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		<title>By: Bryce Shonka</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-285895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Shonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see your name in the threads, Pete!

You are right, if only the humanitarian disguise of these sinister schemes would have been lifted back then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see your name in the threads, Pete!</p>
<p>You are right, if only the humanitarian disguise of these sinister schemes would have been lifted back then!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete K</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-284665</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, Very informative article concerning the intent of the original framers of our constitution when compared to the Articles of Confederation. I didn&#039;t realize they could &quot;cut and paste&quot; back then.

Seriously, one must wonder, if the Legislators of the past who began the process of giving the Federal Government unlimited power over the states ever envisioned what a swamp of usurpation we would be sinking in today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, Very informative article concerning the intent of the original framers of our constitution when compared to the Articles of Confederation. I didn&#8217;t realize they could &#8220;cut and paste&#8221; back then.</p>
<p>Seriously, one must wonder, if the Legislators of the past who began the process of giving the Federal Government unlimited power over the states ever envisioned what a swamp of usurpation we would be sinking in today.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Shonka</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-284001</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Shonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that Bill- I&#039;m interested to read your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that Bill- I&#8217;m interested to read your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-283919</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I&#039;ve seen your posts on this topic all over the web for the last couple years, so you&#039;re definitely getting your message out!

I&#039;ve never seen answers to a few essential questions:

1.  What was the original intent and understanding of how Article V would work?

2.  Do you have any scholarly research work on the history and debate of Article V?  (other than just Hamilton&#039;s personal opinion in the Federalist, that is)

3.  Do you have any comment that&#039;s related to this article here in particular, or did you just want to pass the information about your website along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I&#8217;ve seen your posts on this topic all over the web for the last couple years, so you&#8217;re definitely getting your message out!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen answers to a few essential questions:</p>
<p>1.  What was the original intent and understanding of how Article V would work?</p>
<p>2.  Do you have any scholarly research work on the history and debate of Article V?  (other than just Hamilton&#8217;s personal opinion in the Federalist, that is)</p>
<p>3.  Do you have any comment that&#8217;s related to this article here in particular, or did you just want to pass the information about your website along?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Walker</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-283774</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the best example of this philosophy lies in the record of Article V. All 50 states have submitted 750 applications for an Article V Convention call. The texts can be read at www.foavc.org. Despite the Constitutional mandate requiring Congress to call a convention if 34 states submit 34 applications, Congress refuses to do as mandated.

Indeed members of Congress, including Obama, joined against a lawsuit in criminal violation of their oaths of office to so declare they have the right to veto the Constitution. The criminal violation was admitted by their attorney of record before the Supreme Court. See FAQ 9.1 at the FOAVC website for further details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the best example of this philosophy lies in the record of Article V. All 50 states have submitted 750 applications for an Article V Convention call. The texts can be read at <a href="http://www.foavc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.foavc.org</a>. Despite the Constitutional mandate requiring Congress to call a convention if 34 states submit 34 applications, Congress refuses to do as mandated.</p>
<p>Indeed members of Congress, including Obama, joined against a lawsuit in criminal violation of their oaths of office to so declare they have the right to veto the Constitution. The criminal violation was admitted by their attorney of record before the Supreme Court. See FAQ 9.1 at the FOAVC website for further details.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Shonka</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-283729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Shonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This provides some excellent insight and background into the vision of the founders- the only effective weapons we have against the kind of misinformation being spewed today by the centralizers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This provides some excellent insight and background into the vision of the founders- the only effective weapons we have against the kind of misinformation being spewed today by the centralizers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boldin</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/22/liberty-vs-power-the-battle-rages-on/comment-page-1/#comment-283601</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Boldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the law itself cannot be destroyed. It can, however, be undermined to the extent that for all intents and purposes (governmentally speaking) it is non existent. &lt;/em&gt;

Terry - excellent point.  And the same goes for our rights, which are ours by birth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the law itself cannot be destroyed. It can, however, be undermined to the extent that for all intents and purposes (governmentally speaking) it is non existent. </em></p>
<p>Terry &#8211; excellent point.  And the same goes for our rights, which are ours by birth.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To suggest that state sovereignty always give way to the national power is to completely do away with the line.&lt;/i&gt;

Precisely correct!  It is, in point of fact, a contradiction in terms the suggestion that state sovereignty can in any way exist alongside an all powerful central authority to which the states must always yield.  One of the fundamental laws of logic is the law of non-contradiction (A cannot be non-A), which such a concept palpably violates and is therefore of no legitimate authority whatsoever, which is to say that rational people are in no way bound to observe it nor anyone who propagates such blatantly false illogical conceptions.   

&lt;i&gt;It is in fact to destroy even the natural law of self-preservation.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, the law itself cannot be destroyed.  It can, however, be undermined to the extent that for all intents and purposes (governmentally speaking) it is non existent.  And that&#039;s what it invariably comes down to, now isn&#039;t it.  Indeed, the law of self-preservation applies as well to the national government as it does to the states and to the people.  In asserting unlimited arbitrary power over them, the national government, in point of fact, is destroying itself and the reason for its existence.  And we all know what the Declaration says about that -- &quot;Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [the preservation of the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it...&quot;

Nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To suggest that state sovereignty always give way to the national power is to completely do away with the line.</i></p>
<p>Precisely correct!  It is, in point of fact, a contradiction in terms the suggestion that state sovereignty can in any way exist alongside an all powerful central authority to which the states must always yield.  One of the fundamental laws of logic is the law of non-contradiction (A cannot be non-A), which such a concept palpably violates and is therefore of no legitimate authority whatsoever, which is to say that rational people are in no way bound to observe it nor anyone who propagates such blatantly false illogical conceptions.   </p>
<p><i>It is in fact to destroy even the natural law of self-preservation.</i></p>
<p>Well, the law itself cannot be destroyed.  It can, however, be undermined to the extent that for all intents and purposes (governmentally speaking) it is non existent.  And that&#8217;s what it invariably comes down to, now isn&#8217;t it.  Indeed, the law of self-preservation applies as well to the national government as it does to the states and to the people.  In asserting unlimited arbitrary power over them, the national government, in point of fact, is destroying itself and the reason for its existence.  And we all know what the Declaration says about that &#8212; &#8220;Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [the preservation of the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot to digest here, but really a good article.  I like seeing comparisons between the US Constitution and the articles - sure adds some insight to the intent of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot to digest here, but really a good article.  I like seeing comparisons between the US Constitution and the articles &#8211; sure adds some insight to the intent of it all.</p>
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