Comments on: Moving Towards Tobacco Prohibition http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/ Concordia res Parvae Crescunt Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:41:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jerome http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-278981 Jerome Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:57:17 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-278981 Smoking cigarettes isn't the smartest habit but it shouldn't be illegal. Smoking cigarettes isn’t the smartest habit but it shouldn’t be illegal.

]]> By: djarum dave http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-272055 djarum dave Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:09:15 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-272055 Have I lost my constitutional rights as an american? I can't smoke my favorite brand of cigarettes any longer? Did I lose the freedom of choice somewhere? Why aren't all cigarettes sold in cartons instead of packs? That would help. Why can't there be a registrar for adults who have the freedom to smoke cloves so they can legally get their poison via mail order with out having to become illegal cigarette importers. Today I am a respectable businessman but on september 1st I'll become a criminal that illegally imports cloves. I will quit when I want to, not when you want me to. What about the indo-americans unable to embrace their culture here in america the home of the free. I didn't see obama sign a bill that banned his favorite brand of cigarettes. He doesn't care. The new bill doesn't affect his lifestyle and make it inconvenient or illegal to smoke his favorite brand. Only mine and the people like me. Americans who thought they had the freedom of choice. Why not let clove smokers register and mail order their poison or just sell all cigarettes by the carton. This is a violation of constitutional rights. If you ban my cloves then ban obama's menthols. They are way more attractive to kids since everyone wants to be a rapper. My best friend from indonesia.. You just took a huge part of his culture away and now he will be a criminal who has them shipped from his family. Just today we were honest business men and now we count the days until we are criminal clove importers. Now that obama banned my cloves and I have to order them like a criminal, I wonder if he would sign a ban that included his cigarettes now that I am scrambling to get a bunch of djarums shipped before september 1st and find a resource to get them after the ban. These cigarettes are $8 a pack and $70 a carton. Why don't we sell flavored (or all cigarettes) in cartons? Then only smokers who are dedicated can buy them, children and the poor people who can afford a single packs but not health care will have to quit. I thought I lived in america, a free country. Where as an adult I have the privilege to make a decision if I want flavored tobacco or flavored liquor. Flavored liquor is way more desirable to teenagers than flavored cigarettes. Flavored cigarettes are not affordable but any kid can get flavored liquor for a few dollars. We already have a law that prevents minors from smoking, it is really the obligation of the parent. Not the government. Surely we wouldn't ban menthol or whatever brand Obama smokes anytime soon. These cigarettes I have been legally smoking since college are now illegal. I may as well smoke pot, they'll legalize that and tax it but won't let me enjoy a clove with my coffee. These guys get $210 a month from me for a pack of djarums a day and $2500 a year. Kids can't afford that. Middle class men and women can barely swing that. Especially these day, kids don't really smoke like they used to. People look at you like you have a disease when you smoke. Kids and the poor are going to smoke whatever they can afford. Most kids start on the brands there family and friends smoke (marlboro,camel,newports) menthols being especially popular with kids during the rise of hip-hop/pop culture. They are easier to smoke. A lot of people won't even smoke cloves because they are harsh and heavy. I gave my cousin who has been smoking reds for 30 years a clove yesterday and he almost choked to death. Way to much for the average smoker. These clove cigarettes are more cigarish and elitist with their high prices and taxes. Which is weird why in a recession that we take items off the shelf that provide such high tax revenues. Cloves and even other flavored cigarettes are smoked by the college type, the intellectual, coffee shop goers, musicians, goths, eccentrics and other Berkeley types. These enjoyable smokes help me relax, review and reassess while I enjoy a cup of coffee. My friend likes them once or twice a month when drinking. My friend from indonesia smokes them daily like I do except the difference between me and him is