The 2nd Amendment and the States

by Patrick Krey, The New American

There are few topics that can divide people who are normally ideological bedfellows like the legal doctrine of the “incorporation” of the Bill of Rights against the states and the Second Amendment. This subject is rearing its head again with the upcoming appointment of a new Supreme Court justice as well as federal courts’ recent conflicting opinions in regards to the Second Amendment.

The Wall Street Journal reports that on June 2nd, “A federal appeals court in Chicago ruled … that the Second Amendment doesn’t bar state or local governments from regulating guns, adopting the same position that Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Barack Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court, did when faced with the same question earlier this year.”

This ruling contrasts with a recent ruling by “the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco … that the Second Amendment is incorporated against the states and local governments” — in other words, states and local governments are bound by the Second Amendment. Which court is correct?

To understand the debate in this topic, it helps to briefly review constitutional history. When the Constitution was first proposed, opponents of the new document criticized it for lacking a bill of enumerated rights, which were common in virtually every state constitution of the time. In response to these complaints, proponents of the new Constitution agreed to add a series of amendments in the first Congress that would codify restrictions on the federal government to infringe certain fundamental rights. The resulting first 10 Amendments, collectively referred to as the “Bill of Rights,” were ratified on December 15, 1791.

It is important to note two little-known historical facts regarding the proposal and ratification of the Bill of Rights. Alexander Hamilton, himself a prominent advocate of a liberal reading of the necessary and proper clause as well as a loose construction of the Constitution, argued that a Bill of Rights would be dangerous because it would imply that without such an enumeration of rights, the new government might actually have the power to infringe on these rights and might even now open the door for the government to regulate in these areas. In Federalist # 84, Hamilton wrote:

I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and to the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed Constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? … I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power. They might urge with a semblance of reason, that the Constitution ought not to be charged with the absurdity of providing against the abuse of an authority which was not given, and that the provision against restraining the liberty of the press afforded a clear implication, that a power to prescribe proper regulations concerning it was intended to be vested in the national government.

Hamilton basically was saying that the national government lacked the power to do any of the things that the proposed Bill of Rights were prohibiting, and codifying these restrictions might lead some to argue that the national government could actually regulate in those areas, which he felt was completely unconstitutional.

In addition, James Madison, widely regarded as “The Father of the Constitution,” wanted to have the Bill of Rights restrictions to be held against the states but was rebuffed in this effort because of widely held reservations to further empower the new government over the states. The first Congress refused to even submit such a proposal to the states for ratification because it was so unpopular. As a matter of fact, numerous states had gun-control laws on the books at the time, as well as state-chartered religions. It was not that the citizens were necessarily opposed to state involvement in these matters but rather did not want any federal intrusion.

These two historical facts illustrate that, at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, it was recognized by the Framers and Ratifiers that the national government had no authority to enforce the Bill of Rights against the states, and whatever authority it did have was clearly delineated in the text of the Constitution itself.

Therefore, the Bill of Rights did not give the national government any new powers but simply reiterated important restrictions upon it and not the states. This understanding is consistent with the position that not only does the Second Amendment protect an individual “right to bear arms” against federal action but also that the national government lack any power whatsoever to regulate within this area. Additionally, the states are free to regulate (or not regulate) in that area based on their own state constitutions.

The fact that the Bill of Rights did not apply against the states was not modified until after the ratification of the 14th Amendment and the judicial creation of the incorporation doctrine. The incorporation doctrine refers to the court selectively “incorporating” certain amendments in the Bill of Rights against state governments via a liberal reading of the 14th Amendment — completely contrary to the original understanding at the time of its ratification as explained by widely respected legal scholar Raoul Berger in Government by Judiciary: The Transformation of the Fourteenth Amendment.

As the late Congressman Larry McDonald explained, the rationale behind the incorporation doctrine “runs completely contrary to thoughts and purposes of the original framers…. Their intent was to limit the rights and powers of the federal government, not to help expand them.”

