Bruce! Cheers..

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

Bravo, Bryce!

You are spot-on! In fact, they barely spend any time on the subject in law school, where we spend a whole semester on the Constitution. Of course, as future lawyers, we need to learn what the state of the law is – as mangled as it is.

I strongly believe that tenth-grade should come with a requirement on understanding the relation between states and feds, at least for 6 weeks of a semester on history. Everyone is taught the Civil War was about slavery, when actually, that was really just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

How can one understand what caused major historical events like this to happen if they aren’t taught the perspective? It was all about power, control and law-making authority. Always has been – always will be.

In grade school, I remember getting out with an extremely vague notion that Reconstruction was just a rowdy period where rogue states didn’t want to accept losing the war. WTF????

Kudos for your proper perspective on education!

Jeff Matthews
Jeff Matthews

Bravo, Bryce!

You are spot-on! In fact, they barely spend any time on the subject in law school, where we spend a whole semester on the Constitution. Of course, as future lawyers, we need to learn what the state of the law is – as mangled as it is.

I strongly believe that tenth-grade should come with a requirement on understanding the relation between states and feds, at least for 6 weeks of a semester on history. Everyone is taught the Civil War was about slavery, when actually, that was really just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

How can one understand what caused major historical events like this to happen if they aren’t taught the perspective? It was all about power, control and law-making authority. Always has been – always will be.

In grade school, I remember getting out with an extremely vague notion that Reconstruction was just a rowdy period where rogue states didn’t want to accept losing the war. WTF????

Kudos for your proper perspective on education!

Monorprise
Monorprise

I remember pledging allegiance to the Texas flag back in school in Texas.

I agree we need to revise State pride, and that starts with taking control of education and putting greater emphases on State history and constitutional law. (If we are to pay to teach, anything in a democratic republic one would thing that is the most publicly interested thing to teach to all future voters, in that the future of our republican system of law and freedom is depended upon their knowledge of such things in voting.)

To that, end one possible argument for this is that most all of the laws and order come from the State not federal government and it is fundamentally essential that children are educated in the law of the land.

I am not sure we need to take it as far as pledging allegiance to the State flag or State republic. Remember we wish people to choose among the republics somewhat freely as to encourage competition between them for the same people and business.

We do however for the practical concern of getting people to pay attention and maintain the ballade need to get people to be much more strongly aware of their State and its importance.

MinutemanCDC_SC
MinutemanCDC_SC

The President of the U.S. is NOT the United States, either.

And an only de facto POTUS or a BOGUS POTUS is the very counterfeit of the United States.

George Taylor
George Taylor

Sorry Petey, I disagree with Charles Beard and his Econonomic Interpretation of the Constitution also. I will agree that the mindset you speak of (and we both comdemn) was present at the Constituional Convention, in the guise of Alexander Hamilton. What we are seeing today is the realization of Hamilton’s nationalism, and the defeat of James Madision’s constitutionalism. Check out my web site for more information.

George Taylor
George Taylor

Sorry Petey, I disagree with Charles Beard and his Econonomic Interpretation of the Constitution also. I will agree that the mindset you speak of (and we both comdemn) was present at the Constituional Convention, in the guise of Alexander Hamilton. What we are seeing today is the realization of Hamilton’s nationalism, and the defeat of James Madision’s constitutionalism. Check out my web site for more information.

Michael Boldin
Michael Boldin

Petey – I don’t agree with you on the intent of the founders, but no one can really know – ever.

But, you are absolutely right about the federal government doing all kinds of evil things over the years.

So, what do you think is the best way to combat that – giving that same institution of government more or less power?

I “vote” for the latter.

Michael Boldin
Michael Boldin

Petey – I don’t agree with you on the intent of the founders, but no one can really know – ever.

But, you are absolutely right about the federal government doing all kinds of evil things over the years.

So, what do you think is the best way to combat that – giving that same institution of government more or less power?

I “vote” for the latter.

Petey Wheatstraw
Petey Wheatstraw

The intent of the founding fathers was not to ensure democracy, or liberty, or freedom, for anyone. It was to enshrine the notion that a few wealthy elites would gain and maintain power through the exploitation of the masses. The Fed has always colluded with the wealthy, starting wars, invading other countries, keeping workers down, denying people their civil rights.

George Taylor
George Taylor

All interesting ideas. Most days I proudly fly ONLY my California flag from my 25 foot flag pole. On certain patriotic days I will fly an historic red, white and blue flag. The only day I will fly that 50 starred symbol of foreign imperialism and a domestic government that is out of control is on out nation’s birthday July 28, 1868 — and then at half-mast, only because my wife will not let me fly it upside down. I am curious why would someone feel the coporate United states was set up in 1871? Posse Comitatus? No — 14th amendment (1868)!

Check out my web site http://www.USchronology.com

Damn the nation; give us back our Union!

George Taylor

George Taylor
George Taylor

All interesting ideas. Most days I proudly fly ONLY my California flag from my 25 foot flag pole. On certain patriotic days I will fly an historic red, white and blue flag. The only day I will fly that 50 starred symbol of foreign imperialism and a domestic government that is out of control is on out nation’s birthday July 28, 1868 — and then at half-mast, only because my wife will not let me fly it upside down. I am curious why would someone feel the coporate United states was set up in 1871? Posse Comitatus? No — 14th amendment (1868)!

Check out my web site http://www.USchronology.com

Damn the nation; give us back our Union!

George Taylor

Tisha
Tisha

I think this is very well done and we would LOVE to have your input/another article in our upcoming edition of The Good American Post. I will try and find an email for you. Thank you for being a patriot!

Gene Kernan
Gene Kernan

Actually, Michael, the “United States” is ONLY the federal government; a thing, not a place.

Michael Boldin
Michael Boldin

Gene, I understand what you’re saying here. But that certainly isn’t the point that Bryce was trying to make in his article. Here he’s talking about national supremacy on everything in our society, and that problems is creates for those who believe in decentralization.