you are depriving this man of his cultural right when america is suppose to embrace the ideas of different ethnic groups. We let the jewish go to temple, we let the middle eastern folk go to mosque and put curry on everything, the russian's get their vodka and the asians get their rice, rotten eggs and dog. My friend can't ever again smell the clove scent of his country, he and I went from being successful businessmen to having to become illegal clove importers just to enjoy our lifestyles. Just for my friend to enjoy is culture and feel at home with how he was raised. Almost all clove cigarettes come from indonesia and so it really disrupts their market regardless of what the upper brass thinks. This is protectionism. This is a violation of my amendments and rights. This law gives the fda way too much control and makes us a big brother country where the government raises the children since we allow the parents to be incompetent. I am an american who has been stripped of constitutional rights. I will do what I want, this will not stop me from getting my cloves nor will the lack of the 1% of cloves in the market will not curb kids from smoking. Most kids don't smoke these days. It's not cool to smoke you get treated like a leper. Like I said, sell cigarettes by the carton only and tax them to death. The real smokers will buy them. The drinking smokers will bum them and the kids and very low income will not be able to afford them. I mean what's next? Take away my flavored mouth wash? What about super sweet apricot beer that kids love. Kids die from alcohol, not cigarettes, more kids die from fraternity activities. Kids who smoke generally have family that smoke. No one wakes up and says I think it will be cool to pay for bad breath and cancer just to hold this cool stick. Leave us free adults alone. Regulate the parents and do not let the administration and the fda turn america in to a dictatorship and make us 1% of smokers live a harder life of luxury. To much control. I've always leaned more democrat but honestly these liberals need to leave me alone with their whole foods infested berkelyish veagan ideas that say I can't eat meat or ill die, or transfast because ill die or oxygen because ill die. Don't worry we will all die soon enough and if you don't let smokers and drinkers kill themselves then you have population control to deal with. Well let's just let the fda put mercury in our dental fillings, and hormones in our baby's milk and not let us smoke the brand of cigarettes we enjoy. Protectionism, loss of rights. Damn is the apocalypse comming? I hope indonesia sticks their foot sideways up the behind of the WTO and fight for my rights as an american before I have to move to a country that is a little less motherly. This is how I feel and most people agree. The new ban is stupid.-david Have I lost my constitutional rights as an american? I can’t smoke my favorite brand of cigarettes any longer? Did I lose the freedom of choice somewhere? Why aren’t all cigarettes sold in cartons instead of packs? That would help. Why can’t there be a registrar for adults who have the freedom to smoke cloves so they can legally get their poison via mail order with out having to become illegal cigarette importers. Today I am a respectable businessman but on september 1st I’ll become a criminal that illegally imports cloves. I will quit when I want to, not when you want me to. What about the indo-americans unable to embrace their culture here in america the home of the free. I didn’t see obama sign a bill that banned his favorite brand of cigarettes. He doesn’t care. The new bill doesn’t affect his lifestyle and make it inconvenient or illegal to smoke his favorite brand. Only mine and the people like me. Americans who thought they had the freedom of choice. Why not let clove smokers register and mail order their poison or just sell all cigarettes by the carton. This is a violation of constitutional rights. If you ban my cloves then ban obama’s menthols. They are way more attractive to kids since everyone wants to be a rapper. My best friend from indonesia.. You just took a huge part of his culture away and now he will be a criminal who has them shipped from his family. Just today we were honest business men and now we count the days until we are criminal clove importers. Now that obama banned my cloves and I have to order them like a criminal, I wonder if he would sign a ban that included his cigarettes now that I am scrambling to get a bunch of djarums shipped before september 1st and find a resource to get them after the ban. These cigarettes are $8 a pack and $70 a carton. Why don’t we sell flavored (or all cigarettes) in cartons? Then only smokers who are dedicated can buy them, children and the poor people who can afford a single packs but not health care will have to quit. I thought I lived in