The courts liberal interpretation allowed the federal courts to widen their jurisdiction and judicially review numerous state laws. Some libertarians welcome this development in constitutional history as a great opportunity to spread freedom because it gives advocates of individual liberty “two bites at the freedom apple — one under his state constitution and one under the U.S. Constitution.” Sadly, the constitutional record of incorporation is not something many advocates of individual liberty can be proud of.

Constitutional historian Kevin R.C. Gutzman details the sordid history of the incorporation doctrine:

This is what the Incorporation Doctrine has given us: in place of reservation of these areas of law to state governments for regulation via legislative elections, we get seizure of control over them by unelected, unaccountable, politically connected lawyers (that is, federal judges) who purport to substitute “reason” for the (one infers) “unreasonable” regulations crafted by elected officials…. It was under the cover of the Incorporation Doctrine that federal courts recently invented a right of child rapists not to face the ultimate penalty for their crimes.  It was under the cover of the Incorporation Doctrine, indeed, that a Supreme Court majority for several years banned capital punishment altogether. It was under the cover of the Incorporation Doctrine that the Supreme Court eliminated state prohibitions of various types of pornography. The Incorporation Doctrine also underlies the Court-created ban on prayer, even on moments of silence, in public schools. The Incorporation Doctrine has allowed federal courts to invent rights to burn flags, ban invocations at high school graduations, and establish essentially a national code of “acceptable” punishments.

Furthermore, it was with the help of the incorporation doctrine that the “politically connected lawyers” on the court were able to invent “penumbras” giving rise to the infamous Roe v. Wade decision, and there were even discussions at the height of judicial activism to engrain a right to a minimum wage within constitutional law. Libertarians should be careful what they wish for because the “interpreters” on the court do not always see eye-to-eye with their vision of liberty.

Ironically, libertarian proponents of incorporation who usually are almost universally opposed to state power, let alone massively centralizing power in a super state, are in effect advocating the use of a larger, more powerful central government (via its court system) to force smaller governments to “be more free” without recognizing the fact that freedom means different things to different people. Such a contradictory line of thought is in direct conflict with the proud Jeffersonian decentralist tradition of those who founded our constitutional republic.

This leads us back to gun-rights activists who are currently expending numerous resources trying to get federal judges to incorporate the bill of rights against the states. Ironically, years of money spent trying to get federal judges to advance the cause of gun rights resulted in the disappointing Supreme Court decision in District of Columbia v. Heller where the “conservatives” on the court acknowledged that the Second Amendment protects an individual right “to bear arms” but that right is not “unlimited” and there is still room for reasonable restrictions on gun control.

As renowned constitutional attorney Edwin Vieira, Jr. wrote last fall in The New American, “Could Heller allow gun regulation to the point that the regulation could become a prohibition for all practical purposes? What effect will it have, if any, on existing or future gun laws in other jurisdictions throughout the country?”

The Heller decision was disheartening to gun rights advocates who believed that vast amounts of money spent on endless legal challenges would engrain an unlimited right to gun ownership in our constitutional law. Related efforts to incorporate the limited protections of Heller against the state will face similar frustration.

Those who put their faith in “politically connected lawyers” to uphold their rights and advance the cause of freedom will continue to be disappointed. Perhaps these activists will now realize that federal judges are not reliable friends of individual liberty and instead will focus their energy on a much more realistic goal of making Congress constitutional.

Patrick Krey works in finance and has an M.B.A., J.D. (law degree), an L.L.M. (masters of law) from the University of Buffalo, and is an Attorney admitted to practice in New York State. He is also a freelance writer – his work has been published online at JBS.org, PrisonPlanet.com, Antiwar.com and in The New American bi-weekly print magazine. He is also the host of the online radio show The Constitutional Coalition.

