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		<title>By: GeorgeBurdell</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/07/22/healthcare-is-a-good-not-a-right/comment-page-1/#comment-932503</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeBurdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think everyone deserves healthcare, but should only expect what is necessary for life.. Do women NEED contraceptives and abortions to live? Absolutely not. Do they need penicillin and access to cancer treatments? Yes! So why is the government wasting our tax dollars on luxuries when there are millions who need critical, life sustaining treatments and drugs? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone deserves healthcare, but should only expect what is necessary for life.. Do women NEED contraceptives and abortions to live? Absolutely not. Do they need penicillin and access to cancer treatments? Yes! So why is the government wasting our tax dollars on luxuries when there are millions who need critical, life sustaining treatments and drugs? </p>
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		<title>By: M.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natural law states that people have the right to compete brutally, fight, struggle, and die. 
 
There are no rights in nature except what you can claw out for yourself. 
 
All rights are social, and whatever society decides is a right, is a right. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural law states that people have the right to compete brutally, fight, struggle, and die. </p>
<p>There are no rights in nature except what you can claw out for yourself. </p>
<p>All rights are social, and whatever society decides is a right, is a right. </p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There will be no financial incentive to become a doctor in a universal health care system? I don&#039;t see why. Doctors in other countries with some form of national health care are still well paid and they still have doctors. In fact, some such countries have enough doctors and nurses they can be &quot;exported&quot; to countries with a great need, like us. I myself had spinal surgery by a doctor from China of all places. And as noted, there are non-financial incentives for individuals. The financial incentive for the nation is to have an educated and healthy workforce for maximum efficiency and competitiveness; like investments in infrastructure, the financial incentive is to be more conducive to business and entrepreneurship.     
 
That&#039;s econ 200  
:D ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be no financial incentive to become a doctor in a universal health care system? I don&#039;t see why. Doctors in other countries with some form of national health care are still well paid and they still have doctors. In fact, some such countries have enough doctors and nurses they can be &quot;exported&quot; to countries with a great need, like us. I myself had spinal surgery by a doctor from China of all places. And as noted, there are non-financial incentives for individuals. The financial incentive for the nation is to have an educated and healthy workforce for maximum efficiency and competitiveness; like investments in infrastructure, the financial incentive is to be more conducive to business and entrepreneurship.     </p>
<p>That&#039;s econ 200   <img src='http://tenthamendment.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Randolph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US is in trouble exactly because of so much flawed legislation (not to mention the Federal Reserve System). The current bureaucracy does not and will not subsidize naturopathic treatments over allopathic treatments. 

The FDA gestapo is constantly waging war upon innocent manufacturers of nutritional supplements and bioresonant electro-therapies while the only ones who can afford the super expensive clinical trials, the super rich, multi-national drug companies, go on scalping the US while putting the American Republic in a drunken stupor. If they weren&#039;t in a drunken stupor, they would have pointed their fingers at these constant drains on the US long ago. Instead, they are deciding which drug to take because mainstream media and conventional medicine has turned them into so many drug addicts.

TRUST Education. TRUST Your Instincts. TRUST History; this is what good people do. Of course, if you don&#039;t want to educate yourself, if you don&#039;t have good instincts because you&#039;re on too many drugs, and if you don&#039;t trust history, then you shouldn&#039;t be reading this. You should go take your drugs and fall in line with the rest of the zombies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US is in trouble exactly because of so much flawed legislation (not to mention the Federal Reserve System). The current bureaucracy does not and will not subsidize naturopathic treatments over allopathic treatments. </p>
<p>The FDA gestapo is constantly waging war upon innocent manufacturers of nutritional supplements and bioresonant electro-therapies while the only ones who can afford the super expensive clinical trials, the super rich, multi-national drug companies, go on scalping the US while putting the American Republic in a drunken stupor. If they weren&#8217;t in a drunken stupor, they would have pointed their fingers at these constant drains on the US long ago. Instead, they are deciding which drug to take because mainstream media and conventional medicine has turned them into so many drug addicts.</p>
<p>TRUST Education. TRUST Your Instincts. TRUST History; this is what good people do. Of course, if you don&#8217;t want to educate yourself, if you don&#8217;t have good instincts because you&#8217;re on too many drugs, and if you don&#8217;t trust history, then you shouldn&#8217;t be reading this. You should go take your drugs and fall in line with the rest of the zombies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom O'D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom O'D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randolph, do you not think that it would be better to first implement a system which guarantees some form of healthcare for everyone, even if it is flawed? I should imagine that if a nationalised healthcare system like the one proposed was implemented then it would soon be realised that the current style of healthcare is just sweeping the problem under the rug, so to speak. Sure, in it&#039;s current state with private healthcare it&#039;s lucrative, but the moment the government (and the tax payer) are involved the process of streamlining begins! A major feature of the NHS is bureaucracy, targets and budgets! I should imagine they would start implementing alternative therapies like you suggested, as a cure is usually cheaper in the long-run than a treatment. It might well be that the current legislation has been written in order to please the lobbying groups in order to get the damn system started in the first place!