america, a free country. Where as an adult I have the privilege to make a decision if I want flavored tobacco or flavored liquor. Flavored liquor is way more desirable to teenagers than flavored cigarettes. Flavored cigarettes are not affordable but any kid can get flavored liquor for a few dollars. We already have a law that prevents minors from smoking, it is really the obligation of the parent. Not the government. Surely we wouldn’t ban menthol or whatever brand Obama smokes anytime soon. These cigarettes I have been legally smoking since college are now illegal. I may as well smoke pot, they’ll legalize that and tax it but won’t let me enjoy a clove with my coffee. These guys get $210 a month from me for a pack of djarums a day and $2500 a year. Kids can’t afford that. Middle class men and women can barely swing that. Especially these day, kids don’t really smoke like they used to. People look at you like you have a disease when you smoke. Kids and the poor are going to smoke whatever they can afford. Most kids start on the brands there family and friends smoke (marlboro,camel,newports) menthols being especially popular with kids during the rise of hip-hop/pop culture. They are easier to smoke. A lot of people won’t even smoke cloves because they are harsh and heavy. I gave my cousin who has been smoking reds for 30 years a clove yesterday and he almost choked to death. Way to much for the average smoker. These clove cigarettes are more cigarish and elitist with their high prices and taxes. Which is weird why in a recession that we take items off the shelf that provide such high tax revenues. Cloves and even other flavored cigarettes are smoked by the college type, the intellectual, coffee shop goers, musicians, goths, eccentrics and other Berkeley types. These enjoyable smokes help me relax, review and reassess while I enjoy a cup of coffee. My friend likes them once or twice a month when drinking. My friend from indonesia smokes them daily like I do except the difference between me and him is you are depriving this man of his cultural right when america is suppose to embrace the ideas of different ethnic groups. We let the jewish go to temple, we let the middle eastern folk go to mosque and put curry on everything, the russian’s get their vodka and the asians get their rice, rotten eggs and dog. My friend can’t ever again smell the clove scent of his country, he and I went from being successful businessmen to having to become illegal clove importers just to enjoy our lifestyles. Just for my friend to enjoy is culture and feel at home with how he was raised. Almost all clove cigarettes come from indonesia and so it really disrupts their market regardless of what the upper brass thinks. This is protectionism. This is a violation of my amendments and rights. This law gives the fda way too much control and makes us a big brother country where the government raises the children since we allow the parents to be incompetent. I am an american who has been stripped of constitutional rights. I will do what I want, this will not stop me from getting my cloves nor will the lack of the 1% of cloves in the market will not curb kids from smoking. Most kids don’t smoke these days. It’s not cool to smoke you get treated like a leper. Like I said, sell cigarettes by the carton only and tax them to death. The real smokers will buy them. The drinking smokers will bum them and the kids and very low income will not be able to afford them. I mean what’s next? Take away my flavored mouth wash? What about super sweet apricot beer that kids love. Kids die from alcohol, not cigarettes, more kids die from fraternity activities. Kids who smoke generally have family that smoke. No one wakes up and says I think it will be cool to pay for bad breath and cancer just to hold this cool stick. Leave us free adults alone. Regulate the parents and do not let the administration and the fda turn america in to a dictatorship and make us 1% of smokers live a harder life of luxury. To much control. I’ve always leaned more democrat but honestly these liberals need to leave me alone with their whole foods infested berkelyish veagan ideas that say I can’t eat meat or ill die, or transfast because ill die or oxygen because ill die. Don’t worry we will all die soon enough and if you don’t let smokers and drinkers kill themselves then you have population control to deal with. Well let’s just let the fda put mercury in our dental fillings, and hormones in our baby’s milk and not let us smoke the brand of cigarettes we enjoy. Protectionism, loss of rights. Damn is the apocalypse comming? I hope indonesia sticks their foot sideways up the behind of the WTO and fight for my rights as an american before I have to move to a country that is a little less motherly. This is how I feel and most people agree. The new ban is stupid.-david