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30 Responses to The 2nd Amendment and the States

  1. jamn June 15, 2009 at 9:14 am #

    I am a gun rights advocate and am please with the ruling, so please stop speaking for me!!! It is a long ardeous road and the ruling was the first step. It allows for all others to come, had it gone the other way that would have been disappointing.

    • Michael Boldin June 15, 2009 at 9:17 am #

      I believe the big concern here is the expansion, as always, of the power of the federal government. If you’re please with this decision, I can understand why, but it’s an extremely dangerous fire you’re playing with.

      I personally feel that any growth of power of the judiciary or the federal government in general is a long-term loss for liberty.

      Our current state really does back that up pretty well too.

  2. DTOM June 15, 2009 at 10:46 am #

    I actually thought the Heller vs. DC ruling in fact is the first legal recognition that the right to bear arms is in fact a right of the people, not necessarily the States, although the States have that right through their militia and Governor. The Supreme Court opinioned that this in itself was not necessary enought to safeguard the rights assigned to the people from the 2nd Amendment. The most basic fundamental right that an individual has the right to bear arms and defend itself from its government, if in fact it decided to take up arms against its people, is the intepretation of this ruling.

    Are there restrictions? Yes, to the mentally handicapped or felons….but for now, that’s as far as the restrictions applied. The next battle is to ensure that fabricated restrictions aren’t devised to keep arms out of the hands of the majority of U.S. citizens.

  3. JMB June 15, 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    We have not lost our republic, we have gained a Courterized federal monstrosity. lol

    Where will our American Citizens find, in this new form of divine government any room left for a representative republic, and how prattle can any Constitution long maintain it, if itself is allowed to be reconstructed by this exclusive right of court.

    The very worst future for our American people, is for them to have absolutely no say so, as to these things that are affecting their own families right of conscience, this is of the purest of indicators, that our people are now bound certain to this non-alternative fate.

    “The will of the nation being omnipotent for right, is so for wrong also; and the will of the nation being in the majority, the minority must submit to that danger of oppression as an evil infinitely less than the danger to the whole nation from a will independent of it.”
    Letter to Thomas Jefferson, Feby 17, 1825 (Madison, 1865, III, page 483)

  4. JMB June 15, 2009 at 12:23 pm #

    The right to make a difference, and the right to refrain from, must never be surrender.

  5. Trouble June 15, 2009 at 12:29 pm #

    Curious. My thought on the matter was that the States signed on to abide by the same rules.

  6. JMB June 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    That’s what I thought before I started reading all those maniacal Supreme court opinions.

  7. Michael Boldin June 15, 2009 at 2:17 pm #

    Trouble – important question.

    The constitution doesn’t apply to you, it doesn’t apply to me, it doesn’t apply to any person at all.

    The constitution applies to the federal government – and was written to provide the rules for how it could operate.

    There was nothing in the ratification of the Constitution, as least nothing that I’m familiar with, that took the position that states were governed by the rules that apply to the feds.

    Where states are dealt with, the Constitution is quite specific.

    There is, however, some debate on this issue – especially in light of the 14th amendment and how it relates to the 10th and reserved powers. Hoping to do a new podcast on that subject in the near future.

  8. Monorprise June 15, 2009 at 2:25 pm #

    I am against the legal doctrine of the “incorporation” of the “Bill of Rights” against the States.

    Cause it was never intended and it simply caused greater harm than good because the same power to give rights is the same power to take em and other such rights away.

    The “incorporation doctrine” is violation of 2 different rulings of the Constitution including one after the badly written 14th amendment which has caused so many problems for federalism.

    We simply can not give the federal government power to impose the “protection of such rights” on the States without inherently making that government.

    • I plead the 10th June 25, 2009 at 6:16 am #

      I see the point. The 14th Amendment is a mess.

      However, let's stop talking about making states abide by the Second Amendment, for a moment.

      What about Amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8? By this logic, why not allow states to take those away, too?