T]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randolph, do you not think that it would be better to first implement a system which guarantees some form of healthcare for everyone, even if it is flawed? I should imagine that if a nationalised healthcare system like the one proposed was implemented then it would soon be realised that the current style of healthcare is just sweeping the problem under the rug, so to speak. Sure, in it&#8217;s current state with private healthcare it&#8217;s lucrative, but the moment the government (and the tax payer) are involved the process of streamlining begins! A major feature of the NHS is bureaucracy, targets and budgets! I should imagine they would start implementing alternative therapies like you suggested, as a cure is usually cheaper in the long-run than a treatment. It might well be that the current legislation has been written in order to please the lobbying groups in order to get the damn system started in the first place!</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to the director of the NHS a few weeks ago. There are definite differences between universal healthcare in the UK vs. what would be universal &quot;healthcare&quot; in the U.S. The #1 difference that stands out in my mind is that UK doctors are salaried. US doctors are fee per service; that&#039;s why we have super efficient assembly lines rather than super efficient healthcare. 

I prefer to educate myself, discipline myself, and be vigilant. Part of that education is provided by altruistic medical doctors (they do exist). I will not put my life in the hands of HMOs. I&#039;m already continually arguing with mainstream doctors because they constantly insist on pushing drugs with obvious consequences while having absolutely no suggestions for holistic alternatives. 

Where does US Universal &quot;Healthcare&quot; leave the naturopathic physicians? That&#039;s a real mystery, isn&#039;t it? Naturopathic physicians keep you very healthy at minimum cost. Mainstream physicians keep you barely healthy at maximum cost. Naturopathic medicine pushes an ounce of prevention for a ton of cure. Mainstream medicine pushes a ton of trash for an ounce of prevention. Which do you prefer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the director of the NHS a few weeks ago. There are definite differences between universal healthcare in the UK vs. what would be universal &#8220;healthcare&#8221; in the U.S. The #1 difference that stands out in my mind is that UK doctors are salaried. US doctors are fee per service; that&#8217;s why we have super efficient assembly lines rather than super efficient healthcare. </p>
<p>I prefer to educate myself, discipline myself, and be vigilant. Part of that education is provided by altruistic medical doctors (they do exist). I will not put my life in the hands of HMOs. I&#8217;m already continually arguing with mainstream doctors because they constantly insist on pushing drugs with obvious consequences while having absolutely no suggestions for holistic alternatives. </p>
<p>Where does US Universal &#8220;Healthcare&#8221; leave the naturopathic physicians? That&#8217;s a real mystery, isn&#8217;t it? Naturopathic physicians keep you very healthy at minimum cost. Mainstream physicians keep you barely healthy at maximum cost. Naturopathic medicine pushes an ounce of prevention for a ton of cure. Mainstream medicine pushes a ton of trash for an ounce of prevention. Which do you prefer?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom O'D</title>
		<link>http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/07/22/healthcare-is-a-good-not-a-right/comment-page-1/#comment-283332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom O'D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear M40,

I&#039;m sorry that you believe us &quot;Euro-weenies&quot; have &quot;NO RIGHTSâ€¦ NONE&quot; and that we&#039;re &quot;subjectsâ€¦ slaves to the system&quot;. I believe your views are misguided, but they are just that: your views. And you have a right to them. Feel free to put forward an argument in future. For example, seeing as the founding fathers were obviously anarchists it is saddening to see America&#039;s political philosophy to go so far astray.

Hypothetically, if you were to rule America, would you set up a system to make it easier for those who don&#039;t have access to facilities such as health care, education and family planning facilities to emigrate to other countries which do provide these services? And what effect do you believe the absence of these people will have on the state of the country?