]]> By: Terry Morris http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-259613 Terry Morris Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:08:49 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-259613 Hmm. "Freedom" via "Prohibition," seems kinda like a contradiction in terms. But hey!, I'm just a dumb*ss average guy. What the hell do I know? Hmm. "Freedom" via "Prohibition," seems kinda like a contradiction in terms. But hey!, I'm just a dumb*ss average guy. What the hell do I know?

]]> By: smokelover http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-259597 smokelover Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:20:36 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-259597 Ecigs are the way to go if you really want to stop smoking or if you want a healthy alternative to smoking. Ecigs are the way to go if you really want to stop smoking or if you want a healthy alternative to smoking.

]]> By: MichaelBoldin http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258177 MichaelBoldin Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:17:57 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258177 I can breath just fine, Frank. And I don't care what you smoke or drink, or think...especially on your property. I can breath just fine, Frank. And I don't care what you smoke or drink, or think…especially on your property.

]]> By: Frank http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258163 Frank Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:18:20 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258163 Freedom for the people is only possible with total tobacco-prohibition!!! The smokers-tyranny is at least as terrible as government-tyranny. Join our website for resisting the smokers-tyranny: <a href="http://www.passivesmoking.org." target="_blank">www.passivesmoking.org.</a> "Because being free means being able to breathe freely and a state that does not allow its citizens to breathe freely makes its own citizens guilty of the worst violation of freedoom!" 
(ADOLF WISCHNATH, former lawyer in Bielefeld and associate lecturer at the FACHHOCHSCHULE DORTMUND [DORTMUND COLLEGE]) Freedom for the people is only possible with total tobacco-prohibition!!! The smokers-tyranny is at least as terrible as government-tyranny. Join our website for resisting the smokers-tyranny: http://www.passivesmoking.org.

"Because being free means being able to breathe freely and a state that does not allow its citizens to breathe freely makes its own citizens guilty of the worst violation of freedoom!" 
(ADOLF WISCHNATH, former lawyer in Bielefeld and associate lecturer at the FACHHOCHSCHULE DORTMUND [DORTMUND COLLEGE])

]]> By: MichaelBoldin http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258127 MichaelBoldin Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:30:56 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258127 Angelia - you make a really important distinction. It's the rights of the people! So many call this a 'states rights' movement. But states can't have rights, only people have rights. States only have powers, and they only have the powers that we the people delegate to them. It's time we get that principle back into reality. Angelia – you make a really important distinction. It's the rights of the people! So many call this a 'states rights' movement. But states can't have rights, only people have rights.

States only have powers, and they only have the powers that we the people delegate to them. It's time we get that principle back into reality.

]]> By: Angelia http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258121 Angelia Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:05:44 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258121 Its MY MONEY, I PAY FOR MY Cigarettes, I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE, I Pay for whatever I need. The FEDS are not paying for anything for me. I would rather pay for my cigarettes than to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS, the people who sit on their asses and don't wrk but get paid anyway, and the kids they keep having,The Health Care for them, etc. I AM SICK OF BIG GOVERNMENT, Including OBAMA. I think its time for States to take back OUR RIGHTS, THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE~ITS TIME. Its MY MONEY, I PAY FOR MY Cigarettes, I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE, I Pay for whatever I need. The FEDS are not paying for anything for me. I would rather pay for my cigarettes than to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS, the people who sit on their asses and don't wrk but get paid anyway, and the kids they keep having,The Health Care for them, etc. I AM SICK OF BIG GOVERNMENT, Including OBAMA. I think its time for States to take back OUR RIGHTS, THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE~ITS TIME.

]]> By: Michael Boldin http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258095 Michael Boldin Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:41:44 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258095 The reason, Larry, that there are so many special interests in D.C. goes even further back than what you're talking about. It's not about allowing or disallowing access. Special interests will always exist and will always have influence as long as there's a massive amount of power in government. If government were limited to its constitutional functions, the lobbyists wouldn't have any reason to be there....they'd have to lobby somewhere else, like state governments, or you personally....that would surely diminish any effect that they could have. Power is the problem. The reason, Larry, that there are so many special interests in D.C. goes even further back than what you’re talking about. It’s not about allowing or disallowing access. Special interests will always exist and will always have influence as long as there’s a massive amount of power in government.

If government were limited to its constitutional functions, the lobbyists wouldn’t have any reason to be there….they’d have to lobby somewhere else, like state governments, or you personally….that would surely diminish any effect that they could have.

Power is the problem.

]]> By: larry http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/06/15/moving-towards-tobacco-prohibition/comment-page-1/#comment-258084 larry Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:50:48 +0000 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/?p=2158#comment-258084 Government primes the pump first, by allowing lobbyists access to lawmakers. for years the health risks were pointed out. What should have been taken up on a state by state basis, was pushed onto the federal radar by people like the American Lung association. they of coarse get funded with federal money. if there is a special interest for a certain cause it will eventually be regulated. Government primes the pump first, by allowing lobbyists access to lawmakers. for years the health risks were pointed out. What should have been taken up on a state by state basis, was pushed onto the federal radar by people like the American Lung association. they of coarse get funded with federal money. if there is a special interest for a certain cause it will eventually be regulated.

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