      That's why the 2nd, 9th, and 10th Amendments were written.
      2nd – ability to protect yourself against tyranny, using weapons
      9th – "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
      10th – note the "and individuals" clause

      To me, combine the 9th, 10th, and 14th together, allowing the people the 2nd Amendment, and the rest should not be an issue.

      Again, it's those "politically connected lawyers", liberal judges, a liberal media, and an apathetic "We the sheeple" that's created this mess.

      I watched part of Obama's "Prescription" infomercial on ABC, tonight…. Talk about wanting to save the 10th Amendment….

      • MichaelBoldin June 25, 2009 at 6:00 pm #

        What you're referring to is the "incorporation doctrine" – which is just what this article is warning against. I don't want the federal government meddling in state affairs for anything.

  9. JMB June 15, 2009 at 2:47 pm #

    No need to fret so, because it won’t be long, and all we will have to worry about is the quality of those breadcrumbs we are handed.

  10. badboybiggun June 15, 2009 at 6:00 pm #

    I didn’t read this article. it doesn’t matter.
    This country runs on the three box rule.
    Box 1; The soap box. Ammendment the First United States Constition!
    Box 2; The Ballot Box The right of the People to hire and fire these thieving, dirty, perverted$%^&$%^$^%&$%’s Article 1 Section 2 United States Constitution!
    Box 3; The Cartridge Box Amendment the Second United States Constitution
    If you have to reach for that last one, it damn well better be full,’cause the first two don’t work without it!

  11. Jeff Matthews June 15, 2009 at 9:46 pm #

    Speaking of governing the states, very interesting questions come up when you start trying to balance sovereignty with the equal protection, privileges and immunities and comity clauses.

    As much progress as has been had under the first two clauses, I must wonder if potentially these clauses might be construed to be as pliable in favor of the federal government as the interstate commerce clause.

    Much consideration should be given to the construction of these clauses in this regard.

  12. Leif Rakur June 15, 2009 at 10:37 pm #

    Is packing heat really a fundamental right capable of being “incorporated” through the 14th Amendment against the states?

    “Federal Farmer,” a popular commentator on the newly written Constitution in 1787, apparently didn’t consider a personal gun right to be fundamental in the United States. But he did include, in his list of fundamental rights (in Federal Farmer 6), the existence of an always-armed and disciplined militia.

    On December 25, 1787, “Federal Farmer” (maybe Richard Henry Lee, maybe Melancton Smith) listed 14 “unalienable or fundamental rights in the United States.” Below are some Federal Farmer rights that, in some form, made their way into the Bill of Rights – one of them as the Second Amendment’s militia right:

    The freedom of the press ought not to be restrained.

    The people have a right to assemble in an orderly manner, and petition the government for a redress of wrongs.

    The militia ought always to be armed and disciplined, and the usual defence of the country.

    No man is held to answer a crime charged upon him till it be substantially described to him; and he is subject to no unreasonable searches or seizures of his person, papers or effects.

    Federal Farmer includes other fundamental rights and says that perhaps more might be added, but he lists no personal gun right. This suggests the importance of the militia clause of the Second Amendment, something that would be very difficult to apply AGAINST the states.

  13. Terry Morris June 16, 2009 at 5:00 am #

    I make but a poor figure at writing book reviews, so I won’t even attempt it here. But if this subject of the fourteenth amendment, the incorporation doctrine, and the way it has been abused by the federal courts intrigues you, I highly recommend Raoul Berger’s book mentioned in the article.

  14. JMB June 16, 2009 at 9:14 am #

    I hope my words following Trouble’s curious thought, were not taken by anyone, as if they were in any way an attempt to downplay the important nature of his question.

    I certainly should have done better in expressing myself, on that one, sorry.

    Nothing!, and I mean this emphatically, can replace personal research. That being said.
    My own research indicates, that this statement by Michael Boldin, is as accurate as they come.

    “There was nothing in the ratification of the Constitution, as least nothing that I’m familiar with, that took the position that states were governed by the rules that apply to the feds.”