If you choose not to emigrate people, would you just leave them wanting? And how do you think that will effect your economy? Would you allow the establishment of non-governmental organisations to cater for these people&#039;s need? Or do you feel that this is too much a form of non-centralised government? Should everyone instead take to the wild, hunting with their rifles in order to provide for their families? I&#039;m sure the poor state of health of the general population would easily balance out the growth rate increase resulting from the absence of education and family planning.

I was particularly impressed by Randolph&#039;s response, which gave me an indication for the first time as to why the US healthcare reforms in the current proposal are unfeasible. I believe (sorry, &quot;Euro-weenie&quot; chiming in again where he&#039;s not wanted!) that if more dialogue was opened up between people like Randolph and the global community, who have already established effective healthcare systems, it would allow for the formation of a fair and just system which benefits everyone, and would be a milestone in both the health of individuals, and that of America itself.

Regards,

Tom &quot;Insert Slave-Name Here&quot; O&#039;D

p.s. One of my favourite (and at the same time most nauseating) arguments against the health care reforms is that &quot;I don&#039;t want America to become a communist country like Russia or China&quot;. Seriously, thank you Randolph for showing me that reason does exist in the anti-healthcare reform camp!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear M40,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you believe us &#8220;Euro-weenies&#8221; have &#8220;NO RIGHTSâ€¦ NONE&#8221; and that we&#8217;re &#8220;subjectsâ€¦ slaves to the system&#8221;. I believe your views are misguided, but they are just that: your views. And you have a right to them. Feel free to put forward an argument in future. For example, seeing as the founding fathers were obviously anarchists it is saddening to see America&#8217;s political philosophy to go so far astray.</p>
<p>Hypothetically, if you were to rule America, would you set up a system to make it easier for those who don&#8217;t have access to facilities such as health care, education and family planning facilities to emigrate to other countries which do provide these services? And what effect do you believe the absence of these people will have on the state of the country?</p>
<p>If you choose not to emigrate people, would you just leave them wanting? And how do you think that will effect your economy? Would you allow the establishment of non-governmental organisations to cater for these people&#8217;s need? Or do you feel that this is too much a form of non-centralised government? Should everyone instead take to the wild, hunting with their rifles in order to provide for their families? I&#8217;m sure the poor state of health of the general population would easily balance out the growth rate increase resulting from the absence of education and family planning.</p>
<p>I was particularly impressed by Randolph&#8217;s response, which gave me an indication for the first time as to why the US healthcare reforms in the current proposal are unfeasible. I believe (sorry, &#8220;Euro-weenie&#8221; chiming in again where he&#8217;s not wanted!) that if more dialogue was opened up between people like Randolph and the global community, who have already established effective healthcare systems, it would allow for the formation of a fair and just system which benefits everyone, and would be a milestone in both the health of individuals, and that of America itself.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Tom &#8220;Insert Slave-Name Here&#8221; O&#8217;D</p>
<p>p.s. One of my favourite (and at the same time most nauseating) arguments against the health care reforms is that &#8220;I don&#8217;t want America to become a communist country like Russia or China&#8221;. Seriously, thank you Randolph for showing me that reason does exist in the anti-healthcare reform camp!</p>
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		<title>By: Evil MindN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil MindN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ophelia, most people don&#039;t have the benefit of your experience. TV provides that vicarious experience wherein most Americans hope and pray that political statements and drug commercials are telling the truth w/o serving special interests.

I have to agree that North American IQ is probably down a few points because of all the drugs in public drinking water. It&#039;s very nice of you to worry about US. I advise you to take care of you and your loved ones in France because the psychotic crackheads running the show over here may actually push that flush handle sending this once proud nation into the vortex. And who said France or any other part of the &quot;civilized&quot; world is safe from the psychos?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ophelia, most people don&#8217;t have the benefit of your experience. TV provides that vicarious experience wherein most Americans hope and pray that political statements and drug commercials are telling the truth w/o serving special interests.</p>
<p>I have to agree that North American IQ is probably down a few points because of all the drugs in public drinking water. It&#8217;s very nice of you to worry about US. I advise you to take care of you and your loved ones in France because the psychotic crackheads running the show over here may actually push that flush handle sending this once proud nation into the vortex. And who said France or any other part of the &#8220;civilized&#8221; world is safe from the psychos?</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ophelia Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I supported Ron Paul&#039;s run for Presidential office. I have donated to his campaign several times. However, I do not agree with his view point. 

Having made over $100,000 per year and having made $3,000 in a year and living in America and experiencing its health care system for a variety of physical illness and surgeries, I have to say that the American health care system is in severe need of change.

Having friends who work in the pharmaceutical companies as executives who admit there MUST be change for regular Americans to get health care and medicine; it&#039;s very troubling to see how uneducated Americans REALLY ARE. 

I left the United States of America and I will never return to live there. I moved to France and the health care system here - as it has its flaws - is nothing like it&#039;s being advertised by mass media and even Ron Paul. People&#039;s needs are being met. Period. Are doctors slaves? My  father in law is a dentist, his wife is an orthodontist, my brother in law and sister in law are both psychiatrists for France and they have large homes, nice cars, and enjoy the health care system and its benefits - including long vacations that you Americans do not enjoy. They are not slaves. They earned their degrees, paid back the government through working for state institutions for two years, and then were able to start practicing on their own. My best friend is an American medical student and she already owes $200,000 in student loans in her second year. If that&#039;s not slavery, then I do not know what is. 

I was born in a third world country. I was raised after the age of five in America. Spent my childhood years living in post communist Germany. I am an adult living in Europe. I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that many of you must see further beyond your own television sets. Meet real people and listen to their truths. Experience suffering. Travel and see how other people live. 

I tell you, the world you live in WILL change. It will change as a result of your perspectives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I supported Ron Paul&#8217;s run for Presidential office. I have donated to his campaign several times. However, I do not agree with his view point. </p>
<p>Having made over $100,000 per year and having made $3,000 in a year and living in America and experiencing its health care system for a variety of physical illness and surgeries, I have to say that the American health care system is in severe need of change.</p>
<p>Having friends who work in the pharmaceutical companies as executives who admit there MUST be change for regular Americans to get health care and medicine; it&#8217;s very troubling to see how uneducated Americans REALLY ARE. </p>
<p>I left the United States of America and I will never return to live there. I moved to France and the health care system here &#8211; as it has its flaws &#8211; is nothing like it&#8217;s being advertised by mass media and even Ron Paul. People&#8217;s needs are being met. Period. Are doctors slaves? My  father in law is a dentist, his wife is an orthodontist, my brother in law and sister in law are both psychiatrists for France and they have large homes, nice cars, and enjoy the health care system and its benefits &#8211; including long vacations that you Americans do not enjoy. They are not slaves. They earned their degrees, paid back the government through working for state institutions for two years, and then were able to start practicing on their own. My best friend is an American medical student and she already owes $200,000 in student loans in her second year. If that&#8217;s not slavery, then I do not know what is. </p>
<p>I was born in a third world country. I was raised after the age of five in America. Spent my childhood years living in post communist Germany. I am an adult living in Europe. I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that many of you must see further beyond your own television sets. Meet real people and listen to their truths. Experience suffering. Travel and see how other people live. </p>
<p>I tell you, the world you live in WILL change. It will change as a result of your perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: HealingMindN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HealingMindN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M40, what you say is completely true. Our country&#039;s forefathers knew their place. I believe Thomas Jefferson said, &quot;When Gov&#039;t fears the people, there is liberty. When people fear the Gov&#039;t, there is tyranny.&quot; Who else here remembers Waco, TX incident 1993? (FBI could have ended the Koresh Cult with the leader&#039;s arrest, but they decided to take out women and children too.) Who remembers the CIA fiasco &quot;Cuban Missle Crisis&quot; in the 1960&#039;s? Who remembers all the tyrannical actions of the FDA and IRS against innocent Americans?

M40, those are all grand things to say on the web, but what do you think would happen if you stood on a pedastal on a loud speaker and said these things in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? We are not in the country of our forefathers. &quot;Terrorism&quot; has secured our present gov&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M40, what you say is completely true. Our country&#8217;s forefathers knew their place. I believe Thomas Jefferson said, &#8220;When Gov&#8217;t fears the people, there is liberty. When people fear the Gov&#8217;t, there is tyranny.&#8221; Who else here remembers Waco, TX incident 1993? (FBI could have ended the Koresh Cult with the leader&#8217;s arrest, but they decided to take out women and children too.) Who remembers the CIA fiasco &#8220;Cuban Missle Crisis&#8221; in the 1960&#8242;s? Who remembers all the tyrannical actions of the FDA and IRS against innocent Americans?</p>
<p>M40, those are all grand things to say on the web, but what do you think would happen if you stood on a pedastal on a loud speaker and said these things in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? We are not in the country of our forefathers. &#8220;Terrorism&#8221; has secured our present gov&#8217;t.</p>
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