  15. JMB June 16, 2009 at 9:32 am #

    Damn right Jeff, I have read through many an article, and hundreds of comments regarding the 2nd amendment, and the 14th amendment, on http://volokh.com/ Great site with many points of view available, not to mention all the time that I have spent reading directly from those scapegoat masters of overly opinionated Review, who have proven that they can at will misconstrue every, and all the declaratory and restrictive clauses that you, or I have ever read in our United States Constitution, and then of course, we must not forget the ones that they have personally constructed, for themselves.

    And just in case I forgot to mention it, these diabolical Judges do intend to continue, to put the kibosh on everything, ever thought, sustainable. In my opinion, your precautions are quite notable.

    Good comment by the way, Monorprise

    Hey badboybiggun, you sound like one of those good old fashion anarchists, maybe you wouldn’t mind taking on point, just in case. Lol

  16. JMB June 16, 2009 at 9:51 am #

    Damn right Jeff,
    Those scapegoat masters of Review, have proven many times that they can, and will continue to misconstrue every declaratory and restrictive clause that is in our United States Constitution.

    So, in my opinion, your precautions are quite notable.

    Good comment by the way, Monorprise

    Hey badboybiggun, you sound like one of those good old fashion anarchists, maybe you wouldn’t mind taking on point, just in case. Lol

  17. Bill Kaline June 17, 2009 at 9:16 am #

    Where in the Constitution has the court been granted the enumerated power to create the “Incorporation Doctrine’ where they gave themselves the power to decide which amendments apply to the states or not? Either the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, or it is not. It cannot be so one time and not another, as the court sees fit. The Tenth Amendment limits the powers granted to both state and federal governments, but the People, who created the government, have reserved Rights, not mere privileges granted by government.

    It is absurd to believe that all Rights can be regulated. A regulated Right becomes a privilege. We’ve all been brain washed into believing government knows what is best for the people, and government only should decide which Right we should be allowed to exercise or not, and, under what conditions. It all comes down to status. Are you an original Citizen as mentioned in the Constitution, with protected Rights, or, are you merely a 14th Amendment US citizen with few constitutional rights? (see: Twining v. New Jersey)

    The 2nd Amendment is very plainly written, but “great minds” always try to find ways to limit the right of self defense and the ability to defend against tyranny. That which is understood needs no interpretation. Where does the court get the idea it can dictate our Rights by interpreting the Founders words? Does the term “social engineering” sound familiar?

    We need to return to the basic fundamental rules that made American Law, and this time make it capital treason to subvert personal freedoms. We talk too much, and act too little.

  18. Trouble June 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm #

    JMB- You did ok. I don’t think there was much to misunderstand at all.

    On the one hand, the State’s not being bound by the same laws is somewhat disturbing. On the other, the States are always closer to home and far smaller so they are not as hard to hold to Liberty.

    A good number of State Constitutions reiterate the Bill of Rights in some form or fashion. The Second is upheld in the Missouri State Constitution quite neatly. Though, amusingly enough, concealed carry was banned by it originally and an amendment was passed just a few years ago to allow it.

    “We need to return to the basic fundamental rules that made American Law, and this time make it capital treason to subvert personal freedoms. We talk too much, and act too little.”

    I like that line, but it may be quite difficult to implement. Still, as has been said before, nothing good is ever easy.

  19. larry June 18, 2009 at 4:55 am #

    I may be commenting without fully understanding what I read so bare with me,..Even though Hamilton obviously lost this debate, I think because the 2nd amendment was ratified, it should have been left to stand alone in it’s literal sense without exception. I think where it failed to be defended was through the interstate commerce act. We allowed exceptions while granting the feds power to regulate commerce. sort of like saying ” well, we will allow government to regulate goods between states, so hey, we can revisit the 2nd amendment and apply regulation to that as well because the interstate commerce act trumps the 2nd amendment”.. But Like I said, I may be interpreting this thing different.

    And in that sense ( or my warped way of thinking,) Pandora’s box was open to yet revisited it again through Heller vs DC. to again find a way to twist it from it’s intended purpose.

    Amendments should be left to stand alone, exceptions in law need to be made that excludes changing their intent. Lawmakers are over defining the intended purpose of_____ Amendments ( fill in the blank ) and because of this, they have to be yet again revisited and redefined by the opposition to defend them. Once it starts, it shoots holes in the whole damn thing. so yes, Heller vs DC is, on one hand expansion of federal power, but on the other hand, it is needed to check the previous over reach.

    What a mess we have made of this seemingly simple concept of liberty and freedom

  20. JMB June 18, 2009 at 9:00 am #

    Thanks Trouble, that means a lot.

    Maintaining our representative republic, is the only way we will ever hope to restrain this federal, from its tyranny.

  21. JMB June 18, 2009 at 2:04 pm #

    I think both Bill, and larry have important comments which should not be neglect.

    When usurpers have an open invite, many will come to dinner.

  22. Kit Maira July 13, 2009 at 10:11 pm #

    Those who wave copies of the Constitution around as symbols of their liberty, remind me of dogs who have learned to carry their leashes in their mouths. —Butler Shaffer

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer17.html

  23. Kit Maira July 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm #

    Those who wave copies of the Constitution around as symbols of their liberty, remind me of dogs who have learned to carry their leashes in their mouths. —Butler Shaffer

  24. Monorprise March 5, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    I have said before incorporating the 2nd amendment against the States is a Pyrrhic victory for gun rights, as it merely opens the door for them "exceptions" to be applied against the States to disarm them.

    In case you don't believe that will happen, your too late as it's already begun as this case demonstrates.
    A Tennessee Guardsman being denied the right to keep military grade weapons for this Tennessee forces.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/co

    The 2nd amendment is a dead letter for ALL practical proposes now. If even the States cannot keep military grade arms capable of standing up to the Federal military forces, there can be no way for us to maintain the security of a free state.

    Statist know this and many other things which is why many of them have joined the NRA in this fools errand:
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/234185

    Yes the right to keep and bear arms is a right, but its a right the people of many states have ceded to their state in part in the name of security. it says so in their State Constitution. No American has ceded this right to the Federal government of the United States.

  25. Monorprise March 5, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    I have said before incorporating the 2nd amendment against the States is a Pyrrhic victory for gun rights, as it merely opens the door for them "exceptions" to be applied against the States to disarm them.

    In case you don't believe that will happen, your too late as it's already begun as this case demonstrates.
    A Tennessee Guardsman being denied the right to keep military grade weapons for this Tennessee forces.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/co

    The 2nd amendment is a dead letter for ALL practical proposes now. If even the States cannot keep military grade arms capable of standing up to the Federal military forces, there can be no way for us to maintain the security of a free state.

    Statist know this and many other things which is why many of them have joined the NRA in this fools errand:
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/234185

    Yes the right to keep and bear arms is a right, but its a right the people of many states have ceded to their state in part in the name of security. it says so in their State Constitution. No American has ceded this right to the Federal government of the United States.

  26. K.E.H. July 31, 2011 at 12:33 am #

    i may be wrong but i thought that the states could only make laws stronger or equal to the standard,that is our constitution.so in fact when dealing with the second amendment,the standard is the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.so how can states constitutions be stronger, by having restrictive gun laws as in states such as california or new york.in california there is no provision such as the second amendment in our constitution.which would seem to me to be weakening of our federal rights right off the bat the only true way that the states could be strengthening our second amendment protection or gun laws is to say that,the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not for any reason ever be infringed.in saying this,i thought that the states only have the right to enact laws that do not fall below the standard of constitutional law.just a different way of looking at it.am i wrong?

  27. Ian_Laskiill October 12, 2011 at 9:34 pm #

    K.E.H.
    Agreed. Would we tolerate state laws that make it legal in that state to detain a man without trial for example?